Turkey set to invade Syria; US to remove forces from area

[OIO]

I agree to some extent. However it also depends. China didnt invade Vietnam in the 70s for 'defence' only, Neither did China seize Scarborough shoal from the Philippines for 'defence'. Big powers obviously have more stakes and capabilities in securing their interests than small powers.
However, I agree that compared to other world powers like Russia, U S, France, UK and even regional powers like Turkey,Iran etc China has been historically more reserved/inward looking than these other powers. Since China has never in its its entire history fought a war away from their immediate neighbourhood. Which is really interesting to say the least. Compare this to warrior nations like U.S,U.K,Japan, Russia a, France, and even Turkey/Iran it's quite a contrast. Seems it's more cultural than anything as well.

Self-defense counterattack.

 

[xenon54 out]

Not really, Chinese military is for defence only.

Lol, cool story.

 

[mike2000 is back]

Self-defense counterattack.

Ahahahahaha......first time hearing such a term. . Good one.

 

[xenon54 out]

Ahahahahaha......first time hearing such a term. . Good one.

And the girls in his profile have a water gun in their hands.

Deployment continues:

 

[Nein]

Not really, Chinese military is for defence only.

Really how did China become so big???

It was due to conquest what Modern China inherited was due to this.

Turkish army is not just for defence but also for offensive capabilities because the goal of the TSK to defend the Turkish homeland and its interests. Hence why ypg-pkk need to be attacked as they are a threat to Turkey and to Muslims in general.

Not just Muslims the ypg is also oppressing Christians in places where they are ruling.

 

[mike2000 is back]

Their govts are pro russia and they support china till the limit russia allows. I am talking about influence, Turkic people inhabit west china and uighur muslims associate themselves with turks too. Similarly Pakistan have deep affection and care for turks. Turkmenistan and azerbaijan are other examples. Turks are also present in sout and east europe. Biggest diaspora of germany is turks. You should read history and learn what turks have achieved. If anything, ataturk made turkey regional and pull back frm global role. The very fact that Turkey shot down russian jet without hesitation shows they r not scared of anyone. Majority muslims of the world will stand with Turkey even today. Its u who is under estimating Turkey.

Thats abit pushing things too much.

 

[obj 705A]

the only time they can say biji kurdistan is when they have the American flag besides them, once the Zionist master dropes them they cry and move their women to the front & film them flying baloons & pigeons , instead of being a servant of the imperialists they should just accept their respective countries Iraq, Iran, Turkey, Syria & just live in peace like the other dozens of ethnicities in the reagion, if every single ethnicity is given a state of their own you could end up with dozens of micro states in the middle east.

 

[xenon54 out]

if every single ethnicity is given a state of their own you could end up with dozens of micro states in the middle east.

Ever heard of divide and conquer?

 

[MMM-E]

Hmmmm....but Russia purposefully slaughtered countless Turkmens as well. In fact they were not even hiding it they were publicly saying it to the world , they basically slaughtered and bombed them like pigs leading to many Turkmens(those who survived Russia's onslaught) to flee for their lives in Turkey. The Russians were heavily bombing Turkmen villages even before the downing of the Russian plane, yet today Russia and Turkey are " good buddies
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/world-middle-east-34995678
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN0TG1YQ20151128
So as you can see, every country and player out there is only looking after their own interests. Nothing wrong in that. The fact that you trying to bring in morality in this game is laughable. There is no morality in geo politics and no actor here is in the wrong , it's all a game of power and interests.
THERE ARE NO PERMANENT FRIEND'S IN GEO POLITICS ONLY PERMANENT INTERESTS

Criminal murderer Russia+ASSAD Regime+Iran slaughtered hundreds of thousands of Syrian People ( Arabs , Turkmens , etc ) because of cowardly pussies the US , the UK , France , Germany sold Syrian People

the US , the UK , France , Germany provoked Syrian People to fight ASSAD Regime
but in the end of day the US , the UK , France , Germany sold Syrian People and They have started supporting PKK/YPG Terrorists to destroy Syria's territorial integrity for Israeli interests


and Turkey stoped Russia+ASSAD Regime+Iran in IDLIB to slaughter hundreds of thousands of Syrian People including Turkmens ...... also Turkey saved over 3,5 million of Syrians

