Turkey defense minister travelled to Russia today and met with Russia defense minister

[cabatli_53]

I think Erdogan is a good leader for Turkey and also for us. He gives an enormous opportunity for attacks and is a projection place for propaganda.

Our leader and interior ministers Salvini is similar.l He hates evrything non euroepan and calls non europeans "human meat". Hypernationalist, openly facist.

Its more honest politics and the best for the nations.




I´m leader of the Forza Italia youth group in our city Lucca. At least i have the power to hunt you out of our city.

Ok, Then drink day/night while singing the songs of your team and "hunt" the groups who support your opponent to show your fascist colors which gets into your blood, While thinking How the World turns around you. It seems That's what you are able to do best in your real life instead of advising the people what is the best for Europe or what Turks should do ! It is the reason I advice you not to pretend as something important while talking about my country and my nation because You don't have any idea what you are talking !

 

[tesla]

The ottomans were the super power of their age, they have seared their mark across the memory of Europeans, the deep seated fear is real




Then why do you keep moaning about ISIS or Erdogan trading with them.
ISIS did the same thing rape and butcher tens of thousands of christians and yazidis

If you want to emulate ISIS traits then why moan about them

Or why moan about a dictatorial Erdogan when you dream of politicians like him taking over Italy and Turkey and locking up liberals

ottomans were war machine ihave big respect them in 17 and 18 , centuries ottomans were fighting same time a lot of powers
north: Polonians and Russians some times they could reach to kiev
west:Habsburgs and italian city states
east:iran

 

[xenon54 out]

@cabatli_53 when i visited Turkey i was not impressed there. Infact it was way below what i consider my standards. You want force me to like it there or see an enemy nation positive? Thats kinda odd.

I went throught Italy last year, it was also way below of what im used to in Switzerland, obsolete infrastructure (even thought the highway was quite expensive), drivers who cant drive (another driver almost squashed a bike rider between me and himself, a nother one was genous enough to drive with no tail lights at all in the night), when we finally went to Slovenia it felt like Europe again, even Croatia was looking better, i dont know why you get so arrogant,some of eastern Europe caught up to your standarts and are sometimes even better, one might think Italy is the climax of human civilisation listening to you, you guys are in a stagnation for decades and its only getting worse as the collapsed bridge proved it once again.
So get off your high horse.

 

[Mamluk]

The Ottoman empire was the arch enemy of the italian city states and enemyship never ends. Thats a simple fact.

Never ends? English and French were the biggest enemies for more than a century and fought more bloody wars than Italy had with Ottomans. I think they are on better terms now.

 

[Tiberius]

100 years ago TURKS fought against british,french,greeks,armenians without food and weapons

and now TURKS have everything , new sanctions ? useless , nothing else

You still dont get it, right? We want a break with Turkey. You say we can humilate you further you Turkey will still crawl towards us?

Let us hope the new sanctions speed up the break up process and bring diplomacy on more rational relations,

Never ends? English and French were the biggest enemies for more than a century and fought more bloody wars than Italy had with Ottomans. I think they are on better terms now.

English and french are brothers.

Turks have nothing with us in common. Thats the difference.

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

Never ends? English and French were the biggest enemies for more than a century and fought more bloody wars than Italy had with Ottomans. I think they are on better terms now.

English and French were allies in WW1 and WW2, the two biggest wars ever.

 

[Tiberius]

English and French were allies in WW1 and WW2, the two biggest wars ever.

WW 1 and WW 2 were not the biggest war ever in europe. Here the biggest war ever was the 30 years war in 16th century.

 

[T-Rex]

Turkey is not a mayor NATO player. Infact it is more a security risk than an asset.

What worth has a NATO member you cant trust in?

At the moment we must take care that Turkey leaves NATO as soon as possible. I´m glad EU blocked Turkey memebrship from day one. It simply doesnt fit.

It's a good thing that Turkey has finally figured out what kind of friends and allies she has been with all these years!

 

[Tiberius]

It's a good thing that Turkey has finally figured out what kind of friends and allies she has been with all these years!

This feeling is shared from our point of view.

We dont see Turkey as friend and ally either and more as a security risk.

So we agree that this farce is better ended as soon as possible.

