Turkish football fans loudly boo their pre-match minute’s silence for Paris victims

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[Economic superpower]

what a great advertisement for Islam, well done, Turkey.

also, although 99% of all the jihadis are sallafi/wahhabis, I think there might just be a wider problem within the sunni community, there is a significant percentage who are silent supporters, or as in the case of these stadium people, not so silent supporters of terrorism and jihad.

Sunni Islam needs major reform.

I too thought that it was a Wahabi/Salafi problem, but now I think it's a Sunni Islam problem.

Shia Islam seems to be a victim of Sunni extremism.

Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Qatar, Jordan, Kuwait are the problem.

 

[24 Hours]

We don't stand in silence we speak up for them.

And no one is moved by their words.

 

[-SINAN-]

I too thought that it was a Wahabi/Salafi problem, but now I think it's a Sunni Islam problem.

Shia Islam seems to be a victim of Sunni extremism.

Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Qatar, Jordan, Kuwait are the problem.

There are 1.6 Billion Muslims in the world. %85 of them are Sunni which accounts for 1.35 Billion. So, you think that 1.35 Billion people supports terrorism.

That should sound crazy even with your standards.

 

[Silverblaze]

First of all if you are referring to Syria? Than I must say that in Syria no one blows themselves up, their lies the mighty ISIS backed by the Westerns who infect blows innocent People in the name of Religion. We do not consider them Muslims as they are not. But if you are referring Pakistan in your statement, than I agree we had this problem in the past, but it has been revealed that who has been funding these terrorists?

Your opinion and not the facts. Most of the support of ISIS and so called moderate rebels comes from muslim countries. Muslim states have collaborated with the US time and again against their own people. For instance, kuwait even voted in favour of iraq invasion.

He was infect considered a Hero in US back in 80's when Muslim world never heard of him

For CIA he was, but not for the american people. OBL was considered a hero for many in largely muslim countries sadly. Have you forgotten how his funeral in absentia was performed in pakistan? and how now gen musharraf said that he was considered a hero.

The point is blaming the west while collaborating with it and blaming the west while keeping a blind eye towards growing internal extremism will change nothing.

muslim countries work against each other and seek help from the west, do little about internal extremism and even deny its existence. Iran vs KSA is a classic case.

Its becoming difficult to defend islam for many of us muslims as there is little realization in the islamic world to introspect.

 

[Assange]

What can you expect from a country like Turkey which is openly supporting ISIS by bombing Kurds...

I know Kurds and Turks have problems...

 

[-SINAN-]

What can you expect from a country like Turkey which is openly supporting ISIS by bombing Kurds...

I know Kurds and Turks have problems...

First of all, We are not conduct a war on Kurds but PKK.

First i need to educate you one factions.

PKK: A terrorist organization which is listed as a terrorist organization internationally by several states and organizations, including the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation (NATO) and the European Union.
YPG: Extension of PKK in Syria. Has links with PKK. You can liken it like Al-Qaeda <> Al-Nusra
KRG: Kurdish Regional Government in Iraq. Which has excellent ties with Turkey. Their units trained by Turkey and still being trained by Turkey in Erbil. Their commander "Kahraman Kemal" said that 7. Peshmerga battalion liberated Sinjar from Daesh thanks to the their urban warfare training which has been received from TUrkish officers in Erbil.
Peşmerge Komutanı General Kahraman: Sokak Savaşını Türklerden Öğrendik

Now as we finished factions, let's look at the time line.

At 22 July 2015 PKK cowardly killed 2 police officers while they were sleeping in their homes.
Turkey immediately bombed PKK positions in Northern Iraq.
Şanlıurfa'da 2 polis şehit - Milliyet.com.tr

At 23 July 2015 Daesh terrorists opened fire to the patrolling elements of the Turkish Armed Forces near the border at Gaziantep/Oğuzeli. Special Forces directed to the area all 5 ISIS terrorists whom ambushed our soldiers have been killed. ISIS tried to bring reinforcements, Turkish army destroyed them as well with Tanks, IFVs, and Artillery. At night recon showed that remaning ISIS terrorists were trying to fortify positions near the Turkish border. So, F-16s bombed them to smitherens.

Şanlıurfa'da 2 polis şehit - Milliyet.com.tr

 

[T-123456]

Turkey should stop supporting islamic terror and the brainwashed Turks should stop booing the moment of silence for the victims of the ISIS (supported by Turkey) terrorist attack on Paris.

Why are you so sympathetic to terrorists and their terrorist acts?

Brainwashed?
Look who's talking,are you even allowed to think?

 

[Joe Shearer]

Brainwashed?
Look who's talking,are you even allowed to think?

The issue is not brainwashing, it is support of terrorism.

 

[T-123456]

Nope, you didn't.

You never criticise terrorist acts, you always attack the people criticising terrorist acts. Its very clear you have sympathetic views towards terrorists.

What is your country doing in Tibet when we talk about terrorist acts?
Why is there a puppet ''Dalai Lama'' in Tibet?
As you can see,i left out the East Turkistan issue,just talking about Tibet.
Who is the terrorist?

