Tipu Sultan's weapons auctioned for six million pounds

[MarkovChain]

2. This is more fundamental. Reverting from Islam carries the death penalty. It's a very convenient and strong deterrent. Even after Tipu's fall there were enough loyalists who made sure that anybody dreaming of leaving Islam could be put to death.

Brilliant post and pretty much sums it up. The last I heard, apostasy carries a death penalty even today in most Islamic countries.

 

[utraash]

Regardless of what Hindus call him Tipu Sultan was and will remain a hero to muslims. What is going on is that muslim version of history is being replaced by a Hindu curriculum in both schools and heritage sites.

If India's hindus talk about Tipu Sultan being a villain what about men like Maharan Pratap who is responsible for killing of muslims. History is filled with examples of tyrants and many of these tyrants despite their attitude to the local population made the land rich.

India is slipping into hindutva sphere, hence the hatred for muslims and their leaders who spread Islam to the sub continent.

Had he forced Muslims to convert into Hinduism? Killing or annihilation of enemy was not new phenomenon but creating a mounting of human skull desecrating kafirs beliefs has been the trademark of those inhumane breeds or a particular religion ... So no surprise still there are lot OSAMA philosophical sympathizers especially on pure land mass ........
Todays Israel is still treating better those philistine Muslims than what you predecessor had done to local populace from Arabic land to Subcontinent.....
Your heart naturally goes out to philistine cause however have your imagined the fate of those ordinary ppl who were massacred mercilessly n rest were converted by Titu or any Muslim invaders .... ?

 

[SrNair]

Let me be very honest, @Rain Man was the one who gave me articles related to Tipu, which were an eye opener. I've never heard any mallu talking negative about Tipu Sultan, so I was shocked when i first read those articles.

In fact I knew all of that even earlier .Thanks to that book eating behaviour.
I have heard about some high class Muslim families in Malabar that still follow vegetarinism . They were Brahmins until Tipu s invasion .
They were converted due to his atrocities .But still following their age old civilisation

 

[doppelganger]

Its called Civilazional Stockholm Syndrome.

The conquered become the conquerors.

The converted convert with greater vigor.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

The reason I ask is that unlike most Muslim nations on earth that were converted en masse, India presents probably the only entity that resisted successfully. I call 2 out of every 3 a successful strike rate here.

So we have the opportunity of actually debating revisionism (as we see here and across the forum) between the same people.

Whereas in the case of the completely converted, there is a national civilizational narrative of the insiders, and outsiders debate it. Not quite the same thing.

Yes, I know. Which is why we must not discuss that here.

 

[utraash]

His father probably Afghan was the slave of Wadiyar when he usurped the power from them, and just like his father ,this coward submitted himself to French and if it wasn't for British he would have been killed by Marathas who humiliated him before but spared his life


Battle of Gajendragad - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Unfortunately hyder ali was not butchered by Maratha n so consequences paid by north Keralites...... We ppl are still suffering from Prthviraj syndrome....

 

[vegav]

To be honest I don't know where you get all that shit from? Open air sewers aka your house is probably my guess.. Passive head wobbling hindi.



I'm a Pakistani Muslim Baluch .. Afghan is a nationality .. But there are more "Afghans or Pashtuns" in Pak than anywhere in th world combined!

Tipu Sultans forefathers were from Punjab so yes we can claim him...!


Do you have any reliable sources claiming Tipu was a tyrant? By reliable I mean non saffron chadi BS.

To quote Turkish from Snatch,He is as punjabi as he is a friggin monkey.

Most likely,he was no punjabi.

In your state you are living in sewers and when the gutters rises you ge out of em n pop up on PDF with that mentality.

FYI,

I doubt if there is any province as clean and people with such high level of cleanliness as Kerala people.

You wont win this battle dude.

There is nothing wrong with jamahir view..Even if i am a Karnataka urdu Muslim like him,i will do exactly...
I am living in Bangalore and i know how the local Kannada Hindu population are treating/viewing local Urdu Muslims in Bangalore and Karnataka...Its disgusting...Even there was an anti Muslim revolt in Bangalore some years ago..,Sadly,but true...So his hatred is natural...

he should be happy that muslims are still allowed to live in karnataka.

