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[asena_great]

look at my examples

A halin/haling nejire ?(necere)

A yakhshi me halin/haling ? ( u can also ask it this way haling yakhshi me )

B gavi/qavi

B yakhshi


the g is the voice we Pronounce from our nose it dont exist in turkish you can ignore it

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Is there such a big difference between Turkmen dialects that some dialects can become unintelligible to each other?

ok i speak with yomud turkmen from turkmenistan it was't any problem except they have turkmenistani accent but recently i meet with Ersary turkmen from merv and a turkmen from lebab (old jajo) the one from lebab even snigle word i could'nt understand but the Ersary one we could hardly talk i ask why i cant understand the lebab turkmen and he answer me "he speak turkmen mixed with uzbek and u speak old turkmen mixed with azeri ! " i can easily understand tekke turkmen ( with little trouble ) but it was difficult to understand merv turkmen !

 

[asena_great]

We just use "yaxşı". "Necesen? Yaxşıyam".

we dont add sen to end of the words we say nejere in short form or fully say nejere halin

but if they ask this way yakhshi mi ?? u must answer this way yakhshi !

 

[Hakan]

From Azerbaijan's national art museum.

Is that a cuman/kipchak/pecheneg mask exclusively or did all of the turks back in the day wear it?

 

[Hakan]

Turkmen president pardons prisoners on Ramadan holiday

Turkmen President, Supreme Commander of the Armed Forces Gurbanguly Berdimuhamedov signed a decree on "Pardon of convicted people in honor of the holy night Gadyr Gijesi".

The holy month of Ramadan which is a time of fasting for Islamic world is coming to an end.

Regular kind arrangement of pardoning of the country`s citizens and the citizens of foreign countries who have been convicted of crimes, but sincerely repented of the committed crime is being held on the occasion of the "Gadyr gijesi" guided by the principles of humanism and charity, the Turkmen president said speaking on state television.

Some 1095 people, including 9 foreign nationals will be freed from the further serving the basic sentence in accordance with the Turkmen president's corresponding decree, the Turkmen national Altin Asyr TV channel reported.

Berdimuhammedov ordered to release all pardoned people from prison and carry out all necessary measure so that these people will be able to return homes until Oraza Bayram (celebrated to mark the end of fasting during the holy Ramadan) and celebrate the holiday with their families.

The law enforcement officers are charged with taking all the necessary measures regarding the employment of the pardoned citizens.

Turkmen president pardons prisoners on Ramadan holiday - Trend.Az

What a nice guy.

 

[usernameless]

Avrasya Ekonomik Birliği ortak paraya geçiyor

Rusya Birinci Başbakan Yardımcısı Shuvalov, Avrasya Ekonomik Birliği'nde 5-10 yıl arasında ortak para birimine geçilmiş olacağını söyledi.

Rusya Birinci Başbakan Yardımcısı Igor Shuvalov, Avrasya Ekonomik Birliği'nde 5-10 yıl arasında ortak para birimine geçilmiş olacağını kaydetti.

Avrasya Ekonomik Birliği'nin geleceğine ilişkin Kazan'da değerlendirmelerde bulunan Shuvalov, Sovyetler Birliği'nin dağılmasıyla ortak ekonomik bölgenin bozulduğunu, Avrasya Ekonomik Birliği ile bu kez bağımsız ülkeler olarak yeniden bir ortak ekonomik bölge oluşturmakta olduklarını anlattı.

Shuvalov, 5-10 yıl arasında ortak para birimine geçilmiş olacağını, bu konunun profesyonel çevrelerde tartışılacağını söyledi.

Kazakistan'ın Birinci Başbakan Yardımcısı Bakitzhan Sagintayev, Avrasya Ekonomik Birliği içinde tek para birimine geçileceğine ilişkin söylentiler üzerine nisan ayında yaptığı açıklamada, böyle bir konuyu tartışmadıklarını belirterek, Tenge kullanmaya devam edeceklerini duyurmuştu.

Diğer yandan birliğe katılım süreciyle ilgili bazı başlıklarda görüşmelerini sürdüren Ermenistan'ın Başbakanı Hovik Abrahamyan da ülkesinin birliğe katılımına ilişkin anlaşmanın gelecek ekim ayında imzalanacağını açıklamıştı.