The issue is not brainwashing, it is support of terrorism.

So,you also think we support terrorism?

 

[Winchester]

Football fans are generally very mean....

You saw this in the English game but it has changed over the last 10 years

One of the reasons is you now see more women/families in the crowd

That is not the case with Eastern Europe, Russia (with all the racist shouts) and looking at the picture there in Turkey.

 

[Joe Shearer]

What is your country doing in Tibet when we talk about terrorist acts?
Why is there a puppet ''Dalai Lama'' in Tibet?
As you can see,i left out the East Turkistan issue,just talking about Tibet.
Who is the terrorist?


So,you also think we support terrorism?

No, I think that you are not replying to the point.

 

[T-123456]

No, I think that you are not replying to the point.

Check again,there is no point,its always the same ''you support terrorism''.
What has that got to do with this thread tittled,
''Turkish football fans loudly boo their pre-match minute’s silence for Paris victims''

I replied to his post by asking a question,so what are you trying to say?
Is he on topic and im not?
Btw,dont you see what most Chinese trolls are doing here?
You will accept every accusation thrown at your country by the ''chosen ones'' on PDF?

 

[simple Brain]

Your opinion and not the facts. Most of the support of ISIS and so called moderate rebels comes from muslim countries. Muslim states have collaborated with the US time and again against their own people. For instance, kuwait even voted in favour of iraq invasion.

No that's not my opinion mate, who is supporting ISIS the most, you can find it easily now a days. You don't have to dig deeper for it, here is the link read it completely and than come back I am here to answer all your questions that comes in your mind. I am not denying that Saudi Arabia is not helping ISIS, indeed they are, just the way the helped US against Taliban in Afghanistan and against Saddam in Iraq. But, why is it that US is helping materially ISIS? Why is it that Israel is so interested in providing medical assistance to the ISIS fighters at the Golan heights? How come ISIS has so many brand new Toyota Trucks? and all the latest US weaponry?

The ISIS Islamic Terrorists are Supported by the US, Israel and Saudi Arabia | Global Research - Centre for Research on Globalization

And here is one more link that might help you in understanding the actual motives behind the attack in Paris. But you must think and act as a neutral.

Iran's Basij commander: U.S., Israeli 'investments' behind Paris attacks - World Tribune | World Tribune

For CIA he was, but not for the american people.

Yes, indeed for Americans as well. They supported their Government help for the Mujahideen's against Soviets and who was Mujahideen's leader at that time? Osama Bin laden. Read this one how it had happened.

USA prints textbooks to support Jihad in Afghanistan and Pakistan | Support Daniel Boyd's Blog

OBL was considered a hero for many in largely muslim countries sadly. Have you forgotten how his funeral in absentia was performed in pakistan? and how now gen musharraf said that he was considered a hero.

He was considered later own as a Hero in Muslim world because as the Muslim world saw him after 9/11 that he was alone standing against the tyranny of US against the Muslim world. He used to threaten US and its policies.

The point is blaming the west while collaborating with it and blaming the west while keeping a blind eye towards growing internal extremism will change nothing.

Who introduced Terrorism to the world for the first time? Your answer lies their.

muslim countries work against each other and seek help from the west, do little about internal extremism and even deny its existence. Iran vs KSA is a classic case.

I agree that Muslim world is divided, but it doesn't justify what West is up to against Muslim world.

Its becoming difficult to defend islam for many of us muslims as there is little realization in the islamic world to introspect.

May be for the People like you its getting difficult to defend Islam. But believe me Islam doesn't need People like you or me to defend it. Allah SWT is the defender of Islam and he can even give this job to the Non-Muslims to defend his Religion. And it is evident that throughout the world non-Muslims are defending Islam.

Why I Defend Muslims | SKYE JETHANI

Why are Western non-Muslims more willing to defend Muslims from possible discrimination than defend their brothers and sisters from Islamic criminal violence and those who support it? - Quora

 

[Joe Shearer]

Hilarious and simultaneously arrogant.

Look at the cheek of it: a liberal disposition to defend the underdog is interpreted as Allah's intervention.

The smug unshakable sense of upright virtue in some of the posts is difficult to defend against mockery.

Check again,there is no point,its always the same ''you support terrorism''.
What has that got to do with this thread tittled,
''Turkish football fans loudly boo their pre-match minute’s silence for Paris victims''

I replied to his post by asking a question,so what are you trying to say?
Is he on topic and im not?
Btw,dont you see what most Chinese trolls are doing here?
You will accept every accusation thrown at your country by the ''chosen ones'' on PDF?

Last things first: I don't accept anything, accusation or praise, unless it agrees with my own analysis. It doesn't matter who makes the 'anything'; again, a matter of the least importance.

As far as Chinese trolls are concerned, if you are a 2012 member, you may already have seen that I accept nothing unless it is a proven fact, or a very highly likely fact.

The simplest way to respond to charges of supporting terrorism is surely to say so. You may be brushed aside once, twice, thrice. But ultimately they are compelled to listen, or to be dictated to.