Traditional chinese costume . We eliminate your misunderstanding of Chinese costume and hairstyle.

[Snomannen]

Did I say anything about good Nazis? You were the one who started with the Nazi stuffs, while I just wanted to see more beautiful costumes.

Of course I am the one who started the Nazi stuff, I didn't mead that you do. Its just an example. You can see as many beautiful costumes as you wish, but you also need to understand the true color of those people who are promoting this costume and why am I wasting so much time with op. It has a reason and you can't "stop" doing this.

You have to understand that I'm trying to protect my country from extremism and racism.

 

[Huaren]

No China and Japan only learned from "create-and-invent-everything" Mighty Korea.

I have never met any korean nationalists who would go that far with such claims, ofc they would dispute the origin of some cultural aspects, and more than that they would make rediculous territorial claim like northeastern China should be rightly korean (in extrem case also including the coastal region of china), also japan should be destroyed and colonized by koreans. However all of them would uniformly argue that such "create-and-invent-everything" claims are made up by the Japanese (and taiwanese) without any base, the purpose of such fast spreading rumors is to ruin the korean image and sour the relationship with mainland chinese. Despite everything personally I would still trust koreans more than japanese.

Its not the clothing makes you a Nazi, but the people. If you have ever visited their forums you would have changed your point of view to this so-called Hanfu movement. They always tell you that they are not standing against Manchurian yet what they have been doing is to promote their "hanfu" by spreading rumors and fabricate the truth (such as "Hanfu has been dispearing for hundreds year" and "how Manchurian committed genocide to Han people during the war between qing and ming" yet many of the crimes were committed by Han people themselves)

In fact you can get some idea from those comments from op. He calls everyone who doesn't support their point of view an "anti China"~ And no matter how many classical Chinese sources I have posted to him, he just ignored them and keep calling other people stupid pig . The funniest part is, he can't read classical Chinese~

I wouldnt go as far as "Nazi", just combine youth and boredom with the wish of finding pride in their own identity, you would find similiar pattern in all the eastasian groups moving rightwing(or leftwing) direction, be it japanese, korean or mongolian and even viets and other southeast asians, they would find delusion faster than any real sign of "cultural glory" from the past. There was a time when I joined such online groups as "submarine" (observation under silence). The occational discrimination against minorities are despicable, but in many cases they just got mixed up;

First the committed genocide against Han citizens by Manchurian (including Han traitors under their command) during the war between qing and ming are considered as crime of external invasion because back then Manchurian were not yet integrated into China properly.

Second the many crimes committed by Han people themselves must not be set equal with those of external invasion, and must not be used as justification for the crimes commited of invaders. In this case I do agree that self inflicted pain should not be be considered the same as pain inflicted by others, for prosecution in most law system created by human mind, without external inference those who is not insane are responsible for their own well being, and free to make decision in case of selfmade mistake against oneself. But deliberate damage made between differet parties must be subjected to lawful prosecution. It is rediculous to see japansese (and some westerners" to justify the crimes of invasion against china based on the "crimes" of communists (like chinese people who died of hunger under Maos leadership). Also in any case civil war conflicts and failure of state policy could never be the same as evil invasions between nations and world wars.

But ofc most of their views are absurd and could even be harmful for national integrity, and like any other extremist idealist groups different expressions would not be recognized, if you dont "dance in the line" there would be instant ban, thats why submarine is the best to enjoy comedy from time to time. Although that is the same case for many nationalist or "patriotic" forums, whatever origin wont matter.

 

[Okemos]

I have never met any korean nationalists who would go that far with such claims, ofc they would dispute the origin of some cultural aspects, and more than that they would make rediculous territorial claim like northeastern China should be rightly korean (in extrem case also including the coastal region of china), also japan should be destroyed and colonized by koreans. However all of them would uniformly argue that such "create-and-invent-everything" claims are made up by the Japanese (and taiwanese) without any base, the purpose of such fast spreading rumors is to ruin the korean image and sour the relationship with mainland chinese. Despite everything personally I would still trust koreans more than japanese.



I wouldnt go as far as "Nazi", just combine youth and boredom with the wish of finding pride in their own identity, you would find similiar pattern in all the eastasian groups moving rightwing(or leftwing) direction, be it japanese, korean or mongolian and even viets and other southeast asians, they would find delusion faster than any real sign of "cultural glory" from the past. There was a time when I joined such online groups as "submarine" (observation under silence). The occational discrimination against minorities are despicable, but in many cases they just got mixed up;

First the committed genocide against Han citizens by Manchurian (including Han traitors under their command) during the war between qing and ming are considered as crime of external invasion because back then Manchurian were not yet integrated into China properly.

Second the many crimes committed by Han people themselves must not be set equal with those of external invasion, and must not be used as justification for the crimes commited of invaders. In this case I do agree that self inflicted pain should not be be considered the same as pain inflicted by others, for prosecution in most law system created by human mind, without external inference those who is not insane are responsible for their own well being, and free to make decision in case of selfmade mistake against oneself. But deliberate damage made between differet parties must be subjected to lawful prosecution. It is rediculous to see japansese (and some westerners" to justify the crimes of invasion against china based on the "crimes" of communists (like chinese people who died of hunger under Maos leadership). Also in any case civil war conflicts and failure of state policy could never be the same as evil invasions between nations and world wars.

