Tough love! Modi’s raising Balochistan doesnt mean he has abandoned hopes of a historic peace

[somebozo]

Damage control by toilet media..

 

[shah1398]

Where on the Earth there is even half percent chances of Peace when U talk of provocative measures? Silly article.

 

[Meengla]

No one in this world cares for kashmir, only pakistan and india have to sort this out .

What would be best is to make the LOC into the IB and be done with it . let there be a free exchange of people across the borders , in fact this is the formula which was close to being signed during musharrafs time , but he ended up being replaced.

Yes, we all need to go back to Musharraf-Manmohan talks from mid 2000's and come up with a sensible solution. Short of a nuclear catastrophe, neither India or Pakistan is going to budge on Kashmir and even if one side wins the other will eventually rise again and hence eternal turmoil. The number of people on both sides are too high to allow any 'vanquishing of the conquered' permanently.

 

[Soumitra]

Where on the Earth there is even half percent chances of Peace when U talk of provocative measures? Silly article.

Well we have tried for peace for 69 years and we got mumbai and kargil and pathankot and parliament and ..... The list is damn too long.

Every time we tried to reach out and talk peace we have been backstabbed. Vajpayee did Lahore Bus yatra and got Kargil in return. Modi went to wish Nawaz Sharif on his birthday and got pathankot.

the death by thousand cuts strategy is being used by you for all these years. You are openly supporting kashmiri seperatists

The problem was that you thought Modi was like any other ruler of the last 69 years. That is where you are wrong. He does not take a snide remark lightly. He uses all his power to destroy the person who tries to harm him. Ask his detractors in Gujarat BJP. All of them are now sidelined. . Talk about the award wapasi gang and NGOs and Media. He has shown them the place and going after them with vengeance.

He is authoritarian and a hard core nationalist. What exactly did you accept. He gave you a chance for 2 years. Hell he started off by inviting Nawaz Sharif for his swearing in ceremony. Note that no other PM could have done that. Only Modi had the courage of convicttion to do that. But Pakistan squandered away the time and the chances.

I know you are a muslim but perhaps you would have heard about the Mahabharat. There is a character in Mahabharat called Shishupal. He was destined to be killed by Lord krishna. his mother intervened and asked Lord Krishna to spare her son. Lord Krishna said that I will not kill your son of 100 mistakes. Shishupal insulted Krishna for 100 times and when he did it the 101st time Krishna used the sudarshan chakra to cut off his head.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shishupala

Pakistan is like Shishupal. It has been given lot of chances to reform. But now the 100 mistakes are over

So now there will be a blow back. There is no chance of a peace. I think both the countries know it So why not give Pakistan back in their own coin. .

 

[Spring Onion]

Pakistan is like Shishupal. It has been given lot of chances to reform. But now the 100 mistakes are over

So now there will be a blow back. There is no chance of a peace. I think both the countries know it So why not give Pakistan back in their own coin. .

You mean India is now openly funding and supporting terrorism in Pakistan.

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Damage control by toilet media..

Orange media is just playing dirty tricks like using fake videos as breaking news about Gilgit Baltistan just create unrest as well as fake videos about Balochistan. For example they used an old video that was shot in Liyari Sindh when rangers operation started an old video and Indian media showed it as a protest on 14 august 2016 in Balochistan. Similarly Indian media also shown a video from May 25 a protest by a party in Gilgit Baltistan on occasion of elections when their leader baba jan was arrested while Indian media presented this old video as some big protest against Pakistan for independence, The Indian media broadcast this old video on August 13.

The party yesterday demanded an apology from orange media

 

[shah1398]

Well we have tried for peace for 69 years and we got mumbai and kargil and pathankot and parliament and ..... The list is damn too long.

I stopped reading just at their very phrase when I suddenly remembered 1971 and Mr Modi's confessions.

 

[Moonlight]

Just my opinion and the view that I see things.

From the Indian point of view, a good approach by Modi Sarkar. As it is said, lets tangle the Pakistan by such statements and make Pakistan to think about other issues being diverted from the main agenda of Kashmir. Indeed, to the some extent it may workout that nobody knows what would be next and in counter of such diplomatic move of India. It is also witnessed that under the context of these statements by the Indian Premier, a well managed campaign is started by Indian media on different subjects that all are directed towards Pakistan based upon anti-Pakistan subjects to diversify more. So while looking at the affect of India's new diplomatic approach, for the one seems like pushing back Pakistan.