We TURKS have morality because of We Turks are not criminal murderer christian
Americans,British,French,Russians who slaughtered millions of muslim Arabs in Algeria,Iraq,Syria,Libya,etc after the collapse of the Ottoman Empire and Christian persecution still continues to Muslims in the Middle East and Africa



The US,The UK,France and Israel use toilet paper terrorist Kurds to invade over 30% of Syria under the mask of fighting against ISIS to destroy Syria's territorial integrity for Israreli interests

and Turkey has right to fight PKK/YPG terrorism in Syria to protect its own citizens and territorial integrity





Kurdish FALCONS Brigade (400 Kurdish and 200 Arab Fighters ) was formed as part of the Hamza Division of FSA to fight PKK/YPG and ISIS

 

[mike2000 is back]

Criminal murderer Russia+ASSAD Regime+Iran slaughtered hundreds of thousands of Syrian People ( Arabs , Turkmens , etc ) because of cowardly pussies the US , the UK , France , Germany sold Syrian People

the US , the UK , France , Germany provoked Syrian People to fight ASSAD Regime
but in the end of day the US , the UK , France , Germany sold Syrian People and They have started supporting PKK/YPG Terrorists to destroy Syria's territorial integrity for Israeli interests

Nope western western powers never really "provoked"(or whatever you mean by that) the Syrian people to fight Assad. Lol. In fact during the first month's of the revolution, western powers were not that vocal in their opposition to Assad. U.S, UK, France and Germany didn't even take radical measures against Assad.You should know that the West didn't have much enmity with Assad. In fact western powers never had much stake or interests in Syria, so they didn't really care much about the country.
It was the Syrian people themselves who had been fed up with over half a century of Assad's regime rule and tyranny who were are the forefront of the protests and asking for Assad's departure from power like the other Arab dictators who went before him (Mubarak, Ben Ali, Gaddafi, Saleh etc). Thousands of Syrian military officers/soldiers also defected after they had been ordered to shoot and kill their own people and anybody who opposed Assad's rule. Mass defection by the Syrian military only boast support for the revolution and embolden the people to come out more in numbers to speak up their mind freely for the first time and protest against Assad's rule, this was subsequently met with a brutal crackdown which obviously led to a civil war, as Assad's army defectors, militants joined forces to battle the Syrian military. Too bad the Syrian military didn't take things into their own hands to topple Assad like the Egyptian military did to save the country from a bloody costly civil war. So I think people should be more respectful of the Egyptian military , since they basically saved Egypt from turning into a Syria by choosing to depose a tyrant themselves instead of following his orders to kill their own people.

and Turkey stoped Russia+ASSAD Regime+Iran in IDLIB to slaughter hundreds of thousands of Syrian People including Turkmens ...... also Turkey saved over 3,5 million of Syrians

LOL Turkey hasn't stopped anything. Russia(together with Iranian militias/proxies) and their puppet Assad have been bombing Idlib and they have launched several ground operations against the city already . It's only a matter of time before the city will fall and they will control it as well. If anything Russia and Assad consider all these Turkish back groups as terrorists. Lol

We TURKS have morality because of We Turks are not criminal murderer christian
Americans,British,French,Russians who slaughtered millions of muslim Arabs in Algeria,Iraq,Syria,Libya,etc after the collapse of the Ottoman Empire and Christian persecution still continues to Muslims in the Middle East and Africa

Depends on who you ask. If you ask the Kurds, they will say Turkey is the worse country on earth. Lol. Turkey isn't any better. You claiming the moral high ground in geo politics is laughable as I said before. I would have believed that If Turkey didn't get involved in any foreign countries business, irrespective of the reason. For example Turkey shouldn't have invaded North Cyprus as well. Lol. As I said , it's all about power ,interests and the weight of your opponent. If say Cyprus was France or China , do you think Turkey would have invaded them to 'protect ethnic Turks '? Lol. We both know it would have never happened and both countries would have carried on with their daily lives.
I am not even blaming Turkey here since to me their actions are legitimate geo politically speaking. I'm just against the notion that you seem to want to claim the moral high ground over others, while putting yourself as the holy one. Lol. No such thing in this game, I'm not that naive to believe such a thing.

Criminal murderer Russia

I'm not sure you can claim that , since you guys are now good partners.

