Turkish Navy to be in strongest position with major Projects

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Okay, we got you.
Since...25 kilometers is enough for you, it is enough for me, after all, the original design was and is, for 16 missiles with a range of more than 100 km, you fell to....25 km.

1-- Your 100-120 km ASTER-30 can engage on anti-ship missile in sea skimming mode from 25 km .... nothing more

because the Ship based Radar horizon for a Frigate is 25-30 km against low flying anti-ship missiles


2 -- Your 100-120 km ASTER-30 can not engage on Turkish F-16 , HURJET , AKINCI , KIZILELMA , TISU armed with 150-180-280 km Missiles


3 -- MIDLAS VLS with quadpack capability
so we do whatever we want

-- 64 x HISAR-D
-- 64 x HISAR-D + ESSM combined
-- 32 x HISAR-D and 8 x SIPER ( 100+ km ) .. total of 40 SAMs


4-- FDI Frigate armed with 8 x EXOCET anti-ship Missiles
ISTIF Frigate armed with 16 x ATMACA anti-ship Missiles

 

[Akritas]

1-- Your 100-120 km ASTER-30 can angage on anti-ship missile in sea skimming mode from 25 km .... nothing more

because the Ship based Radar horizon for a Frigate is 25-30 km against low flying anti-ship missiles


2 -- Your 100-120 km ASTER-30 can not engage on Turkish F-16 , HURJET , AKINCI , KIZILELMA , TISU armed with 150-180-280 km Missiles

The FDI frigates will have a new ASTER-30, the B1NT, with main features the use of a new missile control computer, a new seeker with higher angular resolution, Ka frequency band (26.5-40 GHz), which provides a longer target acquisition range, upgrades resistance to ECMs and increases hit-to-kill probability.
The fact that your country is eager to buy this particular missile should make you think about its capabilities.

 

[Akritas]

3 -- MIDLAS VLS with quadpack capability
so we do whatever we want

-- 64 x HISAR-D
-- 64 x HISAR-D + ESSM combined
-- 32 x HISAR-D and 8 x SIPER ( 100+ km ) .. total of 40 SAMs

When a ship in its original design, had 16 Siper-type missiles, and finally falls to small Hisar-type missiles, it means that there is a construction and acquisition issue. You measure SAM's like the... Russians. We measure them as in the West, that is, each SAM will find its target, as far as possible from a longer and safer range, that is, quality superiority.

 

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The fact that your country is eager to buy this particular missile should make you think about its capabilities.

Turkiye has already developed SIPER Block 1Missile ( 100+ km ) with same capability-technology with ASTER-30 to intercept Fighter Jets

and SIPER has hit-to-kill capability too ...

SIPER- Block-2 will have range of 150 km in 2024



in 2018 Turkiye signed agreement with EUROSAM to develop a new Missile to intercept Ballistic Missiles up to 3.000 km

in 2020 MACRON blocked this agreement after Turkish military operation against PKK/YPG terrorists in Syria


ASELSAN,ROKETSAN and TUBITAK-SAGE says Turkiye will have its own Defense Systems to intercept Ballistic Missiles in 2027

 

[Akritas]

4-- FDI Frigate armed with 8 x EXOCET anti-ship Missiles
ISTIF Frigate armed with 16 x ATMACA anti-ship Missiles

The 16 missiles thing, on a 3000 ton ship, is....too much.

 

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When a ship in its original design, had 16 Siper-type missiles, and finally falls to small Hisar-type missiles,

Who said that its original design, had 16 Siper-type missiles ?
stop making fake story


ISTIF class Frigate designed for 16 cells VLS with quadpack capability ( MK-41 VLS and ESSM Missiles )

Turkiye has developed its own MIDLAS VLS
We do whatever we want

-- 64 x HISAR-D
-- 64 x HISAR-D + ESSM combined
-- 32 x HISAR-D and 8 x SIPER ( 100+ km ) .. total of 40 SAMs

We are not stupid to arm ISTIF Frigate with 16 x SIPER


4 modernized MEKO-200 Frigates also armed with 64 x SAMs ( ESSM+HISAR-D )


TF-2000 is Air Warfare Destroyer designed with 64 cells VLS to carry

-- 32 x SIPER Block-2 ( 150 km ) SAM
-- 64 x HISAR-D SAM
-- 16 x GEZGIN strategic Cruise Missiles

and 16 x ATMACA anti-ship Missiles

 

[Danjuma Musa]

Hahahahaha Turkish military industry = 1 Israeli company - 600 million dollars

You are just an idiot. I wonder why he replies to you.
Solve your Hezbollah problem before bragging here.

