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Turkish football fans loudly boo their pre-match minute’s silence for Paris victims

The simplest way to respond to charges of supporting terrorism is surely to say so. You may be brushed aside once, twice, thrice. But ultimately they are compelled to listen, or to be dictated to.
I get your point but,

There is a small problem with that statement,as you know they are protected and can say what ever they like,im sure you know that already.
I call them ''the chosen ones''.
 
No one has a supreme Authority over interpretation of Islam

Then what's up with all the fatwas on who's Muslim and who isn't?

common sense

There's ways to bring attention to Western world's hypocrisy and booing the dead isn't one of 'em.

Awesome, so for your own sake it depends on your emotional state but it doesn't for those who are victim of double standards and anarchy in this world. Do you feel their pain? Absolutely not. And as far as the reasons of the deaths are concerned you won't need one had you God forbid to face a situation like that.

How cleverly you focused on my supposed emotional state and very conveniently ignored the reason of my supposed brother's death. Like I said; I ain't no dumb liberal yank. These Madrassah tactics ain't gonna work on me.
If I were a pragmatic person(Emotional state) and my brother died because of his deeds, say hanging out with criminals(reason of my brother's death), I wouldn't expect any condolences. Now I've dumbed it down as much as I could

No, I do not speak just for myself, because I know and I am 100% confident that ISIS does not reflects even a .000000000001 of the teachings of Islam.

Prove it. And again drop these Madrassah tactics, irrespective of whether or not ISIS follows Islam, do they have a significant following or not?

Who the fu*** are ISIS that I need their consultation for declaring me a Muslim?

And why do you think ISIS needs your Fatwa?

They called Muslims to those who were not even Muslims

lol. On one hand ya claim you have no supreme authority over interpretation of Islam and in the same post, very conveniently, you have no problem declaring people Muslims and Non-Muslims. Talk about common sense.

ask someone else that what exactly were you referring to

I was referring to a certain sect which has a brutal interpretation of Jihad in my opinion.

One one hand you claim that you follow Sufism and on other hand Religion (more specifically Islam) is a source of spreading havoc among innocents

Islam is a very vague term to describe a certain ideology. You need to read up a little on Sufism. You'll get my point.

you are answerable to every single Muslim

Ya wish.

so that's what you came up with, is that your logical answer? that since Muslims give birth to a lot of kids that's why have become a dominated Religious group in the world

And what's your logical answer, a 'lol'?

Islam prohibits with every single thing you mentioned, yet if an individual does it, its completely his or her own choice, what does it has to do with Islam?

For tenth time, you must understand Islam is open to interpretation. What Islam prohibits something in your view, the very same thing Islam might be advocating in someone else's view. As for whether or not violence has anything to do with Islam, well, Perception is stronger than reality.

You know what you are writing is countering your own statements.

Yeah, I can see that. That's just Madrassah learned comprehension skills at work.

since you know a lot about him as you are comparing him with me.

Haha..Madrassah Education. So you comparing me with RSS implies the same, I assume. Don't eat beef, by the way. :P

Man, for how many times you will have to contradict your own written statements, Please read thoroughly what you have written previously and read your signature with a completely fresh mind. The more you write the more you are exposing yourself.

Too vague.

Alright, tell me this, if you are not a Madrassh Graduate, but you do know about the teachings of Madrassah since you have visited every single one of them, or may be 10 or 5, no? ok, 3 or 2? No? ok hang on you have been to one Madrassah where they were preaching about 72 virgins? right? Would you mind if you share the the detailed knowledge of that Madrassah where they were preaching that? And I want to know whether you have ever been to any Madrassah at all, I want o ask you a question, apart of the teachings of 72 virgins what else they were preaching in that particular Madrassah where you have had visited and concluded the teachings in Madrassah, tell me? I literary want to know that. If you don't wanna answer all of the above replies, its find, but I want the answer of this one.

Hit a nerve there, didn't I? Nevermind, Madrassahs are as peaceful as it gets.