The US,The UK,France and Israel use toilet paper terrorist Kurds to invade over 30% of Syria under the mask of fighting against ISIS to destroy Syria's territorial integrity for Israreli interests

It seems to me that you are also one of those people who have been semi- obsessed about Israel. Some of you have made Israel into this big super enemy who is Omni present in everything bad happening in your daily lives/country. An outsider might think they are this big super country not knowing it's a small country of barely 6 million people but who seems to loom over the minds of virtually every person in your region. Lol To me that's quite an achievement for the Israelis.
What has Israel got to do with what we have been discussing? . If anything I believe Israel is in favour of Turkey's action, since at least Turkey has been one of the few REAL CONSISTENT backer of the FSA/rebel groups in Syria against Assad's tyranny, unlike Western powers and KSA/Gulf states who have been rather inconsistent with their support to be honest. So i will give Turkey this one.

 

[dBSPL]

While all zionist media circles and pro-Israel writer and politician team conducting media campaign with full force against Turkey, since Erdogan's Op declaration: saying that Israel is favor in Turkey.

/facepalm

It's not about Israel obsession. It's about Israel's influence environment and position with its soft power. In addition, geopolitical developments in recent years starting from the Mediterranean to the Caucasus confirm that there is an arm wrestling. The United States has tried to mediate many times, but in both countries "governments" have made it a existence struggle.

 

[MMM-E]

Nope western western powers never really "provoked"(or whatever you mean by that) the Syrian people to fight Assad. Lol. In fact during the first month's of the revolution, western powers were not that vocal in their opposition to Assad. U.S, UK, France and Germany didn't even take radical measures against Assad.You should know that the West didn't have much enmity with Assad. In fact western powers never had much stake or interests in Syria, so they didn't really care much about the country.
It was the Syrian people themselves who had been fed up with over half a century of Assad's regime rule and tyranny who were are the forefront of the protests and asking for Assad's departure from power like the other Arab dictators who went before him (Mubarak, Ben Ali, Gaddafi, Saleh etc). Thousands of Syrian military officers/soldiers also defected after they had been ordered to shoot and kill their own people and anybody who opposed Assad's rule. Mass defection by the Syrian military only boast support for the revolution and embolden the people to come out more in numbers to speak up their mind freely for the first time and protest against Assad's rule, this was subsequently met with a brutal crackdown which obviously led to a civil war, as Assad's army defectors, militants joined forces to battle the Syrian military. Too bad the Syrian military didn't take things into their own hands to topple Assad like the Egyptian military did to save the country from a bloody costly civil war. So I think people should be more respectful of the Egyptian military , since they basically saved Egypt from turning into a Syria by choosing to depose a tyrant themselves instead of following his orders to kill their own people.

1 - ) the US and the UK destroyed SADDAM
RESULT : Iraq is over ( more than 1 million Iraqi people dead , civil war and terror groups )

2 - ) France , the US and the UK attacked Libya to destroy GADDAFI
RESULT : Libya is over ( only death , blood , conflicts and terror groups )

3 - ) The US,the UK,France,Germany , including H.CLINTON said Turkey that stop relationship with ASSAD because of soon ASSAD will be gone as like GADDAFI ..... so The US,the UK,France,Germany started supporting Syrian People and FSA to rebel against ASSAD .. because of to start civil war in Syria

but in 2013 , The US,the UK,France,Germany sold Syrian People and FSA and They have started supporting PKK/YPG to create so-called Syrian Kurdistan

RESULT : hundreds of thousands of death , blood , conflicts and terror groups in Syria



4 - ) The US,the UK,France,Germany supported FETO Terror organization to destroy ERDOGAN to start civil war in Turkey
RESULT : Failed coup attempt by FETO in 2016 ... Turkey won


so The US,the UK,France,Germany have their agenda to design muslim countries since 1991 ... even Condoleezza Rice said that Border and regime of 22 countries will change in the region

LOL Turkey hasn't stopped anything. Russia(together with Iranian militias/proxies) and their puppet Assad have been bombing Idlib and they have launched several ground operations against the city already . It's only a matter of time before the city will fall and they will control it as well. If anything Russia and Assad consider all these Turkish back groups as terrorists. Lol

I am saying again Turkey stoped Russia+ASSAD Regime+Iran in IDLIB to slaughter hundreds of thousands of Syrian People including Turkmens ...... also Turkey saved over 3,5 million of Syrians


