Tough love! Modi’s raising Balochistan doesnt mean he has abandoned hopes of a historic peace

[Abingdonboy]

I have always maintained that the style of engagement with Pakistan is a waste of diplomatic capital which could have been put to better use at bimstec or south america.

Indeed.

Despite having a so-so Foreign Policy, a major success of this govt has been introducing the "BBIN" framework. S.Asia is one of the least economically intergrated regions in the world and thanks to a certain party SAARC has comprehensively failed to correct this, now some progress is being made through BBIN.

For far too long India has let its own (and others') pettiness hold it back.

 

[Areesh]

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My opinion:
Brace up Pakistan! If you can do it, we can do it too. You bring up Kashmir and we will add fuel to Balochistan issue- this is exactly what Modi meant, may be in more brusque words.

And brace up India. With your foolish tactics even AFSPA in Manipur is not your internal matter anymore let alone IOK.

You guys are so so dumb.

 

[Spectre]

Frankly I am tired of the disproportionate attention Pakistan receives in India's poltical discourse. It is a neighbour of India's but at the heart of it they are a security problem that can be dealt with with at a ministerial level, there is no need for the PM to be giving them the relevence they crave.

If there were great riches to be made with improved relations with Pakistan then I would wholeheartedly welcome an outreach as large as possible but frankly Pakistan offers almost negligable benefits for India as it stands and they simply aren't open to economic ties with India so why waste the time? Their security establishment is not about to ditch their decades long proxy war with India. Treat Pakistan how it is asking to be treated- as a security problem and leave it at that. The PM (and senior ministers) should be focusing their attention on far more fruitful endeavours such as improved ties with the US, UK, France/EU, China, Japan, Australia, S.Korea, Iran, Middle East, Israel etc etc.


@Joe Shearer @PARIKRAMA @MilSpec @nair @Levina

Three things

1. Problem doesn't go away if you wish - Pakistan takes lot of space not only with India but even countries like US. When Obama was asked what keeps him awake at night - He said Pakistan. India being it's unfortunate neighbor and sole focus of it's mischievous endeavor cannot wish it away in denial.

Threat has to recognized, quantified and neutered and for that we require active diplomacy and security positioning. It was out passivity which has led to this situation

2. China - Pakistan is the front of much bigger threat China and almost all hits landed on India has Chinese figerprints. It is becuase of China that Pakistan escapes much of consequences of it's action and is now nuclear capable. Geo-political situations and India's own economic weakness doesn't allow it to confront China at level we would like so for now we just deal with it's weapon.

3. Perception - Your and @MilSpec arguments are not without merit. India brings itself down to Pakistan's level when it diverts so much of high level attention to it BUT in this world nation's judge us on the basis of our every action. Our bureaucracy is too timid and 2nd rung of leaders too immature to handle Pakistan. Therefor for now we bring our best minds and top heavy pressure to bear on it. Worst thing in this case would be to let Pakistan get away with it's shenanigans - it has to understand the cost when it goes on a diplomatic offensive against India.

 

[hussain0216]

This is comedic from the indians,

They are equating kashmir where thousands are marching, damning india, burning indian flags, protesting, where there is 24 hour curfew for over a month

With a relatively calm balochistan full of muslims and Pakistanis

Its like Pakistan coming out in support if a independent maharastra, we dont give a squat about them and they dont for us

 

[Areesh]

This is comedic from the indians,

They are equating kashmir where thousands are marching, damning india, burning indian flags, protesting, where there is 24 hour curfew for over a month

With a relatively calm balochistan full of muslims and Pakistanis

Its like Pakistan coming out in support if a independent maharastra, we dont give a squat about them and they dont for us

It is time for Pakistan to give a statement for any incident inside India. No incident is India's internal matter anymore.

We can start with Akhlaq's lynching. We should condemn it and ask Indian government to punish the culprits.

