Traitors...

[Secur]

oh and i forget , what happen to those statements where Army Generals have called 92 Operation a fake .. but still no trail , no punishment buddy ? why /?

Yeah, both the Director General IB and Corps Commander Karachi were clear when they called the basis of the Operation fake. An operation originally conceived against dacoits of the province ended up against a political party and a race. How many condemnations were passed in any provincial assembly or national assembly for the slain 15000 Urdu-speaking people? None, then they will say how equal treatment is meted out in this country and ask us to drop the tag.

So the issue is with the confession being videotaped? Well, as for why they videotaped it, your guess is as good as mine so it's pointless to argue over it.

It was reduced greatly after the recent arrests.

No, special treatment in MQM's case and bending of rules. They didn't even arrest Uzair Baloch, did they?

Nope, the kill sequence of 5-8-10 is still going strong. I refuse to believe that Karachi operation is moving in the right direction or producing the desired results.

 

[Bratva]

Hang the criminals who did it, be done with it. Whats the problem there?

Going in circles! How does it matter first of all? How is a traitor different from a traitor? And where's the support coming from? ZM is involved with many things for which there is ample proof but nobody cares right? It takes the name of MQM to wake up the masses and politicians, condemnation-calls for article 6 and resolutions follow soon after. For others, its just a slap on the wrist on virtue of their "blood status".

The problem is the higher ups like Hammad siddique, babur ghori and likes of him who gave the orders are still at large.

ZM knows how to cover it's tracks. If there were ample proof, he would've bite the dust. Does ZM said haram zada or kutta to DG ISI rizwan akhtar ? AH couple months back said that to rizwan akhtar.

Remember the famous allegations of ZM against Altaf hussain in year 2010 ? and AH didn't deny any of that

 

[rockstar08]

Yeah, both the Director General IB and Corps Commander Karachi were clear when they called the basis fake. How many condemnations were passed in any provincial assembly or national assembly for the slain 15000 Urdu speaking people?

Forget about Condemning it buddy , they are so stubborn to even call it massacre ..
you know today i realize that Why that Harm khor Jamati , called my brother , in front me and my 60 year old father , that killing a Muhajir is like killing a Dog ...
so much respect they got for their " Pakistani " brothers lolz

 

[Bratva]

no no You missed my point .. I said , you got the prove hang the killers ... no Argument .. but let me ask you that what was the Kasoor of Hamid mir and Saleem Shahzad ? who killed them ? where is the investigation stand ?
and how MQM criminals killing a journalist make the entire MQM a terrorist party ?

Were killers of Hamid mir and Saleem shehzad were traced like Babur walli khan killers ?

 

[TankMan]

yeah but what value a Criminal have ?

Meray bhai, only a criminal can confess to a crime (and his affiliations to other criminals). A criminal's confession has enough value to be investigated. That's also how it is in the West, whether or not you think that's right is another debate.

No cause that does not serve your Ego isnt ?

My ego? Since when are we discussing anything related to my personal affairs or ego? I don't have any ego when it comes to politics. Let's keep it that way without comments on each other's character.

 

[Secur]

The problem is the higher ups like Hammad siddique, babur ghori and likes of him who gave the orders are still at large.

ZM knows how to cover it's tracks. If there were ample proof, he would've bite the dust.

The problem is that you fail to grasp the purpose of the thread. No one has two minds about what to do with criminals but with evidence, don't target and dump while calling it police encounter. Law enforcement gets worse than militancy at times, here.

Were killers of Hamid mir and Saleem shehzad were traced like Babur walli khan killers ?

How would they be? If you know what I mean

Again unequal, see!

 

[chauvunist]

People with blind fold need to differentite Criticism from humiliating the armed forces and motivating followers to take up arms against the state..For example Pakistani members criticize Armed forces all the time but only Indian members here try to humiliate our forces...Go figure

The language used by AH was no different from Indian's using here,so justifying the filthy language used by their leader for which even their drunkard leader himself apologized is so ridiculous...

 

[rockstar08]

Meray bhai, only a criminal can confess to a crime (and his affiliations to other criminals). A criminal's confession has enough value to be investigated. That's also how it is in the West, whether or not you think that's right is another debate.

but confession in a jail still worth nothing ... it does not consider as a prove ..
and in that case why the entire Pakistan has denied the Confession of Kasab ? you accept he was sent my LeJ or whatever with help of ISI ?
and in West a SSP wont come to media with some printed papers , and declare a entire party " Traitors " that shit only happen in Pakistan

Were killers of Hamid mir and Saleem shehzad were traced like Babur walli khan killers ?

lol , and do tell me why the investigation stopped ?