While on other hand, from Pakistan prospective, first of all it is proven that India is more desperate due to rise in Kashmir issue nowadays. Modi's statement mentioning about letters from Baluchistan and GB (a claim indeed) proves that India is involved with attempted interference in these areas though there is not much thing like what Modi claimed but good enough to prove the stance. It also give another opportunity to prove that India is involved for the unrest of these areas whereby on certain times and forums, Pakistan's stand against these terrorists has been acknowledged. India made a mere attempt to divert the attention but still, Pakistan stand with same previous point whereby Kashmir is on the top to discuss. Also, the statement of India is to be viewed in context whereby GOI has rejected the UNHCR;s request for access in IoK as well as while denied the invitation of Pakistan for talks on the base of Kashmir subject. Pakistan sees these statements nothing but an attempt to redirect and divert the attention of Int'l Forums as well as UN to other issues which has no substance with the subject of Kashmir at all. Pakistan is still focused on the Kashmir agenda and will be carrying the same practice but with more energy than before.

I mentioned here about "than before thing" because Kashmir subject was on halt or almost frozen in previous democratic tenure whereby, our elite was busy enough to save their hidden accounts and looted money that paid no attention for the support of Kashmir cause. Then after, as the current political elite took charge of the high office, as usual and as per practice in sequence with previous office, was much busy with own political agendas and India friendship goals that put Kashmir subject in storage but fortunately for Kashmiris and unfortunately for Modi, the HR violation started in Kashmir yet protests became regular and clashes with forces that got the attention of int'l community as well as of the people those who supports Kashmiris for their cause and resulted to force NS to change stance. India itself has played a major role to rise the issue of Kashmir once again due to last series of violence since more than a month while more protesters died. It was Bhutto's mistake that came with idea of bilateral talks to resolve the matter but still, any of the party can reach the UN that is not prohibited with agreement at all, in-case the other is not serious to resolve the issue or derails the talks. I mentioned the Bhutto chapter in short that the UN resolution and all those agreements are discussed in length and depth.

Not going by deep into past but last elections in GB proves more than enough for anyone who is not updated well. There was no single complain about the GB Elections by any int'l observer and even if for the sake of arguments, GB is occupied, the whole world is silent and India should cut-off from everyone for such stand but knew that the reality is, GB is in peace and happily progressing. Assembly is working fine and GB is well protected while being self governed and not integrated with Pakistan. Also, GB is going to have a good share in CPEC which will indeed help prosper and the growth of the same and people indeed. Like Baluchistan and others, GB is most pro-Pakistan region that even requested to be integrated with Pakistan, which is a proof enough for the one to understand that how GB stands with Pakistan.

Baluchistan Provincial government if working fine and people like harbiyar marri and Brahamdagh Bugti are on run and sought asylum because not only the law is looking for them but most of all those tribes and tribesmen hates them from the core of heart and both them knows well. These both names have been ruling the Baluchistan in past yet never done anything for the people except more slaves and extortion. Government of Pakistan continued with CPEC that will be beneficial for Baluchistan Province first and all others as well. As the extortion stopped and being low on money, people like Harbiyar ran and started a campaign not because for the people but for the money. If the Baluchistan issue, as Modi portrayed, was that true a long ago, Int'l community alongwith anti-CPEC faces would have forced Pakistan to do what these terrorists are parroting.

The CPEC is the key for everything here in Modi's speech that this route starts with GB and ends at Baluchistan for which, Pakistan is very well aware even the people are as well. Opposing the CPEC wouldn't alone be countered by Pakistan as a strong opposition for such stance but indeed it involves China as well so India has to face two strong oppositions at once which I think, is no more in favour of economical India. India is trying an attempt to portray the CPEC as controversial but seems no weight and substance except to derail the Kashmir cause and diversify the agenda while involving the China which is going to be very helpful. So by highlighting such irrelevant issues, India helped more to bring Kashmir to International Table.

@WAJsal @Neutron @Mugwop @notorious_eagle @Arsalan @Moonlight @Zibago and others.

A very good post and totally agree with your thoughts. Especially, the last part.

 

[Meengla]

Well we have tried for peace for 69 years and we got mumbai and kargil and pathankot and parliament and ..... The list is damn too long..