That's certainly is not the answer of my statement, tell me more about your version of Sufism

No interference in other's personal affairs(No declaring who's Muslims and who isn't), No death over cartoons(Innocent Lives are most important).

you tell me who created

I'm only gonna talk about Islamists, there's no creating 'em, they have long existed. It's only organizing 'em befitting one's interests.

People who follow Sufism, they hate arguments, they have their own world, a world where soul speaks itself. A world where material things have no values, and an immense respect for all Religions consider as a core value.

And I was right; you're an extremist. You take any ideology to extreme. I only follow Sufism to the extent of not interfering in someone's personal affairs, not lynching anyone over their sexual orientation, not declaring people Kafir left and right.
 
Lol nice try avoiding the question , let me put it again , maybe you can answer it this time

"let me ask you this , in comparison which population is more brainwashed , Turkish or Chinese?"

he is not allowed to answer you.. he has special room for some thing but you could bring him and his family to jail or even death.. so let us let him in peace he wont answer he is too scared
 
he is not allowed to answer you.. he has special room for some thing but you could bring him and his family to jail or even death.. so let us let him in peace he wont answer he is too scared
Is that the best Turks can say about our Chinese brothers? You have no freedom either, I dare you to insult Erdogan, and you will not be able to as he jails and probably kills dissenters as the Humans Right records show
 
Is that the best Turks can say about our Chinese brothers? You have no freedom either, I dare you to insult Erdogan, and you will not be able to as he jails and probably kills dissenters as the Humans Right records show


Chinese brothers?

persians licking france and talking about terror ahahah, go stop funding hizbushaytaan in lebanon.
 
I get your point but,

There is a small problem with that statement,as you know they are protected and can say what ever they like,im sure you know that already.
I call them ''the chosen ones''.

True, but I can't tell you anything beyond what I believe in, and try to follow:

 
Then what's up with all the fatwas on who's Muslim and who isn't?

Man you literary know nothing about Islam, do you even know the meaning of Fatwa and how is it issued? But, let me explain you that what truly the Fatwa is, since you have called me a Madrassah Graduate than I must take an advantage of it.
Fatwa is not by definition a pronouncement of death or a declaration of war. A Fatwa is an Islamic legal pronouncement, issued by an expert in religious law (mufti), pertaining to a specific issue, usually at the request of an individual or judge to resolve an issue where Islamic jurisprudence (fiqh), is unclear. Typically, such uncertainty arises as Muslim society works to address new issues – issues that develop as technology and society advance. “Can a Muslim be involved in cloning?” for instance.
We might compare a fatwā to the legal ruling of a high court or the Supreme Court, depending on the authority of the mufti behind it. However, a fatwā is not binding as is the verdict of the secular courts; while correct and applicable to all members of the Muslim faith, the fatwā is optional for the individual to respect or not.
A qaļā, on the other hand, is a legal ruling made by a judge (qādī) that, issued in a nation where Islamic law is observed, is binding on those to whom it is dealt. Usually issued to resolve a legal dispute, a qaļā may be based on a fatwā, yet it applies only to the individuals or groups named in the ruling and no one else. A ruler can impose a qaļā on his entire nation.
It is not allowed for anyone to give a Shari¿ah explanation (fatwā), except one who knows the Holy Qur’ān completely including what verses are abrogated and by which verses they were abrogated, and which verses resemble each other in the Qur’ān and whether a chapter was revealed in Makkah or Madina. He must know the entire corpus of the Hadith of the Prophet (s), both those which are authentic and those which are false. He must know the Arabic language of the time of the Prophet (s) with its grammar and eloquence as well as know the poetry of the Arabs. Additionally, he must know the culture of the various peoples who live in each different nation of the community. If a person has all such attributes combined in himself, he may speak on what is permitted (ħalāl) and what is forbidden (ħarām). Otherwise he has no right to issue a fatwā.

