Turkey’s S-400 vs F-35 dilemma in 2019

[cabatli_53]

You Zionist scum read these,

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...yria-air-defences-shot-down-majority-missiles

Weapon bays opened is your bullshit claim, no more. And who care of it is like that. And brother iran grabbed american stealth uav last years. You f..in coward babykillers.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999_F-117A_shootdown

Please stay in respect line my friend. Next time, I must issue warning If you don’t obey my friendly advice.

Thanks...

 

[Beny Karachun]

@MKALE1
"Weapon bays opened is your bullshit claim, no more. And who care of it is like that. And brother iran grabbed american stealth uav last years. You f..in coward babykillers.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999_F-117A_shootdown"

In your own link According to Dani in a 2007 interview, his troops spotted the aircraft on radar when its bomb-bay doors opened, raising its radar signature.[8]

"You Zionist scum read these,

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...yria-air-defences-shot-down-majority-missiles"

Russia ****claims**** Syria air defences shot down 71 of 103 missiles

 

[MKALE1]

@MKALE1
"Weapon bays opened is your bullshit claim, no more. And who care of it is like that. And brother iran grabbed american stealth uav last years. You f..in coward babykillers.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999_F-117A_shootdown"

In your own link According to Dani in a 2007 interview, his troops spotted the aircraft on radar when its bomb-bay doors opened, raising its radar signature.[8]

"You Zionist scum read these,

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...yria-air-defences-shot-down-majority-missiles"

Russia ****claims**** Syria air defences shot down 71 of 103 missiles

it is just a claim yet, and nobody care it, in result it has been shot down, nobody can know real reason. And iran grabbed stealth (claimed) uav in alive and it shows, Usa is a paper tiger, and one day it will be hunted somrewher. i wish china wiped it out. in addition Stealth technology seems not work against ordinary-army but over al-qaeda style primitive rebelians, i can say that it is just show bussiness. S400s capable hunt them easly. That is why Trump cry for Turks not having it.

And, yes i remembered the number of shot down missile wrong.

 

[Blackwolf12]

No.


Never happened.


Wasn't the S-200, a single F-167 jet was shot down, not "many stealth jets"(The only reason it was shot d9wn was because its weapons bay was open, it wasn't stealthy at that moment)

Like someone else has mentioned air defense system can be defeated. With enough saturation by EW, cruise missiles, and warplanes, no amount of S400 batteries could keep up with a massive attack. Don't forget if S400 can see you, you can see it too. The only difference is that you fly in a supersonic plane with the radar cross-section of a pigeon, and the S400 operator is stuck in a truck with no radar reflecting materials to speak of.

it is just a claim yet, and nobody care it, in result it has been shot down, nobody can know real reason. And iran grabbed stealth (claimed) uav in alive and it shows, Usa is a paper tiger, and one day it will be hunted somrewher. i wish china wiped it out. in addition Stealth technology seems not work against ordinary-army but over al-qaeda style primitive rebelians, i can say that it is just show bussiness. S400s capable hunt them easly. That is why Trump cry for Turks not having it.

And, yes i remembered the number of shot down missile wrong.

Are there any pictures of cruise missiles shot down? Does anyone have a single picture? When the saudis dropped a bomb on a school bus we had pieces of the bomb still. Don’t you think we’d have Atleast one picture of the shot down cruise missiles?

Stealth doesn’t make you invisible, it just makes you smaller and harder to track. Stealth features, and Electronic warfare together would be effective against air defences. Plus F117 nighthawk was the first American stealth plane, im sure they have made improvements since then! Don’t think we would spend so much money on F35 if it was so worthless!

 

[Beny Karachun]

Like someone else has mentioned air defense system can be defeated. With enough saturation by EW, cruise missiles, and warplanes, no amount of S400 batteries could keep up with a massive attack. Don't forget if S400 can see you, you can see it too. The only difference is that you fly in a supersonic plane with the radar cross-section of a pigeon, and the S400 operator is stuck in a truck with no radar reflecting materials to speak of.

I know, and in the case of the S-400, it probably doesn't take too many cruise missiles or warplanes to destroy them.

 

[MKALE1]

Like someone else has mentioned air defense system can be defeated. With enough saturation by EW, cruise missiles, and warplanes, no amount of S400 batteries could keep up with a massive attack. Don't forget if S400 can see you, you can see it too. The only difference is that you fly in a supersonic plane with the radar cross-section of a pigeon, and the S400 operator is stuck in a truck with no radar reflecting materials to speak of.


Are there any pictures of cruise missiles shot down? Does anyone have a single picture? When the saudis dropped a bomb on a school bus we had pieces of the bomb still. Don’t you think we’d have Atleast one picture of the shot down cruise missiles?

Stealth doesn’t make you invisible, it just makes you smaller and harder to track. Stealth features, and Electronic warfare together would be effective against air defences. Plus F117 nighthawk was the first American stealth plane, im sure they have made improvements since then! Don’t think we would spend so much money on F35 if it was so worthless!

That your desire might be joke, do you really expect to see every 71 missiles shott down. There some video showing airdefence countering the coming missiles. But it is not possible for every missile to be shown seperately. And after that missile attack usa desperately gave up to topple Bashar Al-Assad. That might be some indicator for ordinary people like us ( not having radar to see that situation) that missile attack failed.

And F114 explanation is another wet dream of pro-american guys.
And so what is your explanation for alive grabbed stealth uav by iran??