Regardless of what Hindus call him Tipu Sultan was and will remain a hero to muslims. What is going on is that muslim version of history is being replaced by a Hindu curriculum in both schools and heritage sites.

If India's hindus talk about Tipu Sultan being a villain what about men like Maharan Pratap who is responsible for killing of muslims. History is filled with examples of tyrants and many of these tyrants despite their attitude to the local population made the land rich.

India is slipping into hindutva sphere, hence the hatred for muslims and their leaders who spread Islam to the sub continent.

MahaRana Pratap is a legend dude,real brave rajput unlike those who converted and took jagir from akbar.

Tipu or for that matter any Muslim king never contributed anything to India,they only exploited,thats why they are nowhere now.

they all went back to pakistan anyway.

It doesnt matter what muslims think here,Tipu Sultan's real face has to be shown to the public.

i have seen your friends quoting records of portuguese atrocities in goa and kerala against hindus... maybe even you partook of those posts, and now you quote the same "evil" portuguese.

and how is circumcision such a great atrocity?? it is a pre-islami rite... so many indian members cheer for israel and israeli jews do circumcision, yet these particular indian members do not cry for the jews "forced" to undergo ritual circumcision... hypocrisy.



so you are saying that tipu was enemy also of the french?? that too in 1799??

and your source says different things at different points.



were muslims in his reign exempt from paying zakat??



you mean arakkal.



let me tell you what a malayali hindu young man told me some nine years ago about the namboothiris... he used to be part of sfi so he is a clear-minded person... for others sfi is "students' federation of india", a socialist students' organization present in some states of india.

this man told me that he is from a "lower caste" and his ancestors had to stop on the roadside and keep themselves in servile/reverence position whenever a namboothiri person walked by.

you thus forward the demeaning of man yet you claim outrage about tipu??



shouldn't we be talking about the farmer who suicided yesterday??

yeah and tipu was no different,atleast this young man now has a head on his shoulders and pride in his heart.

In a muslim land he has to glorify the king and only because he is a muslim.

A Jatt acquaintance of mine once said such a thing, but I doubted it. His forefathers' origin is mired in mystery. Maybe the British sources you mentioned are more trustworthy than historical revisionism which takes place nowadays in South Asia.

British sources are the biggest revisionist pieces in the world,The word british could even mean matlabi in english.

desert fighter is obviously trolling but i dont understand how a baloch is related to punjab that too east of the indus.

In fact I knew all of that even earlier .Thanks to that book eating behaviour.
I have heard about some high class Muslim families in Malabar that still follow vegetarinism . They were Brahmins until Tipu s invasion .
They were converted due to his atrocities .But still following their age old civilisation

they need gharwapasi dude.

 

[ghoul]

British sources are the biggest revisionist pieces in the world,The word british could even mean matlabi in english.

desert fighter is obviously trolling but i dont understand how a baloch is related to punjab that too east of the indus.

Baloch and Punjabis have been neighbours for centuries. A good number of Baloch live on the east side of Indus as far east as Multan. And Baloch have more in common with Punjab than bhaiyyas from Gangaland not sharing any physical border with the region.

 

[vegav]

there are lot of so called pathans also in the bhayyas from gangaland.

I know for a fact that baloch and pathans have not that much in common with the average punjabi,islamic yes but not punjabi.

i have lived in dubai,i often saw punjabis of both countries being more friendly than baloch and punjabi of pakistan.

PS: Tipu sultan claiming punjabi heritage is like jinnah calling himself a punjabi rajput when all he was,was a gujrati bania.

 

[anonymus]

There are two dominant reasons why the forcefully converted did not revert.
1. Socio economic : those who had converted were given land taken away from the non Muslims who had fled. Reverting would make them lose it. Plus as Muslims they felt safe from future Jihadi invasions. They knew that even as a Muslim one is safe in a Hindu kingdom. Not so as a Hindu in Tipu's one. Plus many Hindus then were far too conservative in certain places...of course this was of little concern where whole villages were converted by sword.
2. This is more fundamental. Reverting from Islam carries the death penalty. It's a very convenient and strong deterrent. Even after Tipu's fall there were enough loyalists who made sure that anybody dreaming of leaving Islam could be put to death.