The Journalist And the Spies - The New Yorker

 

[Secur]

Forget about Condemning it buddy , they are so stubborn to even call it massacre ..
you know today i realize that Why that Harm khor Jamati , called my brother , in front me and my 60 year old father , that killing a Muhajir is like killing a Dog ...
so much respect they got for their " Pakistani " brothers lolz

Nope, even after everybody involved at the top has admitted it a hoax. Still people are content with the armed forces performance against its citizens back then. That is how it works in this country. Blind military worship is a pillar of the state.

Who? No one votes for JI anymore, not after Munawwar Hasan's leadership. The reasons are simple.

Meray bhai, only a criminal can confess to a crime (and his affiliations to other criminals). A criminal's confession has enough value to be investigated. That's also how it is in the West, whether or not you think that's right is another debate.

I am sorry but you seem to be filled with idealism, come back to the real world please. That isn't how things operate in this country, there are a hundred different dissimilarities between the law enforcement in west and Pakistan. They don't exactly play it "by the book" here.

 

[rockstar08]

Nope, even after everybody involved at the top has admitted it a hoax. Still people are content with the armed forces performance against its citizens back then. That is how it works in this country. Blind military worship is a pillar of the state or at least considered as such.

Who?

Bhai i also love Army .. there is no doubt in that ... but i stand with my point ..
if the Pakistani's have learn to accept the Urdu speaking people , there wont be any MQM in the first place ..
every community has its Quota of traitors but the wrath of Establishment unleash on only One .. this is wrong ..

A Jamati in Urdu University .. they force my brother to cancel his admission when only his last year left for Graduation .. just because we have no Political affiliation , no Pauwa , no money ... and my father refused to take help from APMSO , my brother has to leave university ..

 

[TankMan]

lots of people reveled many things , but yet again we choose selective isnt it true ?

We tend to discuss all kinds of revelations. Not selective at all. When it comes to believing said revelations, Saulat's are backed by a lot of evidence, others' confessions and so on.

MQM is involved in crimes, stop trying to defend the indefensible. It is utterly pointless. It does, however, demonstrate how effective the ethnic victim card is.

but confession in a jail still worth nothing ... it does not consider as a prove ..

Who says so? A confession while in custody is perfectly valid as long as there is no evidence of coercion. Most criminals confess when they are in custody, and their confessions are considered valid under every legal system.

 

[Secur]

A Jamati in Urdu University .. they force my brother to cancel his admission when only his last year left for Graduation .. just because we have no Political affiliation , no Pauwa , no money ... and my father refused to take help from APMSO , my brother has to leave university ..

Sorry to hear that, but there must been someone you should have asked for help. Since when have IJT attained such power in universities and why?

MQM is involved in crimes

But then again, no one is denying that. What exactly are you arguing on?

 

[TankMan]

I am sorry but you seem to be filled with idealism, come back to the real world please. That isn't how things operate in this country, there are a hundred different dissimilarities between the law enforcement in west and Pakistan. They don't exactly play it "by the book" here.

Read @rockstar08 's post #61:

buddy you live in UK ... tomorrow do me a favor , go to a Court and ask a Profession Lawyer , that will they accept a Confession video of a terrorist ?
buddy its justice , not some Church to make confession , in the name of Father , son and holy ghost

He wanted to know whether criminals' confessions are considered valid in the west. Of course they are. That is the real world too, no bull about idealism going on here.

Of course they don't always play it by the book in Pakistan. But does that mean we should not even investigate allegations? How does that even matter? Let's stop spinning webs and get to the point. Are you saying his confession was forced? Fine, let's say it was and it's invalid. What then?

You're talking as if they've done anything other than just investigate his allegations. This argument would have been valid if the entire MQM leadership was in jail right now because of Saulat's confession. But they aren't.

 

[rockstar08]

We tend to discuss all kinds of revelations. Not selective at all. When it comes to believing said revelations, Saulat's are backed by a lot of evidence, others' confessions and so on.

MQM is involved in crimes, stop trying to defend the indefensible. It is utterly pointless. It does, however, demonstrate how effective the ethnic victim card is.

and what you gain from discussion ? i didnt see UB hanging ? i didnt see any of those who involved in 92 Operation hanged ? i dont see anyone get charged with police torture , and fake encounters by Police ? i still didnt see any raid in ZM house , i still didnt see any action against CM Punjab who order to kill 20 PAT workers shooting them on point blank range ?
evidence exist for all the crimes i mentioned .. you need to see it buddy ..
go and have trip to Mango pir , Banaras , Kati pahari , Sohrab goat , Afghan basti , and other areas of Karachi ...
or yeah brave enough to go deep inside the Liyari and come back alive we will further talk

 

[TankMan]

But then again, no one is denying that. What exactly are you arguing on?

@rockstar08 apparently is denying that. These posts were addressed to him, not you. Apologies if there was any confusion.

and what you gain from discussion ?

My point exactly.