 

[Beny Karachun]

That your desire might be joke, do you really expect to see every 71 missiles shott down. There some video showing airdefence countering the coming missiles. But it is not possible for every missile to be shown seperately. And after that missile attack usa desperately gave up to topple Bashar Al-Assad. That might be some indicator for ordinary people like us ( not having radar to see that situation) that missile attack failed.

He expects to see one, maybe two if you're generous. Too bad you can't show us because none were shot down and Russia are just liars

 

[MKALE1]

Hahaha good joke
And what about iran grabbed zuper stealth uav?
Desperat end is coming for babykiller israel.

 

[Blackwolf12]

That your desire might be joke, do you really expect to see every 71 missiles shott down. There some video showing airdefence countering the coming missiles. But it is not possible for every missile to be shown seperately. And after that missile attack usa desperately gave up to topple Bashar Al-Assad. That might be some indicator for ordinary people like us ( not having radar to see that situation) that missile attack failed.

And F114 explanation is another wet dream of pro-american guys.
And so what is your explanation for alive grabbed stealth uav by iran??

I'm not asking for all of them, I am asking for a single picture!

Hahaha good joke
And what about iran grabbed zuper stealth uav?
Desperat end is coming for babykiller israel.

I never said stealth was invincible, I just said it was a drastic improvement over anything non-stealth.

 

[Beny Karachun]

Hahaha good joke
And what about iran grabbed zuper stealth uav?
Desperat end is coming for babykiller israel.

You have the cognitive capacity of a snail

 

[MKALE1]

I'm not asking for all of them, I am asking for a single picture!


I never said stealth was invincible, I just said it was a drastic improvement over anything non-stealth.

Hey friend that missile attack was just a check of enemy capability, and after failed missile attack, usa gave up and admit the Bashar Al-Assad. I dont have any picture to show it to you (with israeli guy) And your desire still funny. There maybe some picture but we dont have it, and you says it hit Assad. So why Assad still rulling his part easly.
Maybe that funny israeli guy can respond it easly. Russia liar, iran liar, Turkey liar. That is all lie and illussion, there is no one named Assad. Tomyhawks destroyed Assad capability but the rest world don't know it

 

[Beny Karachun]

Hey friend that missile attack was just a check of enemy capability, and aftermath usa gave up and admit the Bashar Al-Assad. I dont have any picture to show it to you (with israeli guy) And your desire still funny. There maybe some picture but we dont have it, and you says it hit Assad. So why Assad still rulling his part easly.
Maybe that funny israeli guy can respond it easly. Russia liar, iran liar, Turkey liar. That is all lie and illussion, there is no one named Assad. Tomyhawks destroyed Assad but the rest world don't know it

Funny how Syria makes ridiculous claims of shooting down Israeli F-15s, F35s, shooting down hundreds of missiles and rockets, yet can never back their claim with proof.

 

[MKALE1]

You have the cognitive capacity of a snail

who care of what someone f.. b.. says like you, you need to focus on your babykiller israel's desperat end soon. by underestimating your foe capability, you could not be success.
Hahaha

And i stop that funny debate here.

 

[Kamil_baku]

i feel like most of you dont understand the importance of S400.

in 5th generation warfare, 5th generation Jets have to turn off their radar and only listen to the AWACS behind them or other air vehicles radars to illuminate the target so they can shoot them while being stealth because with latest EW systems, the opposite side can see you once you open the radar doesnt matter if you are 4th or 5th generation aircraft.
Basically AWACS would see air targets from 200-300 km away and those 5th generation jets will fire their air to air missile or ground missiles to those targets.
However, S400 is designed to shoot those big radar aircraft(it can also be f18 as US plan to use) to make 5th generation jets blind or force them to open their own radar. Nobody will spend S400 missile to hit a small antiship missile. Also, because of S400 missile's speed, it is also very hard to run away from it.

 

[Blackwolf12]

i feel like most of you dont understand the importance of S400.

in 5th generation warfare, 5th generation Jets have to turn off their radar and only listen to the AWACS behind them or other air vehicles radars to illuminate the target so they can shoot them while being stealth because with latest EW systems, the opposite side can see you once you open the radar doesnt matter if you are 4th or 5th generation aircraft.
Basically AWACS would see air targets from 200-300 km away and those 5th generation jets will fire their air to air missile or ground missiles to those targets.
However, S400 is designed to shoot those big radar aircraft(it can also be f18 as US plan to use) to make 5th generation jets blind or force them to open their own radar. Nobody will spend S400 missile to hit a small antiship missile. Also, because of S400 missile's speed, it is also very hard to run away from it.

Hypothetical situation:

The US is attacking Turkey and has moved 3 aircraft carriers into the Mediterranean. Each aircraft carrier has around 60 F35C.

Now imagine Turkey has bought the S400. Believe we purchased 4 batteries? If 180 F35C’s are actively jamming and sending out radar signals do you think those 4 s400 batteries will be able to defeat the attack? Let’s say that all our S400s fires all their missiles, 40 missiles. If every single one hits an F35 that’d be 40 F35s taken out.

The F35s still win, that’s 140 F35s left to drop bombs, fire cruise missiles, etc. Don’t forget cruisemissiles from ships, submarines, etc. It simply can’t keep up on its own.

I’m not saying S400 is useless, but it is playing a role within a wide range of tools. We can’t simply rely on one system to protect everything.