But ofc most of their views are absurd and could even be harmful for national integrity, and like any other extremist idealist groups different expressions would not be recognized, if you dont "dance in the line" there would be instant ban, thats why submarine is the best to enjoy comedy from time to time. Although that is the same case for many nationalist or "patriotic" forums, whatever origin wont matter.

I am curious, do people here really equate foreign invasion and killing by invaders with internal conflicts? Gee, I guess China, Japan should just invade North Koreans and even kill North Koreans since the Kim regime is starving and torturing its own people. What a horrible thought. Or to a less extreme measure, maybe Russia just invade Ukraine. Or China should invade Indonesia when their Indonesians were fighting each other.

Gee, the good thing that I have put all those crazy people on ignore and stay away from this nonsensical debate. Nobody can convince anybody in online debates. In real life, the best solution on such issues thus is to be put on vote by the people and then people who disagree take the case to constitutional court to decide whether any measures taken are unconstitutional.

 

[Huaren]

I am curious, do people here really equate foreign invasion and killing by invaders with internal conflicts? Gee, I guess China, Japan should just invade North Koreans and even kill North Koreans since the Kim regime is starving and torturing its own people. What a horrible thought. Or to a less extreme measure, maybe Russia just invade Ukraine. Or China should invade Indonesia when their Indonesians were fighting each other.

Gee, the good thing that I have put all those crazy people on ignore and stay away from this nonsensical debate. Nobody can convince anybody in online debates. In real life, the best solution on such issues thus is to be put on vote by the people and then people who disagree take the case to constitutional court to decide whether any measures taken are unconstitutional.

Well if you see someone claim that chinese have no right to blame japan because our own government killed(considered by the "world" as brutally murdered under really really "evil" intention) far more, then you would know what he or she meant by this. I have see such case more than enough both online and offline, so many people do not realize how rediculous their arguments are (not to mention that their own arguments could be used against themselves at anytime)

 

[Okemos]

Well if you see someone claim that chinese have no right to blame japan because our own government killed(considered by the "world" as brutally murdered under really really "evil" intention) far more, then you would know what he or she meant by this. I have see such case more than enough both online and offline, so many people do not realize how rediculous their arguments are (not to mention that their own arguments could be used against themselves at anytime)

Oh ok, yeah I have heard those claims before. Well I guess we should all just invade each other since every country has dirty laundry and dark periods in their history. Nice pretexts for real invaders lol.

 

[Sonyuke_Songpaisan]

Because this movement is started by ultra-nationalists,I know not all Hanfu fans are those Han ultra-nationalists,but many of them.
Their view of history is biased,for example,the Qing dynasty never forbidden the Han females to wear their traditional clothes,I admit the Qing dynasty actually did this to the Han males,the lost of Han female clothes had nothing to do with the Manchus

No, we just want to recover our culture. Study history and count how many Hans were killed by Manchu,扬州十日，嘉定三屠.....never forget.

Modern China is successor of Qing dynasty
and Modern Chinese is not same as Han Chinese,can you understand?

yes,but Han is the majority of China，中国没有满族，蒙族，藏族，中国还是中国，要是中国没有汉族，中国还是中国吗？

 

[Sonyuke_Songpaisan]

Jurchens of Jin dynasty not the same as those Jurchens of Ming dynasty.The Jurchens of Ming dynasty are those not came into central plain in Jin dynasty
明代确实有真正被明人控制的女真人，这样的人三万卫，东宁卫有许多，还有快活，自在两州，这些是明人实际控制的，其中三万，东宁的女真人属于军籍女真。快活，自在则是附籍，不属军籍
但是对于海西女真，建州女真，东海女真，其实明人并无真正控制，而且经常攻掠明边。在土木之变中，海西女真的旧权贵们差不多都覆没了，而叶赫，辉发，乌拉，哈达的崛起了，这些人大多数不是明初任命的卫所头目后裔，而大多是些新崛起的权贵，叶赫甚至来自蒙古

满人其实也不是什么建州人，他们都来自西伯利亚。准确的说他们是俄罗斯人。明朝控制没控制东北不重要，重要的是汉朝就在东北设郡，包括朝鲜北部也是汉朝统治，所谓的汉四郡。隐隐约约闻得到满毒的味道。

 

[dlclong]

one kind of clothes --the emperor 冕服（Mianfu)---

this is MIng dynasty 衮冕
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this is Han dynasty 冕服

 

[Huaren]

No, we just want to recover our culture. Study history and count how many Hans were killed by Manchu,扬州十日，嘉定三屠.....never forget.


