Trump May Roll Out Probe Into China and Intellectual Property Theft

[maximuswarrior]

President Donald Trump on Monday may roll out a long-expected initiative to direct an investigation into China's trade practices, with a particular emphasis on alleged intellectual property theft, two administration sources told NBC News.

Alleged intellectual property theft by China has been an issue of particular concern to Silicon Valley.

If Trump announces the investigation, it would come at a time as Trump and members of his administration has called on China to do more to rein in North Korea amid recent intercontinental ballistic missile tests.

Trump said Friday that he planned to call Chinese President Xi Jinping that evening.

Plans could change for Monday — it's not definite that Trump will announce an investigation, but the two administration sources said it is a possibility and a third described it as likely. Trump on Friday said that he will spend Monday in Washington, D.C., in a trip during his "working vacation" in Bedminster, New Jersey.

One expert on China and the region said that China could feel betrayed if Trump does announce the investigation.

China, an ally and trading partner of North Korea, voted for a United Nations Security Council resolution that passed 15-0 on Saturday imposing tough new sanctions on North Korea over the missile tests.

"I firmly believe that we need to impose costs on China," Gordon Chang, who has written extensively about China, told NBC News. "But on the other hand, I think the Chinese would justly feel double-crossed" if the investigation was announced so soon after the U.N. vote., and if U.S. officials had made prior assurances to China about the trade action.

Trump on the campaign trail railed against what he called China's unfair trade practices. Trump recently has accused China of doing little to help curtail North Korea’s missile tests.

A 2013 report by the Commission on the Theft of American Intellectual Property that was updated in February says that China is the world’s principal intellectual property infringer.

The updated report estimated the overall annual loss to the U.S. economy from counterfeit goods, pirated software, and theft of trade secrets at more than $255 billion.

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/pol...a-intellectual-property-theft-sources-n792001

The theft of American IP and know-how is about as pathetic as it comes.

Who on earth is going to take Trumpland seriously? LOL The Indians?

You guys exclusively own that right of cheer-leading!

Says the Indian who puts a dot on his forehead to worship Trump LOL

 

[TaiShang]

Who on earth is going to take Trumpland seriously? LOL The Indians?

His hands are full. Lol. If I were him, I would be more concerned about the 50% non-white that are working tirelessly to overthrow his regime.

And Trump's core is being victimized by the first generation or foreign born immigrants.

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US BESET BY ACUTE RACIAL TENSION AS STRENGTH SLIDES

GLOBAL TIMES

US President Donald Trump harshly denounced racism and white supremacy Monday, but the protesters are furious that the denunciation came two days after the deadly rally in Charlottesville, Virginia. "Two days are too late," thousands of demonstrators chanted as Trump headed to his New York home Monday for the first time since taking office.

A number of business leaders announced they would quit Trump's team of advisors. Protesters against white supremacy in Durham, North Carolina, tore down the statue of General Robert E. Lee, leader of the Confederate forces in the Civil War, and there are more signs of racial conflict elsewhere in the country. The US seems to be struggling with chaos.

Compared with previous administrations, recently race relations have been much more strained during Trump's term. However, today's race conflicts are nothing compared with those of the 1960s and 1970s, and thus there are ways to play down the current tensions.

But the Charlottesville violence is serious as it is not an isolated affair. Apart from the long-standing divide among different ethnic groups in US society, today's racial tensions are rising under new backgrounds.

The US is seeing sliding national strength, and globalization has struck a blow to the interests of middle- and lower-class whites. This is the new source of US anxieties. If society can't work out a solution, these anxieties will be transformed into domestic issues, especially racial conflicts. The issue of race in today's US has its origin in a number of factors and thus may have staying power.

Trump said he was strongly against taking in more immigrants on the campaign trail. After assuming office, Trump is the president of all Americans, but some white supremacists still regard him as "theirs" and believe their time has come.

Social welfare resources are less abundant than before, and minority groups are increasingly competitive. The competition for welfare and other resources is unprecedentedly intense between white people and minorities, with shrinking leeway for both sides.

Racial tensions were a major human rights and political issue in the 1960s and 1970s, but now it is increasingly penetrating everyday life in the US, intertwining with many other issues.

Samuel P Huntington's Who Are We? The Challenges to America's National Identity explored the US' political and cultural divergences arising from Hispanic migration to the US, but today's racial problems are more sophisticated than those he described. Daily survival has become an important driving force in the issue of race. There are frequent reports about minorities being targets of xenophobic sentiment, and many ordinary white people, who are supposed to be meek, have joined in the racial hatred.