There's ways to bring attention to Western world's hypocrisy and booing the dead isn't one of 'em.

Alright go ahead and tell those who lost their loved ones, I never said it is right to boohoo dead ones, but who made you a judge what is right and wrong? When US solders were raping Iraqi women have you ever protested against them? Did you ever in your useless life condemn the actions of those who are against Muslims and are involved in killings hundreds and thousand of Muslims?

How cleverly you focused on my supposed emotional state and very conveniently ignored the reason of my supposed brother's death. Like I said; I ain't no dumb liberal yank. These Madrassah tactics ain't gonna work on me.

As Dale Carnegie once said "When dealing with People, remember you are not dealing with creatures of logic, but creatures of emotion." Is that all you had? finish the debate on illogical answers by calling me a Madrassah graduate? No, literary man if you wanna win a debate than I will announce it here that you have won, people will praise you a lot. Do you want me to accept my defeat? Because I haven't seen a fool like you, you really have some serious issues, read everything twice what you have written in every single reply of yours. And you have finished an unfinsihed debate with your bias comments, Madrassah tactics.

Prove it. And again drop these Madrassah tactics, irrespective of whether or not ISIS follows Islam, do they have a significant following or not?

Here again.

And why do you think ISIS needs your Fatwa?

And what the heck it means? o_O

lol. On one hand ya claim you have no supreme authority over interpretation of Islam and in the same post, very conveniently, you have no problem declaring people Muslims and Non-Muslims. Talk about common sense.

I was referring to an incident in which an ISIS terrorist stops a car in which two Christians couple were travelling, ISIS terrorists ask the man are you Muslim, he replies yes, the ISIS terrorist ask him to recite Holly Quran, the Christian man recite bible and the ISIS terrorists tells him to go. The wife ask her husband that do you know he could have killed us if he knew you were lying. He replied that no he wouldn't if he was a Muslim, but now I know that he wasn't.

I was referring to a certain sect which has a brutal interpretation of Jihad in my opinion.

So now you are a qualified Madrassah Graduate, you understand completely the interpretation of Jihad? See didn't I told you, you make contradictory statements in every single reply. Why don't you listen to yourself?

Islam is a very vague term to describe a certain ideology. You need to read up a little on Sufism. You'll get my point.

A contradiction again. :hitwall::hitwall::hitwall::hitwall::hitwall:

For tenth time, you must understand Islam is open to interpretation. What Islam prohibits something in your view, the very same thing Islam might be advocating in someone else's view. As for whether or not violence has anything to do with Islam, well, Perception is stronger than reality.

You know nothing about Islam, I don't follow fools to understand the true meaning of Islam mate. I receive my guidance through Holly Quran. And I believe it is a sin for you to consult Holly Quran, isn't it? Otherwise you wouldn't be justifying yourself with illogical debate. You have't show me even a single verse form Holly Quran that says Islam preaches violence.

Yeah, I can see that. That's just Madrassah learned comprehension skills at work.

Again illogical statement. When someone runs out of logic and proofs it is the best way for him/her to get out of the debate with erroneous and irritable comments like these.

Hit a nerve there, didn't I? Nevermind, Madrassahs are as peaceful as it gets.

I don't know what had happened to you in your childhood mate, but you seem more irrational and unpleasant regarding your views against Madrasas. Again if you have any evidence or any information against any kind of illegal activities regarding any particular Madrassah why don't you call 1135, tell them what you see and what you heard, believe me you will be surprised to see what will happen in an hour, only if you are telling the truth.

No interference in other's personal affairs(No declaring who's Muslims and who isn't), No death over cartoons(Innocent Lives are most important).

Look mate if you ask me I am totally against those who kill people in the name of Blasphemy. Islam teaches us tolerance and love. But if people do not understand the true meaning of Islam than what can you do? Again, you cannot blame Islam for it.

I'm only gonna talk about Islamists, there's no creating 'em, they have long existed. It's only organizing 'em befitting one's interests.