 

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The 16 missiles thing, on a 3000 ton ship, is....too much.

4 modernized MEKO-200 Frigates also armed with 16 x anti-ship missiles
and 64 x SAMs ( ESSM+HISAR-D )

btw new British Type-26 Frigate armed with 48 SAMs ( 25 km CAMM -- 45 km CAMM-ER )

 

[Danjuma Musa]

Israel has no relations with Saudi Arabia

You don't have to sell or gift the Saudis your weapon. America deployed THAAD in Saudi Arabia without selling them the system. You can deploy your super weapons to be manned by U.S. personnel.

Israel isn't going to simply invade, it needs a reason to do so

What a laugh. What other reasons would be more serious than over a 100 thousand rockets and missiles pointed at Israel by Hezbollah? Why are you bombing Syria then? You don't seem to even understand how the U.S. is trying to deal with this threat on behalf of Israel. America is trying to isolate Hezbollah from Iran by cutting off their resuply routes through Syria before giving Israel the greenlight to start trouble with Hezbollah and U.S. bombers will come in.

There is no rush.

More than 100 thousand rockets, missiles, and bombs in Hezbollah's possession but there's no rush. Israel can wait until Hezbollah has like 300k explossives before it should invade.

Also, Israel is waiting for the Iron Beam to enter service, then Hezbollah rockets would become useless metal.

I can only laugh. You must be assuming Hezbollah won't attack first.

In Summary:

You've posted so much content without saying anything. The Israeli weapons systems that other countries bought hasn't seen any major wars (I dare you to prove me wrong). This makes their capability purely theoretical. If they are soooo good, let those weapons destroy Hezbollah first. Hezbollah is a militia without an air-force, naval force, or even a professional land army.

If Turkey can deal with a PKK backed by America, Europe, Israel, Russia, and the GCC, do you think Hezbollah will get away threatening Turkey the way it does with Israel? America had to physically deploy its military and equipment to protect the PKK from Turkey, yet Turkey conducted several military operations that seriously damaged U.S. designs in Syria and the region. Why won't Israel do the same with Hezbollah that is not protected by any serious Iranian military deployment? And Iran is neither a world power nor nuclear power. Israel is a nuclear power whose security is guaranteed by a world power. Your cowardice and lack of confidence is quite clear to anyone who analyzes the situation critically. You are just another regime of bluster and hot air and I'm SURE you can't win any war with Hezbollah or Iran without U.S. help.

Israel waiting for some theoretical system to negate Hezbollah's missiles and rockets before it fights. What a flimsy excuse for not dealing with an existantial threat. Hezbollah is actually getting stronger, says your defense experts. Its missiles, rockets, etc are getting more lethal every year.

Only the U.S. not IDF can save Israel from Hezbollah.

 

[Danjuma Musa]

If you really live in Nigeria,I don't blame you for not knowing the full story. It's not USA that's been trying to start a war between Grece and Turkey. It's Erdogan and his government. Even if the majority of the Turkish people don't want a war.

I arrived at this conclusion based on analysis. Erdogan would be a fool to start any war with Greece at this moment. It is 100% against Turkey's interest whichever angle you look at it. Greece isn't important to the Muslim world, except that it can be used to distract the one country that can destroy the petrodollar world order by toppling these four regimes: Egypt, Saudi, U.A.E., and Bahrain. Bring these regimes down and you've destroyed America's financial and sanctions power (I dare you to challenge me to prove this).

America has only three ways to handle this threat from Turkey:
1. Make peace with Turkey, stop PKK support, remove sanctions, stop Islamophobia, and most importantly, stop destroying Muslim countries.
2. Invade Turkey (there'll be a prohibitive cost in U.S. lives and it won't guarantee the survival of these four regimes).
3. Forment a Grecco-Turkish war to distract and weaken the Turkish military and economy. This will save the four regimes I mentioned earlier.