 

[T90TankGuy]

Frankly if you wish to support Balochistan do it covertly , hardly something you wish to announce from the ramparts of the red fort.
that said this is a major shift in the policy vis a vie Pakistan . Dont know how this will play out in diplomatic circles but this is now a whole new ball game.

 

[hussain0216]

It is time for Pakistan to give a statement for any incident inside India. No incident is India's internal matter anymore.

We can start with Akhlaq's lynching. We should condemn it and ask Indian government to punish the culprits.

Absolutely, india's stance os not only comical but self defeating

I say we start with expressing support for

Indian muslims in Gujraat and the denial of justice by a tainted Modi

The persecution of muslims for eating meat

Support the Maoist freedom struggle

Support the khalistan freedom struggle

Support the Assam freedom struggle

Support Nepal

Demand world attention to the horrid life if indian women at risk of rape

Dalit persecution


The list is friggin endless with india
I mean whst was Modi thinking

 

[T90TankGuy]

It is time for Pakistan to give a statement for any incident inside India. No incident is India's internal matter anymore.

We can start with Akhlaq's lynching. We should condemn it and ask Indian government to punish the culprits.

What local standing do you have in this matter? None whats so ever.

 

[Jaanbaz]

I have interacted with pro independence Baluch in UK, they look down upon Indians are inferiors, they consider themselves as an Iranian race and are not a big fan of Punjabis and Indian races. Its always funny when Indians get pain regarding Baluchistan lol. They don't even give a shit about Indians.

 

[[Bregs]]

Frankly if you wish to support Balochistan do it covertly , hardly something you wish to announce from the ramparts of the red fort.
that said this is a major shift in the policy vis a vie Pakistan . Dont know how this will play out in diplomatic circles but this is now a whole new ball game.

The change in foreign policy on kashmir and pakistan also means that Indian govt has given up on peace efforts with pakistan ?

 

[foxbat]

Its impossible to win against an insurgency if its supported by a neighboring state and the local population is hostile. Examples being Vietnam and Afghanistan. Pakistan needs to up its support for freedom fighters. Provide them with Anza's and Baktar Shikan's and watch the dominoes fall.

And going by the stance of the govt in India, the same will be paid back by starting India's support to Balochi freedom fighters in a more tangible form. Two can play the game mate.

 

[Hellfire]

The change in foreign policy on kashmir and pakistan also means that Indian govt has given up on peace efforts with pakistan ?

Nope. India has moved away from Pakistan in its security calculus. Only the stupid Indian media is giving it credence.

 

[Areesh]

What local standing do you have in this matter? None whats so ever.

What local standing do you have In Baluchistan? None

With open meddling in Baluchistan you have lost the right to call any matter internal.

 

[T90TankGuy]

The change in foreign policy on kashmir and pakistan also means that Indian govt has given up on peace efforts with pakistan ?

I believe so , but to be fair ," Taali ek haath se nahai bajti" Pakistan its self does not seem to be serious about peace.

 

[foxbat]

What local standing do you have In Baluchistan? None

With open meddling in Baluchistan you have lost the right to call any matter internal.

Let the skeletons start tumbling out of the closets

 

[Areesh]

Absolutely, india's stance os not only comical but self defeating

I say we start with expressing support for

Indian muslims in Gujraat and the denial of justice by a tainted Modi

The persecution of muslims for eating meat

Support the Maoist freedom struggle

Support the khalistan freedom struggle

Support the Assam freedom struggle

Support Nepal

Demand world attention to the horrid life if indian women at risk of rape

Dalit persecution


The list is friggin endless with india
I mean whst was Modi thinking

We should make a weekly schedule.

Monday for statement on Assam
Tuesday for statement on Manipur
Wednesday for Khalistan
Thursday for Dalit persecution
Friday for Nagaland
Saturday for Muslim persecution
Sunday for Maoists

Kashmir: All 7 days of the week

Let the skeletons start tumbling out of the closets

For India. YES