I agree that Kargil was not a good move. I think it was Musharraf's personal vendetta for 1971 and 1984 (Siachen), bypassing even some senior commanders. But India has not always been 'for peace' as much as most Indians would like to believe and for the world to believe.

Look at this image? See the date and the timing? The article even mentions that Indians accused the besieged and outgunned state of Hyderabad Deccan of attacking Indian villages! Must have learned from Hitler's 'counter attack' on the Poles on 1 September 1939!

 

[Levina]

@Levina It is a ploy to force concessions out of Pakistan. The fact is that not much is to be gained by 'breaking' Pakistan as it leaves us fighting the good, the bad, the ugly terrorist all by ourselves.

Just enough pressure to keep Pakistan occupied within itself and a leverage to allow unhindered focus on addressing Kashmir valley politically as a part of India.

Ofcourse!
India is flexing its pecs and Pakistan is not so happy about it.
My observation is, Pakistani establishments often divert the attention of the Pakistani populace from the real issues within their country, by bringing in Kahsmir.
Modi's statement was a double edged sword- Baloch issue has now caught international attention, and also Pakistani establishments have been put on an introspection mode.

They don't even give a shit about Indians.

Not sure, because I've often seen Balochi post on social media that they need help from India. I am not posting the pictures but you can go ahead and search it on google.
Let's not forget that Baloch leader Mr.Bugti recently recorded a video thanking Modi, which is also doing rounds on social media.

And brace up India. With your foolish tactics even AFSPA in Manipur is not your internal matter anymore let alone IOK.

You guys are so so dumb.

No country in the world has the right to speak on our internal issues or they will be shown the mirror. Paksitan is still gasping I see...

India has not always been 'for peace' as much as most Indians would like to believe and for the world to believe.

Yes I agree that we have not always been holding white doves and singing peace.
No country would.
For their own survival, every country maintains a good network of spies in its rival and ally countries.
Hyderabad is a diff story but look at the state today, it's a progressive state and the people are happy. Nobody even remembers what you have posted.
So when Hyderabadis don't care, why should you remain stuck in past?

 

[Levina]

@Levina there is more to it. Read movement of Russian bombers to Iran. Will tag you there. Work up and analyse past weeks moves.

Sure.

 

[SQ8]

@Levina It is a ploy to force concessions out of Pakistan. The fact is that not much is to be gained by 'breaking' Pakistan as it leaves us fighting the good, the bad, the ugly terrorist all by ourselves.

Just enough pressure to keep Pakistan occupied within itself and a leverage to allow unhindered focus on addressing Kashmir valley politically as a part of India.

Bad attempt at that. The Balochistan issue will only make things escalate, a better approach would be to push for sanctions on Pakistan for supporting terror or something.

 

[Levina]

The level of moral decay in J&K politics is beyond our comprehension, I highly doubt 370 will go away in our lifetime.

Brother, I still believe, for what u have said to happen, article 370 must go away. It neither allows a strong political neither a permanent military solution to the whole issue

@Star Wars I heard you speak in favour of art 370. Why would that be?

 

[SQ8]

@Levina there is more to it. Read movement of Russian bombers to Iran. Will tag you there. Work up and analyse past weeks moves.

I hope you are not trying to link the two spheres by any degree??
The move to the Iranian base has to do with the Russians sending a clear message that they have a base of operations in Iran; a.k.a touch Iran and you touch Russia. Before the Syrian civil war the Russians had very little excuse to be involved in the region especially with UN backing the sanctions on Iran and Syria as well. Now, they have the excuse to expand their strategic influence as they see fit.

 

[Spectre]

Bad attempt at that. The Balochistan issue will only make things escalate, a better approach would be to push for sanctions on Pakistan for supporting terror or something.

Great wall of China essentially allows Pakistan's anti India activities without fear of sanctions. Since diplomatically we are unable to extract costs because of Chinese veto and technical procrastination - other means are being used to drive home the point - You cannot foment discord and destruction in India without facing repercussions.

 

[SQ8]

Great wall of China essentially allows Pakistan's anti India activities without fear of sanctions. Since diplomatically we are unable to extract costs because of Chinese veto and technical procrastination - other means are being used to drive home the point - You cannot foment discord and destruction in India without facing repercussions.

It is a big gamble, which so far isnt really working is it? All it is then is nothing more than both sides screaming about whose tommy is a the real dog.