The Greek problem can be taken care of later. And it's way easier than liberating Muslim lands under neocolonial occupation. When Sisi's regime falls, the chaos will spill into Saudi Arabia. From Saudi Arabia, it enters Bahrain and the U.A.E. That ends it. And the one place to trigger this chain of events is Libya. Whether Sisi invades Libya or not, he is doomed. A stable democracy in Libya means the MB can and will forment another Egyptian uprising to topple Sisi. It'll be easy to do this from Libya. Yet, if Sisi invades as he threatened, he will not win the war and the Egyptian revolution will come even sooner. This is what Sisi himself was quoted as saying:

“If we give arms and support to the Libyan National Army, it can do the job much better than anyone else, better than any external intervention that would risk putting us in a situation that could get out of hand and provoke uncontrollable developments,”

Thankfully, Erdogan isn't taking the bait of starting this war with Greece. It is the Greek that will have to fire the first shot, and the U.S. will push Greece to do this if that is what it takes to provoke the war. The Greek leadership knows this, and it seems willing to use Greece as the sacrificial lamb for saving the petrodollar world order and Western domination of the Middle East.

 

[Danjuma Musa]

Greece's EEZ is according to UNCLOS. Basically,it's the Turkish side that claims more and is trying to start a war. If anything,the Americans have been telling both countries to find a peaceful solution. The problem is that Turkey doesn't recognize the Law of the Sea and doesn't want to find a real solution.

Have you ever wondered why the tension is rising at this point in time?
Today, America only fights proxy wars. It fought proxy wars against Gaddafi, Assad, Yemen, and Russia. It's doing the same with China and Taiwan. It's trying to goad Iran into invading parts of Iraq. It suckered Putin into Ukraine. It wants to sucker Turkey into a Grecco-Turkish war. This is how the U.S. weakens or destroys its enemies without firing a single shot. It's a cheaper way to fight.

In the case of Turkey and Iran, it hasn't succeeded yet. And Insha Allah, it's petrodollar neocolonial puppets will fall first before a Grecco-Turkish war, unless the Greeks go so far as initiating hostilities.

After the Turkish election, a lot of things will happen in Libya. The more pressure to start a Grecco-Turkish war, the likelier the resumption of Libya's civil war. The one place Turkey can really hurt America is to topple the Sisi regime, or, to be frank with you, militarily support a revolution from Egypt to Saudi, U.A.E. and finally Bahrain. If this happens, then the era of dollar for oil has come to an end. Because;
Iran, Russia, Saudi, U.A.E., Bahrain, Qatar, will ALL ditch the dollar. In fact, they'll accept all other currencies but the dollar.

Why would they replace them? Americans have enough good weapons of their own. And Americans have always had a patriotic pride when it came to weapons. The FN FAL was a great rifle,they didn't adopt it. The Leopard 2 was found to be better than the Abrams prototype,they didn't adopt it. All these NATO contests and they always preferred their products.

I meant the weapons that failed to protect Saudi Arabia's oil fields in September 2019.

 

[Akritas]

ISTIF Frigate ( 64 x SAMs and 16 x anti-ship missiles )

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4 modernized MEKO-200 Frigates also armed with 16 x anti-ship missiles
and 64 x SAMs ( ESSM+HISAR-D )

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btw new British Type-26 Frigate armed with 48 SAMs ( 25 km CAMM -- 45 km CAMM-ER )

TIF 2000 wiil have 8500 tonnes displament
MEKO 200 has 3400 tonnes displament

Since you mention the Type 26, e.g the City Class will have 8000 tonnes full displament(11000 tones load).........the Hunter Class will have 11000 tonnes full displament....and the Canadian will have 9400 tonnes!!!!

now if you think that you can overcome shipbuilding load physics with a 3000 ton ship, then you are ready to build a ship for the .....Challenger Deep point.!!!

 

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now if you think that you can overcome shipbuilding load physics with a 3000 ton ship, then you are ready to build a ship for the .....Challenger Deep point.!!!