Uniting different racial groups is a major challenge for mainstream US society. The US president is unprecedentedly attacked by public opinion, but simultaneously supported by many.

In the past half century, the US has been vigorously interfering into other countries' affairs without being disturbed by domestic chaos. With strategic confidence, the US regards nothing as a problem. But the country is undergoing a slow, but seemingly irreversible change, which is gradually eroding the US' confidence

http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1061527.shtml

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

What theft??? The US companies themselves are transferring technologies, developed with billions of $, in truck loads to China!!!! In the past, the Chinese companies used to work for the USA, now it's reversed!!! All companies in my town are geared toward having a Chinese market share!!!

 

[qwerrty]

What theft??? The US companies themselves are transferring technologies, developed with billions of $, in truck loads to China!!!! In the past, the Chinese companies used to work for the USA, now it's reversed!!! All companies in my town are geared toward having a Chinese market share!!!

exactly! there's no need to do this stupid probe. all they have to do is leave the country. the new chinese security laws are simple; they don't want their sh1ts. nobody is forcing them. it's their own companies that voluntarily handing over their IPs, so that china can see that they are not spying.. lol

 

[gambit]

exactly! there's no need to do this stupid probe. all they have to do is leave the country. the new chinese security laws are simple; they don't want their sh1ts. nobody is forcing them. it's their own companies that voluntarily handing over their IPs, so that china can see that they are not spying.. lol

Security laws ? No one believes that. I used to work for Micron, one of the major DRAM manufacturers in the world and Mu have fabs in mainland China. I was in Micron Shanghai helped getting that site up.

In order to do business in China, companies must partner with a Chinese company. Everyone knows that is the best way for China to gain knowledge and grow. Essentially, China's technological progress are to be DIRECTLY piggy backed on foreigners. So please do not try to deceive anyone -- least of all me -- about some nonsensical security laws. I talked to our Micron lawyers and they know the real deal.

But that is not what the Trump administration is talking about. We are talking about Chinese companies that profits OUTSIDE of those agreements.

Something like this...

That is a six yrs old article and the problem has gotten worse.

Currently, I am directly involved in Intel's new memory line call 3D Crosspoint or 3DXP as known inside. According to my friends, there is a debate on whether Intel should allow the Dalian fab to manufacture the new product because of the fear of IP theft.

Security laws ?

 

[qwerrty]

Security laws ? No one believes that. I used to work for Micron, one of the major DRAM manufacturers in the world and Mu have fabs in mainland China. I was in Micron Shanghai helped getting that site up.

In order to do business in China, companies must partner with a Chinese company. Everyone knows that is the best way for China to gain knowledge and grow. Essentially, China's technological progress are to be DIRECTLY piggy backed on foreigners. So please do not try to deceive anyone -- least of all me -- about some nonsensical security laws. I talked to our Micron lawyers and they know the real deal.

leave if you dont like it. nobody is forcing you

But that is not what the Trump administration is talking about. We are talking about Chinese companies that profits OUTSIDE of those agreements.

they are whining about that

http://www.eetimes.com/document.asp?doc_id=1332157&

 

[patero]

exactly! there's no need to do this stupid probe. all they have to do is leave the country. the new chinese security laws are simple; they don't want their sh1ts. nobody is forcing them. it's their own companies that voluntarily handing over their IPs, so that china can see that they are not spying.. lol

Yeah I don't think a probe is going to accomplish much, in fact it will probably backfire and create a Chinese consumer backlash against US brands. Case in point was Chevy's court battle over the Cherry QQ (an exact duplicate of the Chevy Spark), and the reaction from Chinese consumers which forced them to drop the case.

Western companies, not just US firms, should probably follow Microsoft's example and forget trying to battle against piracy or counterfeiting in China. As long as they can protect international markets against the export of counterfeits they will still make plenty of profit. Over time much of the manufacturing in many sectors will be moved to other low cost developing countries anyway, but it should be noted that many brands being counterfeited or pirated are not manufactured in China, software such as Windows being an obvious example. So blaming Western companies for the piracy/counterfeiting doesn't always hold true.

 

[gambit]

leave if you dont like it. nobody is forcing you

So essentially, you are condoning intellectual theft.

If you disagree with the concept of 'intellectual property', then you should have no problems being charged with intellectual theft. You do not believe in the concept in the first place, so why should you care, right ?

So come out and be proud of your beliefs.

they are whining about that

http://www.eetimes.com/document.asp?doc_id=1332157&

The US semicon companies are supporting the Trump administration in investigating China's rampant IP theft.

So settle the record if you have the balls...

Do YOU support China's intellectual property theft ?