yes,but Han is the majority of China，中国没有满族，蒙族，藏族，中国还是中国，要是中国没有汉族，中国还是中国吗？

I agree that we must remember, however there is a thin line which must not be crossed, else we risk hurting the feeling of our manchurian brothers and sisters, for they have nothing to do with those crimes. Many of the Manchurian Chinese still see Qing dynasty as their pride and glory, for that we must respect. also they have suffered much after the downfall of Qing, many were even killed under imaginary racism escpecially during the fanatic uprisings and earlier day of ROC, but the incoming days of Chaos made it clear that we are all the same victim if our country fails. Although for us Han Chinese Qing dynasty started off with controverse, it still deserve the respect and rightly place in the history of chinese civilization, it is part of us now and can never be seperated or denied. And yes we Han chinese make up the majority of China, but a China without the minorities (especially Manchurian chinese, Hui Chinese, Mongolian Chinese, Tibetan Chinese and Uyghur Chinese) would NOT be China at all! Chinese civilization was founded by the unity of different tribes facing seemly invincible foe both of men and nature, we found our strength and wisdom in unity and that is our true identity, the path to our future in this world. Our Civilization was never meant be be made up by one single group since birth and never will be.

During my days in the university one of my closest teacher is of Manchu ethnic group, he is both wise and patriotic chinese, even more patriotic than most other I have met and I am glad to be able to count him and other Manchurians as our brothers and sisters.

 

[dlclong]

No, we just want to recover our culture. Study history and count how many Hans were killed by Manchu,扬州十日，嘉定三屠.....never forget.

哎，你就好好呆在泰国吧，别操心中国的事情了。如果你喜爱汉文化，那就在泰国好好保留就行了，中国的事情不牢你操心了，我发现你有时候真的是成事不足败事有余。你根本不在中国，根本就不了解中国，综合以往你的发言，我个人觉得，很多不可取。你对现代中国的认知，很低。。。。。
You have to stay in Thailand, don't worry about China thing.Your perception of contemporary China,Seem to be very low ,

Whether politics, or history
.

 

[BoQ77]

You guys still love saying this "Mine" "Mine" "Mine"

 

[sahaliyan]

In reality,I admire more those heroes against invaders,the Han Chinese against Manchu/Mongolian invaders and the southern people against Han invaders
I always admire Zu Ti,Yue Fei,Wen Tianxiang,Shi Kefa and so on,they are heroes to me,however that not means I will insult their enemies.Just like I admire Baibars more,not means I will insult Hulagu
It's nothing wrong for Han people of later Ming and early Qing era to fought against Manchus,no,they had every rights to against Manchus.And in Qing dynasty,the Manchus always admire those heroes,emperor Qianlong who honoured Shi Kefa for example.And for those who surrended to Manchus,do you know 贰臣传？Traitors will not get respect in any country
But Qing history is not just that,you should know,now,I even see some people honour the Taiping rebellion,only because this was a Han rebellion,but they just can't see the main problem here,the Taiping rebels were Christians,anti Chinese culture,the Qing protected Chinese culture

 

[sahaliyan]

Taiwanese leader

 

[Sonyuke_Songpaisan]

I agree that we must remember, however there is a thin line which must not be crossed, else we risk hurting the feeling of our manchurian brothers and sisters, for they have nothing to do with those crimes. Many of the Manchurian Chinese still see Qing dynasty as their pride and glory, for that we must respect. also they have suffered much after the downfall of Qing, many were even killed under imaginary racism escpecially during the fanatic uprisings and earlier day of ROC, but the incoming days of Chaos made it clear that we are all the same victim if our country fails. Although for us Han Chinese Qing dynasty started off with controverse, it still deserve the respect and rightly place in the history of chinese civilization, it is part of us now and can never be seperated or denied. And yes we Han chinese make up the majority of China, but a China without the minorities (especially Manchurian chinese, Hui Chinese, Mongolian Chinese, Tibetan Chinese and Uyghur Chinese) would NOT be China at all! Chinese civilization was founded by the unity of different tribes facing seemly invincible foe both of men and nature, we found our strength and wisdom in unity and that is our true identity, the path to our future in this world. Our Civilization was never meant be be made up by one single group since birth and never will be.

During my days in the university one of my closest teacher is of Manchu ethnic group, he is both wise and patriotic chinese, even more patriotic than most other I have met and I am glad to be able to count him and other Manchurians as our brothers and sisters.

国父：讲到五族的人数，藏人不过四五十万，蒙古人不过百万，满人只二百万，回教虽众，大都汉人。讲到他们的形势，满州既处日人势力之下，蒙古向为俄人范围，西 藏亦几成英国的囊中物，足见他们皆无自卫的能力，我们汉族应帮助他才是。汉族号称四万万，或尚不止此数，而不能真正独立组一完全汉族的国家，实是我们汉族 莫大的羞耻，这就是本党的民族主义没有成功。 由此可知，本党尚须在民族主义上做功夫，务使满、蒙、回、藏同化于我汉族，成一大民族主义的国家

 

[samzhang2014]

That's so awesome, man. Yes, indeed, China has a very long history and many styles or regalia.

Is there anything in Chinese clothing that is similar to Japanese Kimono ?

I feel Geisha' make up is a little strange... why make the face like a white paper while the mouth is so red.
I checked on internet, it is very similar with the women in Tang Dynasty in China.