Russia target the US,the UK,the UAE and Saudi Arabia backed Al-Qaida linked terror groups in IDLIB

btw who cares about criminal murderer ASSAD Regime-Iran who killed hundreds of thousands of Syrian People ? Nobody ....they are real terrorists

Depends on who you ask. If you ask the Kurds, they will say Turkey is the worse country on earth

Yes Depends on who you ask. If you ask PKK/YPG Terror Organization, they will say Turkey is the worse country on earth

but the Kurds are so happy in Turkey .. even the Kurds were became General , Prime Minister and President
and millions of Kurds vote for AKP , MHP , CHP and the Kurds so hate Pkk terror organization

For example Turkey shouldn't have invaded North Cyprus as well. Lol. As I said , it's all about power ,interests and the weight of your opponent. If say Cyprus was France or China , do you think Turkey would have invaded them to 'protect ethnic Turks '? Lol. We both know it would have never happened and both countries would have carried on with their daily lives.

France and China never ruled Cyprus ... and there are not any French or Chinese in Cyprus
on the other hand The Turks ruled Cyprus between 1571 and 1878

and in 1960 United Cyprus gained independence from British rule , after both Greek and Turkish Cypriots agreed to abandon their respective plans

but between 1964 and 1974 savage Greek Cypriots killed many innocent Turkish Cypriots and to demote Turkish status from co-founders of the state to one of minority status, removing their constitutional safeguards in the process

in finally by 1974 , the Turkish Armed Forces saved innocent Turkish Cypriots from savage Greek Cypriots because Turkey claimed that under the 1960 Treaty of Guarantee

I'm not sure you can claim that , since you guys are now good partners.

Turkey-the EU are good partners too .. The EU Countries are also criminal murderer

The EU Countries The UK,France,Germany,Italy,Belgium,The Netherlands,Spain,Portugal killed over 60 million innocent people in America,Africa,Asia and Australia continents

 

[mike2000 is back]

Russia target the US,the UK,the UAE and Saudi Arabia backed Al-Qaida linked terror groups in IDLIB

You don't seem to be consistent in your own remarks. You said earlier that Russia is a mass criminal/murderer regime. Now you are saying they are just fighting "western and Saudi backed" terrorists?
You should make up your mind which one you believe. Lol
Do you even know that almost all of the
groups that your country is supporting are considered terrorists by both Russia and even Iran? . This includes even more so the FSA who has been the biggest rival and opposition to Assad and as such they have been the biggest target of Russian and Iranian forces(together with their Shi'a proxies) in Syria. . Even Turkmens rebels have been labelled terrorists by Moscow. . That's why I said it depends on who you ask.

Turkey-the EU are good partners too .. The EU Countries are also criminal murderer

The EU Countries The UK,France,Germany,Italy,Belgium,The Netherlands,Spain,Portugal killed over 60 million innocent people in America,Africa,Asia and Australia continents

But you claimed Turkey is holy in all its actions. So why will a holy country be cooperating with "mass murder powers" ?
It's like an "angel"claiming he is untainted by world sin but the next minute you seem him dancing and forming with close partnership with the "devil" himself.
How will you look at that angel if you saw such a thing ?

 

[mustafa erkan]

Looks like we are doing operations against Germans, French, Israel,Greeks, Chinese and some Arabic countries. They are crying more than terrorists .

 

[mike2000 is back]

but between 1964 and 1974 savage Greek Cypriots killed many innocent Turkish Cypriots and to demote Turkish status from co-founders of the state to one of minority status, removing their constitutional safeguards in the process

in finally by 1974 , the Turkish Armed Forces saved innocent Turkish Cypriots from savage Greek Cypriots because Turkey claimed that under the 1960 Treaty of Guarantee

Lol Bro, all these doesn't matter. As I said before big powers will always prey on smaller powers that's how it has been since the beginning of mankind and it will be that way as long as we live on this planet.
Do you think that if Cyprus was a big powerful advanced country like say France, Russia,China or UK then Turkey would have invaded a part of their territory iregardless of whatever reasons Turkey came up with? As I said it's all because Cyprus is a small weak country and as such an easy prey. Had it been the opposite then the most Turkey would have done was make some diplomatic protests like with Xinjiang and that would have been it.
Same with how Russia invaded and seized Crimea. Had Crimea been part of the US/China, U.K,France or even a full NATO member , then Russia would have thought twice before even daring to make any move on Crimea. Those are facts.