3.000 tons Ship can carry 16 anti-ship missiles
its nothing to do with shipbuilding load physics

Egyptian MEKO-A200 Frigate armed with 16 x anti-ship Missiles

121 m and 3.900 tons

Its ISTIF class Frigate designed to carry 16 x anti-ship Missiles

113 m and 3.000 tons

 

[Foinikas]

I arrived at this conclusion based on analysis. Erdogan would be a fool to start any war with Greece at this moment. It is 100% against Turkey's interest whichever angle you look at it. Greece isn't important to the Muslim world, except that it can be used to distract the one country that can destroy the petrodollar world order by toppling these four regimes: Egypt, Saudi, U.A.E., and Bahrain. Bring these regimes down and you've destroyed America's financial and sanctions power (I dare you to challenge me to prove this).

Erdogan might want a small scale war or an incident,that will force the Greek government into accepting some or all of Turkey's demands. You are fixed on America,while the problem has nothing to do with the Americans.

The Greek problem can be taken care of later. And it's way easier than liberating Muslim lands under neocolonial occupation. When Sisi's regime falls, the chaos will spill into Saudi Arabia. From Saudi Arabia, it enters Bahrain and the U.A.E. That ends it. And the one place to trigger this chain of events is Libya. Whether Sisi invades Libya or not, he is doomed. A stable democracy in Libya means the MB can and will forment another Egyptian uprising to topple Sisi. It'll be easy to do this from Libya. Yet, if Sisi invades as he threatened, he will not win the war and the Egyptian revolution will come even sooner. This is what Sisi himself was quoted as saying:

What exactly is the "Greek problem" according to you? And what are you talking about "liberating Muslim lands under neocolonial occupation"? Are you some kind of pan-Islamist,who thinks that all Muslim countries should have a mullah regime or something?

1.Why would Sisi's "regime" fall?
2.What makes you think stable democracy in Libya equals MB rule?
3.How did you draw the conclusion that a potential Egyptian intervention in Libya will result in failure? The Egyptians might as well sweep everything and restore the House of Representatives as a unifying legal government in Libya.

Thankfully, Erdogan isn't taking the bait of starting this war with Greece. It is the Greek that will have to fire the first shot, and the U.S. will push Greece to do this if that is what it takes to provoke the war. The Greek leadership knows this, and it seems willing to use Greece as the sacrificial lamb for saving the petrodollar world order and Western domination of the Middle East.

What bait?! Erdogan's the one who is threatening with war every day! The Turkish government has been following a warmongering rhetoric for 4 years now. You are clueless of the events and think that USA is orchestrating things,by pushing Greece to provoke Turkey. Have you been reading TRT and/or other pro-AKP Turkish media?

Have you ever wondered why the tension is rising at this point in time?

The tension has always been there,but Erdogan took it to another level the last 5-6 years and especially since 2019.

You just didn't know if it.

I meant the weapons that failed to protect Saudi Arabia's oil fields in September 2019.

It wasn't the fault of American weapons,but other factors such as poor training and incompetence on behalf of the Saudi crews,their alert level,the attack direction of the UAVs etc.

 

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What bait?! Erdogan's the one who is threatening with war every day! The Turkish government has been following a warmongering rhetoric for 4 years now. You are clueless of the events and think that USA is orchestrating things,by pushing Greece to provoke Turkey. Have you been reading TRT and/or other pro-AKP Turkish media?

USA loves puppets like Ukraine to fight against Russia


USA-UK-France used Greece as a puppet against Turkiye 100 years ago

today same senario , USA-France use Greece as a puppet against Turkiye
Puppet is always puppet and always ready
even Israel is happy with Greece's puppet role



Turkiye blocked USA-France backed PKK/YPG corridor in Syria
Turkiye blocked USA-France backed HAFTAR in Libya

when Turkiye decided to destroy PKK/YPG in Syria in 2022
USA-France put Greece into play to block Turkish military operation in Syria


btw its nothing to do with Erdogan
Turkish Parliament decided CASUS BELLI ( War ) in 1995

if Greece try to increase its territorial water from 6 nm to 7-8-9-10-11-12 nm
then the war will begin