TTP Offers Conditional Ceasefire to Govt Of Pakistan

[haviZsultan]

In the above attacks? NO . Your reports are suggesting wrong. as far as my direct sources are concerned no Tank destroyed neither any was deployed on these check posts.

Na, mara.
What are you talking about? I am talking about the war on terror, not about any particular attack or the attack on police recently.

Since then Pakistan army has been using its Al-Zarrar MBT for precision day night attack capability and recently we have been able to watch the video in which an Al-Zarrar tank was shown destroyed.

Excerpt from Grande Strategy

Also Wajahat Ali Khan has claimed Zarrar's have been destroyed in his award winning documentary we are soldiers... This can be confirmed further because a husk of a Zarrar tank was found. I don't know if army is willing to share details like where this Zarrar tank's was destroyed so I won't share the details. But it was caught on tape... even by Al jazeera.

It is suggested there may be more they have destroyed throughout the war... one was caught on tape.

Also APC's have been destroyed too. There was a story about one. A lieutenant colonel was killed using the anti aircraft gun on militants too. My point is by basically these are state assets being destroyed.

If US or India attacks us they are meant to be used against them... but kharijites are people who Allah hasn't given a brain so they usually act like idiots. AzadPakistan said crush them with tanks... I told him thats not going to work down there in the Sulaimani mountains. You can confirm with ISPR. Though if you know good english speak in english... they have a similar brown guy looking down on a brown guy issue like our embassy in Canada did.

 

[Zarvan]

Zarvan do you think before you post? In short you are saying you want Taliban rule in Pakistan.

We are the founders of modern day secularism (research Averoes) and we are the ones making suggestions of imposing things and locking women up in their homes.

Zarvan I have always held that only an insecure, weak mind whose ideology is extremely weak feels the need to impose his ideology through the use of laws and demands. Its imbecilic policy and all it is doing is showing to the world that while they are advancing we are stuck on inconsequential issues such as ethnicity, provincialism, regionalism, religious differences or sect. If one doesn't think too highly of his ethnic group he turns out to be a religious bigot.

If we had been strong, developed ourselves... not given up ijtehad, the ancient form of debate our scholars started with "I may be wrong but" (the height of tolerance) we would have been elsewhere today. Do you know from where modern secularism comes? It comes from a Moorish Muslim named Averoes.

Many Muslims in our past have been close to it including Akbar who introduced the Din E Ilahi (another form of Ijtehad-scholarly debate) and Pir Roshan who ran an ancient secular movement known as the Roshaniya. At that time people were following our ideology, our scientific developments were being introduced in the west. Now look at us. We are stuck at non-consequential issues.

I suggest you stop making Islam look so weak and do something productive... in this time and age the best thing you can do is educate or help the poor move to a better standard of living since they make up about 70% of our countries population. Religion is not something to be imposed... once someone starts believing he has to impose something his ideology is weak. If we were rich, powerful and strong we would automatically dominate.

That will never happen when takfiri Taliban decide to attack our military institutions, damage our orions and other facilities.

The TTP are children of Abdul Wahab. Research his history if you want and find out how many women and children he killed and how he was supported by the British.



It would be wise if you keep your nonsense comments to yourself.

Islamic laws are enforced in Islamic societies and if governments will not do it than people will rise up and do it on their own even if that leads to the most bloody war

 

[Amaa'n]

Islamic laws are enforced in Islamic societies and if governments will not do it than people will rise up and do it on their own even if that leads to the most bloody war

either you arebhigh or just messing around.
islam wants you to accept things not force things, do you support killing and taking innocent lives in due process of implementing islamic laws

 

[KRAIT]

No negotiations. Bomb them, smoke them out and make an example of them. Its time we get rid of terrorism from our region.

 

[Amaa'n]

US tried that and so did USSR and it didn't workout very well fir either of them

 

[Kashmiri Nationalist]

@balixd

You make the mistake of associating the Afghani Taliban and Pakistani Taliban as the same, they're not. The USSR/US tried to take control of Afghanistan and force a regime change, this is Pakistan we're talking about - the war is on home territory - not abroad, and most Tribals don't support the Taliban as it is.

 

[Solomon2]

Islamic laws are enforced in Islamic societies and if governments will not do it than people will rise up and do it on their own even if that leads to the most bloody war

At what point is this supposed to happen, exactly? When the gov't shoots everyone who doesn't obey? When the gov't permits non-Muslims to pray freely and doesn't collect taxes from them? Or when a gov't official decides to eat some non-halal cheese?

Who makes such decisions?

 

[CENTCOM]

yar common understand the situation. they are attaking army. army is the only hope after ALLAH.
T.T.p is supported by USA they use NATO weapons. they use afghanistan province to hide. why aren't americans killing them in afghanistan?? why americans only kill haqqani's in dron attacks??
because they dont fight pak army and they fight only agaisnt opperessor USA in afghanista. stop being ignorant.

the Law will be implemended on the right time just wait and see.