Yes I understand that you are only gonna talk about Islamist, after all that's what interest you the most. Why I said this, I believe our readers are quite good at finding clues.

And I was right; you're an extremist. You take any ideology to extreme. I only follow Sufism to the extent of not interfering in someone's personal affairs, not lynching anyone over their sexual orientation, not declaring people Kafir left and right.

On one hand you are saying that you do not interfere in someone's personal affairs on other hand you have a problem with those who boohooing others, again contradiction, and you called me an extremist as well, just like that, without knowing me at all. Isn't this called lynching someone over their believes? not declaring People extremists? What are you man? A pumpkin? Please Please hear yourself out, what you say, read it thousands of times before you publish on this forum, otherwise People will treat you like a fool, you are my brother, and I apologize for any harsh words that i may have used earlier.

Note: If you have a logical and evident proof of every reply you will make, I will reply you back, otherwise don't expect me writing you back, because no matter how many times I prove you that you have some serious issues with logic and proof you will roll back with the same nonsense.
 
The real problem is;Turkish real football fans have not being come to stadiums especially after fixing match case. And have started to boo Turkish national team in every match. So, football federation, which is under hand of tayyip, has begun to arrange konya stadium for national matches not istanbul. Konya is a city which has % 80 government-fun people who ara fundamentalist sunni muslims and support isis mentally no doubt. Every mathes in konya we have heard "ya allah bismillah allahu ekber" chants insistly. And they had booed even suruç and ankara victims in early matches too..

greek match has played in f.t. stadium in başakşehir province that votes this government in high percentages too. And because real football fans dont come to matches, again government supporters went there. In fact government doesnt want real fans in stadiums too. They allways boo this government 90 minutes long.....

for instance, vodafone arena is opening soon. If someone from government goes to the opening ceremony to Beşiktaş vodafone stadium, carefully watch that ceremony. I guess fans wont just boo, but also go into pitch.. they had run after police with the dozers from the arena's construction in 2013 anti-government geziparkı events.
 
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It is utterly shameful that you equate military action taken in Syria with this ghastly terrorist attack. You should be ashamed of yourself.
Yeah, thats the problem. France, EU think ''we are not responsible for this, oo terror suddenly came for us :(''
Turkey has border with ISIS , but France faaaar away from the ISIS right ?
 
Man you literary know nothing about Islam, do you even know the meaning of Fatwa and how is it issued?

Alright go ahead and tell those who lost their loved ones, I never said it is right to boohoo dead ones, but who made you a judge what is right and wrong? When US solders

"When dealing with People, remember you are not dealing with creatures of logic, but creatures of emotion."

And what the heck it means?

So now you are a qualified Madrassah Graduate, you understand completely the interpretation of Jihad? See didn't I told you, you make contradictory statements in every single reply. Why don't you listen to yourself?

A contradiction again

You know nothing about Islam, I don't follow fools to understand the true meaning of Islam mate. I receive my guidance through Holly Quran. And I believe it is a sin for you to consult Holly Quran, isn't it? Otherwise you wouldn't be justifying yourself with illogical debate. You have't show me even a single verse form Holly Quran that says Islam preaches violence.

I don't know what had happened to you in your childhood

Guy, seriously, I'm sick and tired of your Madrassah strategies on argument. The only thing you've had to post throughout the argument is:

No one but only you understand Islam.
And if someone understands Islam but doesn't agree with your interpretation; it's not 'True Islam'.
It's okay to boo dead civilians.
There's no Wahhabis in Pakistan.
Only RSS paints Muslims in bad light.
Giving example of someone means following them and following them to the extent of dinning with them.
Madrassahs have nothing to do with hateful preaching, sectarian sermons, child molestation.
Booing in a minute of silence out of respect to dead in a public place over an International incident is a personal affair.
Portraying me a fan of U.S. while my signature reads U.S is the biggest threat to world peace.

I'm through with this.
 
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