Minsk'de ekim ayında yapılacak Avrasya Ekonomik Birliği üyesi ülkelerin devlet başkanları toplantısında söz konusu katılım anlaşmasını imzalamasını beklenen Ermenistan, birliğe 2015 Ocak'ta tam üye olabilecek.


AVRASYA EKONOMİK BİRLİĞİ NE ZAMAN KURULDU?

Avrasya Ekonomik entegrasyonu 6 Ocak 1995'te Rusya ile Belarus arasında imzalanan Gümrük Birliği Anlaşması ile başladı. 10 Ekim 2000'de Belarus, Kazakistan, Kırgızistan, Rusya ve Tacikistan imzaladıkları antlaşmayla Avrasya Ekonomi Topluluğu'nu (EurAsEC) kurdu. Kazakistan, Rusya, Belarus 2010 yılında mevzuat ve tarifelerini aynılaştırdı ve resmen gümrük birliğine geçti.

Gümrük birliğine üye ülkelerin devlet başkanları Avrasya Ekonomik Komisyonu'nu oluşturan antlaşmayı 2011'de imzalarken, takip eden 2012 yılında tek ekonomik bölgeye geçildi.

Avrasya Ekonomik Birliği ortak paraya geçiyor

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ne olacak simdi? bugun Kazakistan ve Kirgizistan, yarin kim bilir Ozbekistan, Turkmenistan veya Azerbaycan. bu gidisle Turan sadece bir imkansiz ruyaymis gibi geliyor. yoksa ben mi karamsar dusunuyorum simdi?

 

[Targon]

My tour to paternal village this Bayram was profitting again I found a book written my some relatives which is about our village and several neighbouring villages(which 50-60 years ago was a single village), family trees and origins, traditions, geoghprahy, its very detailed and accurate.

One tradition took my attention, at times of wedding, they put a tree branch at the top of house of the marrying person, they shave the branch except its top and put some other stuff too at the top too and they call it "Tugh", most places has the tradition too but they put a Turkish flag and don't call it Tugh, only after that I realized this is directly comes from the Tugh tradition of steppe peoples, @telkon @asena_great what do you say ? you have it right ?

 

[Charon 2]

I've never heared about this revolt of nomadic Turkmen refugees against the formerly Seljuk Sultanate of Rum goverance but it seems to be interesting

The Babai Revolt was an insurrection in the Sultanate of Rûm in the thirteenth century

Sultanate of Rûm was a medieval state in Anatolia founded by Seljuq Turks who had recently converted[citation needed] to Islam. Although initially a part of the Great Seljuk Empire, it lasted longer than the Great Seljuks, reaching its apogee during the reign of Alaattin Keykubat I. But in the mid-13th century, Seljuks faced the problem of refugees. The Mongols had defeated the Khwarazm Empire at the east, and Oghuz Turk clans were escaping from the Turkistan area to Anatolia. These clans were nomadic and mostly Tengriist, i.e. non Muslim.[1] The Seljuk sultan Gıyaseddin Keyhüsrev II attempted to settle these people in Southeast Anatolia (Asiatic part of modern Turkey), but they defied his diktat. They started to convert to Islam, but their interpretation of Islam was more tolerant than that of the settled population, and they were regarded as heretics. However they were supported by the nomadic Turkmen people of Central Anatolia who had migrated earlier than the newcomers but had the same problems.


The revolt

Gıyasettin had ceded power to his ministers, notably Sadettin Köpek who excelled at political murder and repression. He had the leaders of Khwārazm people (like Kirkhan) imprisoned. The revolt began in 1239 around Samsat (in modern Adıyaman Province), and spread quickly to Central Anatolia. Baba Ishak who led the revolt was a follower of Baba İlyas, the kadı (judge) of Kayseri. Although the Seljuk governor of Malatya tried to suppress the revolt he was defeated by the revolutionaries around Elbistan (in modern Kahramanmaraş Province). The revolutionaries captured the important cities of Sivas, Kayseri and Tokat in Central and North Anatolia. The governor of Amasya killed Baba Ishak in 1240, but this did not mean the end of the revolt. The revolutionaries marched on Konya, the capital. The sultan saw that his army could not suppress the revolt, and he hired mercenaries of French origin. The revolutionaries were defeated in a decisive battle on the Malya plains near Kırşehir.[2]