This is not the first time the TTP has asked Pakistan to part ways with the U.S. They see our nations as a common barrier that’s preventing them from achieving their evil agenda. In fact, this is what the Taliban spokesman, Ahsanullah Ahsan, said after the attack on the U.S. convoy in Peshawar last year: "The diplomatic staff of all NATO countries are our targets. We will continue such attacks. Pakistan is our first target, and America is our second."
Those who still choose to side with conspiracy theories are simply providing these terrorists the leeway to further their evil agenda. We are fighting a common war and wish to see peace prevail throughout the region. We cannot let conspiracy theories deter us from achieving our shared objectives. We must continue to work side by side for the sake of bringing peace and stability to the region.

Ali Khan
DET, United States Central Command
U.S. Central Command

 

[haviZsultan]

This is not the first time the TTP has asked Pakistan to part ways with the U.S. They see our nations as a common barrier that’s preventing them from achieving their evil agenda. In fact, this is what the Taliban spokesman, Ahsanullah Ahsan, said after the attack on the U.S. convoy in Peshawar last year: "The diplomatic staff of all NATO countries are our targets. We will continue such attacks. Pakistan is our first target, and America is our second."
Those who still choose to side with conspiracy theories are simply providing these terrorists the leeway to further their evil agenda. We are fighting a common war and wish to see peace prevail throughout the region. We cannot let conspiracy theories deter us from achieving our shared objectives. We must continue to work side by side for the sake of bringing peace and stability to the region.

Ali Khan
DET, United States Central Command
U.S. Central Command

Lol @t another wasted effort at PR. :ROFL:

Actions speak louder... aim half as much of your drone strikes on Hakimullah and his men as you do on Gul bahadur, Nazir, Hekmatyar and Haqqani and then we can begin to take you seriously. You kill Hakimullah Mahseed... you shut me mouth for a month. Guarantee.

No Nationalist speeches calling for US out of Pakistan. No war-mongering for a few months... though I do feel we won't forget how our country has been used as a colonial tool to further your interests.

 

[haviZsultan]

At what point is this supposed to happen, exactly? When the gov't shoots everyone who doesn't obey? When the gov't permits non-Muslims to pray freely and doesn't collect taxes from them? Or when a gov't official decides to eat some non-halal cheese?

Who makes such decisions?

Fun to see son of the U-S of A** Zarvan and Solomon facing off together. Didn't you president Truman pump... what was it 3 Billion? 4 Billion? into the Afghan-Soviet Jihad? While Afghanistan was being ruined by the so-called Mujahideen's rockets, Kabul reduced to a pathetic little husk of a city USA was sitting there celebrating the downfall of communism. Sanctions were imposed on Pakistan as a reward for supporting USA. USA met Haqqani and ur president said he and people like him were the modern forefathers of Afghanistan comparing them to the founders of the USA.

In the meantime 2 million or 3 million Afghans got killed as the mujahideen factions like wahdat, dostum's gang and shah massouds people et all fell at each others throats. When did USA wake up... only when its towers were blown up. Did they give a damn about the millions of Afghans being killed in the meantime? A big fat no.

You created people like them and now we have to face the mess. Fun how this country interferes across half the world where it has no role and then acts like angel of righteousness from that C-grade hollywood movie? I even forgot the name... but perhaps 500 years from now people will have the pleasure of forgetting something like America ever existed.

 

[Amaa'n]

@balixd

You make the mistake of associating the Afghani Taliban and Pakistani Taliban as the same, they're not. The USSR/US tried to take control of Afghanistan and force a regime change, this is Pakistan we're talking about - the war is on home territory - not abroad, and most Tribals don't support the Taliban as it is.

ops my bad, i might have misread your comment, but believe me i know the difference between Afghan Taliban and Pakistani Taliban

 

[Kashmiri Nationalist]

Do that you will pay heavy price.... They don't fear death, your army does...

Incorrect. Pakistani soldiers believe in their cause - Pakistan - for which they have taken the paths to give their lives for. One does not join the military solely for the purpose of parades. After all, if you observe the culture of the military, the honouring of martyrs and the culture of literature (post potently, epitaphs that show their selflessness in service).

You make the mistake of calling coward soldiers of a nation that have borne the greatest brunt of a war that has sent super-powers retreating yet still stand tall in eliminating the enemy. Say what you will about 1971 and the tactical short-comings of 1948 and 1965, but the fact remains that the Pakistani Army was able to hold at bay a much, much larger force out of sacrifice and bravery, if nothing else.

Do that you will pay heavy price.... They don't fear death, your army does...

Incorrect. Pakistani soldiers believe in their cause - Pakistan - for which they have taken the paths to give their lives for. One does not join the military solely for the purpose of parades. After all, if you observe the culture of the military, the honouring of martyrs and the culture of literature (post potently, epitaphs that show their selflessness in service).

You make the mistake of calling coward soldiers of a nation that have borne the greatest brunt of a war that has sent super-powers retreating yet still stand tall in eliminating the enemy. Say what you will about 1971 and the tactical short-comings of 1948 and 1965, but the fact remains that the Pakistani Army was able to hold at bay a much, much larger force out of sacrifice and bravery, if nothing else.