Western companies, not just US firms, should probably follow Microsoft's example and forget trying to battle against piracy or counterfeiting in China.

If foreign companies give up the battle, that does not mean the Chinese government should give up as well. If anything, have some self respect. You forced the foreigners into partnerships so the least you can do is to protect those partnerships, right ?

 

[patero]

If foreign companies give up the battle, that does not mean the Chinese government should give up as well. If anything, have some self respect. You forced the foreigners into partnerships so the least you can do is to protect those partnerships, right ?

I'll clarify my earlier statement, Western firms should do what is practical and contain the piracy/counterfeiting problem to the Chinese market. If the Chinese government had any real intent to solve the issue, more would have been done about it by now. I'm being realistic rather than supporting the IP theft.

I use the case of Microsoft as an example of how they basically gave up on charging for Windows in China but got creative and focused on generating revenue off cloud based services, which I guess is not really giving up. They worked around the problem instead.

 

[qwerrty]

So essentially, you are condoning intellectual theft.

If you disagree with the concept of 'intellectual property', then you should have no problems being charged with intellectual theft. You do not believe in the concept in the first place, so why should you care, right ?

So come out and be proud of your beliefs.


The US semicon companies are supporting the Trump administration in investigating China's rampant IP theft.

So settle the record if you have the balls...

Do YOU support China's intellectual property theft ?

dude, american firms on their knees begging china to take their sh1ts like a b1tch. that's boss, not theft. you are confusing..

 

[gambit]

If the Chinese government had any real intent to solve the issue,...

Everyone, including the Chinese government, knows the Chinese government have NO interests in resolving the IP theft problem. China's technological rise practically depends on it.

dude, american firms on their knees begging china to take their sh1ts like a b1tch. that's boss, not theft. you are confusing..

Simple question...

Do YOU support China's intellectual property theft ?

 

[patero]

Everyone, including the Chinese government, knows the Chinese government have NO interests in resolving the IP theft problem. China's technological rise practically depends on it.

I spent time in Shenzhen when I lived in Hong Kong, and I've seen the sheer scale of the piracy/counterfeiting. It's just going to be impossible to stop it. Occasionally Chinese courts make a token effort at enforcing IP laws as was seen recently with Michael Jordan's brand, but it's just as easy today to buy knock-offs of western brands in China as it ever was.

I have a direct interest in this issue as it relates to the strategic planning for my new business. We are currently in start up phase and are developing in our home market of New Zealand first, and plan on developing export markets in about 3-4 years. I have already had two expressions of interest from Chinese businessmen in contract manufacturing in China, and whilst it is still a few years away I have already identified both the opportunity and threat in this option. The decision to choose this option will be made by the strategic planning process when we reach that crossroads, but my gut feeling right now is that we will avoid the Chinese market completely because of the inherent risks.

There is a considerable amount of unique IP in our new business, I've been developing the product range for many years now. Sacrificing one potential market, no matter how big, will probably prove to be a better option than losing control of our IP.

 

[gambit]

...but my gut feeling right now is that we will avoid the Chinese market completely because of the inherent risks.

Before I left Micron, I met an attorney who used to work for Micron and left to start his own tech law firm. He told me that Intel's and Micron's bosses entered China with eyes fully wide opened. They are willing to accept X losses even though they are willing to fight against IP theft they know is inevitable. Being eyes wide opened is one thing. Being prescient enough is another.

 

[patero]

Before I left Micron, I met an attorney who used to work for Micron and left to start his own tech law firm. He told me that Intel's and Micron's bosses entered China with eyes fully wide opened. They are willing to accept X losses even though they are willing to fight against IP theft they know is inevitable. Being eyes wide opened is one thing. Being prescient enough is another.

Yeah I fully agree with that. In my time as a manager for an Australian company in HK I was continually encountering new scams across the border, every time I thought I'd seen it all something unexpected would come along.

The danger for the future of our venture is spending the time and resources to develop a Chinese market, only to have that market used as leverage against us. Export certification for China, particularly in our sector, is difficult and the goal posts shift (often deliberately).

Some Australian and New Zealand firms lose this certification suddenly and without any transparency, and its often a tactic to apply leverage for various reasons. The 'local partner' can often be a party to this, who will usually be the biggest threat to a foreign firm, either working secretly with that firms competitors or in some cases secretly becoming a competitor.

 

[shadows888]

Everyone, including the Chinese government, knows the Chinese government have NO interests in resolving the IP theft problem. China's technological rise practically depends on it.


Simple question...

Do YOU support China's intellectual property theft ?

rofl, only idealist and fools plays fair. the winner writes history remember?