Rāss’ūl-Allāh Bābā Eliyās al-Khorāsānī
Rāss’ūl-Allāh Bābā Eliyās al-Khorāsānī († 1240)[3] was an influential mystic from Eastern Persia, who was the murshid ofAybak Bābā who in turn was the murshid of one of the leading actors of the Babais Rebellion, namely Bābā Ishāq Kafarsudīas well. Eventually, Bābā Eliyās Khorāsānī was held responsible for the insurrection organized by Bābā Ishāq Kafarsudī, and consequently executed by Mūbārez’ūd-Dīn-ee Armāğān-Shāh,[4] the supreme commander-in-chief of the armies of theAnadolu Selçuklu Devleti (Sultanate of Rum).

Aftermath

The revolt was suppressed with much bloodshed. But with the diversion of resources needed to suppress the revolt, the Seljuk army was severely affected. The defence of the eastern provinces was largely ignored, and most of Anatolia was plundered. The Seljuks lost the valuable trade colony in the Crimea, on the north of the Black Sea. The Mongol commanderBayju saw this as an opportunity to occupy East Anatolia, and in 1242 he captured Erzurum. In 1243, he defeated Keyhüsrev's army in the battle of Kösedağ, and the Seljuks became vassals of the Mongols.[2]

Babai Revolt - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[telkon]

My tour to paternal village this Bayram was profitting again I found a book written my some relatives which is about our village and several neighbouring villages(which 50-60 years ago was a single village), family trees and origins, traditions, geoghprahy, its very detailed and accurate.

One tradition took my attention, at times of wedding, they put a tree branch at the top of house of the marrying person, they shave the branch except its top and put some other stuff too at the top too and they call it "Tugh", most places has the tradition too but they put a Turkish flag and don't call it Tugh, only after that I realized this is directly comes from the Tugh tradition of steppe peoples, telkon asena_great what do you say ? you have it right ?

no, we don't have such a custom or maybe i never saw it, for i hate those kind of crowded events LOL

I've never heared about this revolt of nomadic Turkmen refugees against the formerly Seljuk Sultanate of Rum goverance but it seems to be interesting

The Babai Revolt was an insurrection in the Sultanate of Rûm in the thirteenth century

Sultanate of Rûm was a medieval state in Anatolia founded by Seljuq Turks who had recently converted[citation needed] to Islam. Although initially a part of the Great Seljuk Empire, it lasted longer than the Great Seljuks, reaching its apogee during the reign of Alaattin Keykubat I. But in the mid-13th century, Seljuks faced the problem of refugees. The Mongols had defeated the Khwarazm Empire at the east, and Oghuz Turk clans were escaping from the Turkistan area to Anatolia. These clans were nomadic and mostly Tengriist, i.e. non Muslim.[1] The Seljuk sultan Gıyaseddin Keyhüsrev II attempted to settle these people in Southeast Anatolia (Asiatic part of modern Turkey), but they defied his diktat. They started to convert to Islam, but their interpretation of Islam was more tolerant than that of the settled population, and they were regarded as heretics. However they were supported by the nomadic Turkmen people of Central Anatolia who had migrated earlier than the newcomers but had the same problems.


The revolt

Gıyasettin had ceded power to his ministers, notably Sadettin Köpek who excelled at political murder and repression. He had the leaders of Khwārazm people (like Kirkhan) imprisoned. The revolt began in 1239 around Samsat (in modern Adıyaman Province), and spread quickly to Central Anatolia. Baba Ishak who led the revolt was a follower of Baba İlyas, the kadı (judge) of Kayseri. Although the Seljuk governor of Malatya tried to suppress the revolt he was defeated by the revolutionaries around Elbistan (in modern Kahramanmaraş Province). The revolutionaries captured the important cities of Sivas, Kayseri and Tokat in Central and North Anatolia. The governor of Amasya killed Baba Ishak in 1240, but this did not mean the end of the revolt. The revolutionaries marched on Konya, the capital. The sultan saw that his army could not suppress the revolt, and he hired mercenaries of French origin. The revolutionaries were defeated in a decisive battle on the Malya plains near Kırşehir.[2]

Rāss’ūl-Allāh Bābā Eliyās al-Khorāsānī
Rāss’ūl-Allāh Bābā Eliyās al-Khorāsānī († 1240)[3] was an influential mystic from Eastern Persia, who was the murshid ofAybak Bābā who in turn was the murshid of one of the leading actors of the Babais Rebellion, namely Bābā Ishāq Kafarsudīas well. Eventually, Bābā Eliyās Khorāsānī was held responsible for the insurrection organized by Bābā Ishāq Kafarsudī, and consequently executed by Mūbārez’ūd-Dīn-ee Armāğān-Shāh,[4] the supreme commander-in-chief of the armies of theAnadolu Selçuklu Devleti (Sultanate of Rum).