 

[T-Rex]

Turkey supported ISIS

Stop right there! Your wahabi princes in KSA, UAE and those zionazi scumbags in israel are the actual godfathers of Daesh. Rrump is on record admitting this.

Turkey has no european values and not the same mentality.

And what are those European values may I ask? Is making deals with mafia godfathers like that sissy and MBZ one of those values?

Turkey takes EU and USA citizens as hostages

Who are those 'hostages'? Are you talking about that terror kingpin the Turkish judiciary refuses to release? Perhaps the US should stop providing shelter to that Turkish terror godfather before pointing fingers at Turkey.

Russia is a christian nation. There is far more support for Russia than Turkey. In the past there were proposals to get closer towards Russia. I think in the future we will see much better relations with Russia.

KSA, UAE, Egypt are all Muslim nations aren't they? So what's your point? If only religious nut heads like trump could solve this.

 

[Tiberius]

Stop right there! Your wahabi princes in KSA, UAE and those zionazi scumbags in israel are the actual godfathers of Daesh. Rrump is on record admitting this.



And what are those European values may I ask? Is making deals with mafia godfathers like that sissy and MBZ one of those values?




Who are those 'hostages'? Are you talking about that terror kingpin the Turkish judiciary refuses to release? Perhaps the US should stop providing shelter to that Turkish terror godfather before pointing fingers at Turkey.





KSA, UAE, Egypt are all Muslim nations aren't they? So what's your point? If only religious nut heads like trump could solve this.

Saudi Arabia, Egypt ect are not in a close alliance with us and a shared defense alliance. Its laughable to believe that Turkey would defend a european nation in an act of war. If Greece would be under attack, Turkey would join the attacks. Thats a simple fact. Its also ridicolous to believe turkish troops would fight and die to defend Rome.

The European values are exactly those that you cant understand, because your oriental culture. There are no proves against Gulen. USA cant simply extradict someone when a foreign country demands it. Infact judges decides that. Its not like in oriental countries where president orders and judges follow.

Several turkish officials got asylum in Italy. The "papers" Turkey send Italy were bogus and did not withstand what our courts see as proves.

Its obvious we cant work together, so this should end. Its better for both sides.

 

[damm1t]

Saudi Arabia, Egypt ect are not in a close alliance with us and a shared defense alliance. Its laughable to believe that Turkey would defend a european nation in an act of war. If Greece would be under attack, Turkey would join the attacks. Thats a simple fact. Its also ridicolous to believe turkish troops would fight and die to defend Rome.

The European values are exactly those that you cant understand, because your oriental culture. There are no proves against Gulen. USA cant simply extradict someone when a foreign country demands it. Infact judges decides that. Its not like in oriental countries where president orders and judges follow.

Several turkish officials got asylum in Italy. The "papers" Turkey send Italy were bogus and did not withstand what our courts see as proves.

Its obvious we cant work together, so this should end. Its better for both sides.

Why you even excist ?

 

[Tiberius]

Why you even excist ?

Because my parents had sex. An egg cell got fertilized, then 9 months pregancy ect. Thats how humans are made.

You dont learn biology facts at school?

 

[damm1t]

Because my parents had sex. An egg cell got fertilized, then 9 months pregancy ect. Thats how humans are made.

You dont learn biology facts at school?

Hahaha I didn't ask how you are born. Sorry I think my question was too deep for your level. My bad.

 

[tesla]

Saudi Arabia, Egypt ect are not in a close alliance with us and a shared defense alliance. Its laughable to believe that Turkey would defend a european nation in an act of war. If Greece would be under attack, Turkey would join the attacks. Thats a simple fact. Its also ridicolous to believe turkish troops would fight and die to defend Rome.

The European values are exactly those that you cant understand, because your oriental culture. There are no proves against Gulen. USA cant simply extradict someone when a foreign country demands it. Infact judges decides that. Its not like in oriental countries where president orders and judges follow.

Several turkish officials got asylum in Italy. The "papers" Turkey send Italy were bogus and did not withstand what our courts see as proves.

Its obvious we cant work together, so this should end. Its better for both sides.

there is no union in italy . italy is dividing like a ameba by day by it is ideal for swallow .