 

[Kashmiri Nationalist]

ops my bad, i might have misread your comment, but believe me i know the difference between Afghan Taliban and Pakistani Taliban

The Afghans are what this tradition of being historically unbeatable (which I personally believe is based on false pretences - there is nothing such as a "warrior race" or rather, the supremacy of races) is laid upon, not Pakistan.

This reputation is based on the destruction of foreign, outside occupational forces infringing on the freedom of Afghanistan. Hypothetically we can accept this "unbeatable" argument for the TTP but ultimately we will come to the point of realising that the TTP is the aggressor against the Pakistani Nation and its embodiment in the State, not vice-versa.

The Pakistani State is based upon the fundemental principles laid down in the Pakistan Movement by Iqbal and Jinnah; which are freedoms of religion, movement, speech and association, as well as tolerance for all casts, creeds, religions and sects. This is in accordance with Islamic Jurisprudence and Principles.

On the other hand, we have the TTP which follow a fascist 'interpretation' of Islam which is against what Islam is (I will try to summarise an otherwise lengthy topic), and the State of Pakistan, which is based upon the principles of Islam. Sure, the TTP may follow certain Sunnah, but Sunnah is not to be forces on others, rather, it is our personal struggle - our test and nobody elses - but by forcing it on people they are conducting actions against Islam. Other than this, a lot of their actions are wholly against the fundementals of Islamic Warfare (the codes of war in Islam) by the beheading of soldiers and such.

Lastly, I would like to question whether taking up arms against the State, when violence is the last option in Islam ("to kill one person is to kill the whole of humanity") rather than politically addressing the issue peacefully without the death of innocents, is Islamic. (Hint: it isn't.)

P.S: Don't confuse the 'unbeatable' reputation of the Afghan people with the Afghan Taliban; Afghans earnt that reputation collectively, it wasn't the Taliban, but rather, the amalgamation of different strands of Afghanistan into collective resistance against the Soviets. After the Afghan war, the civil war erupted within, which the Taliban "won" (by sheer brutality against combatents and civilians alike, the latter on racial/ethnic grounds, may I add), as it was an internal war and not one against an external force, you can't give this sort of reputation to the Talibs.

 

[Solomon2]

Didn't you president Truman pump...interferes across half the world where it has no role and then acts like angel of righteousness from that C-grade hollywood movie? I even forgot the name... but perhaps 500 years from now people will have the pleasure of forgetting something like America ever existed.

In other words, you are too uncomfortable to answer my questions about Sharia law because you are too envious of America's great role in the world and the great justice and fairness - compared to Pakistan - that the American flag represents.

You've given up the ideological battle in favor of a rhetorical one. That doesn't last forever, kid. Nor will people respect you in the long run for it. Your choices are to join the armed gang of criminals or to change your mind by seeking something else. Which will it be?

 

[haviZsultan]

In other words, you are too uncomfortable to answer my questions about Sharia law because you are too envious of America's great role in the world and the great justice and fairness - compared to Pakistan - that the American flag represents.

You've given up the ideological battle in favor of a rhetorical one. That doesn't last forever, kid. Nor will people respect you in the long run for it. Your choices are to join the armed gang of criminals or to change your mind by seeking something else. Which will it be?

Lol... I believe you are a neo-con fanatic. I am not in favor of Sharia law nor have I ever stated it. I am in favor of a secular nationalist system that draws a few parallels from Ataturk's turkey but if you want to go deeper built on the concepts of Averoes or Ibn Rushd-and drawing some things from Pir Roshan's ideas and the ancient concept of ijtehad... these were the founders of secularism who first proposed the ideology.

But do me a favor and read up on history... check out where you guys started interfering across the world and where violent terror became a norm and you will find a direct co-relation.

Read this:

List of terrorist incidents, 2000 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Now read this and count the number of terror attacks:

List of terrorist incidents, January

If you have the energy do it for the years in between. Whats it show... a steady rise in terror attacks. You will also notice Yemen, Pakistan, somalia and Iraq... perfect before now on the list Basically you manufactured a war and have exported it elsewhere. We aren't going to kiss you on the cheek for it.

You are the one avoiding the reality i have shoved in your face... but I am not surprised. Ibn Abdul Wahab the father of modern terrorism was supported by the british to overthrow Hejaz government and now they are the rulers of Saudi Arabia. Violent Jihad against Soviets was supported by US and it fanaticized people from this region for ever. You are basically talking to your child... look at it this way... you have given @Zarvan a knife and now the only thing is he isn't willing to give the knife back. You ran away and now know Zarvan will use either the knife on himself or his countrymen.

Envious of what? 200,000 innocent people killed in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Being the only country to have used nukes and still having the hard-headedness to dare and tell the world about nukes. Lol. This nation is a mistake on the world map. lol. It would be curse having any association with it.

Time for Ron Paul... i'd say... only sane man left in your land. But you won't support him.