Aftermath

The revolt was suppressed with much bloodshed. But with the diversion of resources needed to suppress the revolt, the Seljuk army was severely affected. The defence of the eastern provinces was largely ignored, and most of Anatolia was plundered. The Seljuks lost the valuable trade colony in the Crimea, on the north of the Black Sea. The Mongol commanderBayju saw this as an opportunity to occupy East Anatolia, and in 1242 he captured Erzurum. In 1243, he defeated Keyhüsrev's army in the battle of Kösedağ, and the Seljuks became vassals of the Mongols.[2]

Babai Revolt - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

those turkmen tribes helped to re-turkify heavily persianized anatolian turks and those khwarazmian people who had to flee from anatolian seljuks, served ruler in baghdad and still there are people from that bloodline. i met with one of them 2 years ago

 

[Targon]

no, we don't have such a custom or maybe i never saw it, for i hate those kind of crowded events LOL




those turkmen tribes helped to re-turkify heavily persianized anatolian turks and those khwarazmian people who had to flee from anatolian seljuks, served ruler in baghdad and still there are people from that bloodline. i met with one of them 2 years ago

C'mon man think carefully, I found a Central Asian tradition and you tell me you don't have something similar ? its clearly a variant of the original Tugh tradition, Ottoman Sultans when going to campaign would put their Tugh in front of their palace.

 

[ASQ-1918]

The "Tugh" tradition was adopted into Shia ceremonies during the Safavid period btw.

@Targon

What about that book? Perhaps you could tell us more about the details.

 

[Targon]

@ASQ-1918

Yep, it would be weird if it wasn't effected from Islam.

Info in book is spesific to 3 neighbouring villages, there aren't much info that would take interest of an outsider, families, geoghraphy, traditions, certain persons, traditional craftmanship etc.

 

[ASQ-1918]

I came across a Altai proverb:

Caman atka muñ kamçı,
Cakşı atka bir kamçı.
Caman kijige muñ sös,
Cakşý kijige bir sös.

And we have the following Azerbaijani proverb:

Yaxşı ata bir qamçı, yaman ata min qamçı.

Interesting that we have similar proverbs in such vast geographical distances. Do you guys (Kyrgyz, Turkish, Turkmen) have the same/similar proverb?

 

[telkon]

I came across a Altai proverb:

Caman atka muñ kamçı,
Cakşı atka bir kamçı.
Caman kijige muñ sös,
Cakşý kijige bir sös.

And we have the following Azerbaijani proverb:

Yaxşı ata bir qamçı, yaman ata min qamçı.

Interesting that we have similar proverbs in such vast geographical distances. Do you guys (Kyrgyz, Turkish, Turkmen) have the same/similar proverb?

yes, we have exactly the same proverb Caman atka miñ kamçı, Cakşı atka bir kamçı it's understandable that we have exactly the same proverb, for altai kiji and kyrgyz share more than a language, our genetic makeups are also very similar and they and us believe that altai kiji are kyrgyz offshoot which is backed by some historical data. on the other hand, azerbaijanis having the same proverb is kinda strange and pleasing at the same time

 

[Targon]

Share some proverbs from your countries guys, may be we could find some common ones

 

[telkon]

@Targon i remember there was some talk about the title kağan. here's excerpt from wei shu, the annals of the wei kingdom.

" 402, - 5. year of T'ien Hsing - Jou-jans (Rourans) used the title kagan for the first time
10. month, battle with Later Ch'in and victory"


now, some scholars believe rourans were proto-mongols, some believe they were turkic. by using kagan, rourans replaced xioung-nu grand title chan-yü.

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and also, on that song you shared and asked if it was uzbek. though, it seems like uzbek, the words are a mix of uzbek and some other, possibly oğuz language.