This method had been perfected by champions of the RoP for centuries. The mallus, brave though they were, stood no chance. But still they survived albeit in part.

Still, many did revert to their parent faith.


Very true. The Muslims in Karnataka are staunch fans of Tipu. They had it all. They had the power to kill, convert, rape as they pleased...which they did. After Tipu, they did not. The non Muslims learnt this lesson by heart. It stays till today.

You have missed the most important point: The role of collective memories.

When a person converts, effects of his ancestral religion only lingers for a generation of two. After that the progeny becomes follower of purer religion.

Exception to this are groups which maintain their identity separate from Islam (or other religion). Among Indian converts, only Rajputs did it, and Ghar Wapsi/reconversion process has been most successful among them in India. A person who destroys his identity or is made to destroy his identity by forcing a fake arabian surname and origin story become like most of Pakistanis, someone who think that he is purest muslim (an Arab, a Turk, or a Persian) even though the people he is trying to associate with piss on him. It become a kind of delusional echo chamber. Acknowledging that he is someone who has been forced to convert on swordpoint becomes humiliating to him, hence these tales "my ancestors came with Bin Qasim's army" originate to hide one's wounded pride. OR residual identity could turn one into a Persian, always viscerally hateful of Arabs or purest of pure Muslims. The current Shia-Sunni war is rooted in wounded "Persian identity" , which if had not found expressing in different version of Islam, would have probably expressed itself in Persian leaving Islam for Zorastarianism en mass. Another cause of attachment of Persians with Islam is that ,unlike ours, Islam has genuinely enriched their civilization and completely turning from Islam would mean denouncing most of their civilizational achievement. I would post on this if latter posts, if someone wants detail......Turks never had this problem as they did not had an identity.again details for later if someone wants...



You should understand why missionaries are paying people to convert. If payment for coming to Religion of Love is a life long and cross generation phenomenon, even most well funded missionaries would go bankrupt as each increasing convert would further tax their bribing resources. The game missionaries are playing is to pay pagans for long enough that they lose their institutional and collective memory of being a Hindu.


People here and elsewhere have repeated asked: How to destroy an idea? This is usually asked when pink libetards ponder upon ways to contain a terrorist organization like IS. The answer is not only very simple but something which has been applied on level of country in life of our great grandfather, and on a continental level a millenia and a millenia and a half ago.


So how do we destroy an ideology?

Simple, destroy all cultural markers of that ideology. Burn all books containing doctrine of that ideology, and prohibit practice of that ideology on pain of death.

Continental level destruction has been achieved mostly by religions.

Christian Roman Emprorers Gratian, Valentine II, and Theodosius I ,under influence of Saint Ambriose, destroyerd each and every Pagan Temple in whole of roman Empire, made practice of Paganism punishable by death, stopped Olympic games, and seized wealth of all Pagans in kingdom.

This not only destroyed Paganism in a couple of generation to such an extent that today there is practically no ancient book surviving on Pagan practice making it impossible to resurrect, even if someone wants to (this was aim of Church); It also pushed Europe into a 800 year long "dark age" due to destruction of most of knowledge in Paganic purge. Rome in early CE era knew how to make whole cities using concrete, but that knowledge was lost and concrete did not appeared on scene until mid 18th century.

The idea here on which Church worked was that if you destroy all temples, and burn every book that is there , and make practice of paganism punishable by death; Pagans would lose their institutional memory.

On should read the classical six volume series of The History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire written by English historian Edward Gibbon in 1776.

This was repeated in Spain or Al-Andalusia.

Muslims too did this, but on a much smaller scale than Christians. For most part of per-modern history, Islam has been more tolerant than Christianity.

In recent times, it has been done by Soviet union. Soviet union by adopting same techniques as Theodosius I tamed CAR muslims making them docile , borderline atheist Soviet muslims; or China which did same with Hui muslims.

Also google Hugenots and their massacre done by Catholics in Paris.


I must say that Europeans are Gold medalist in this technique , with no silver medalist in sight.

@doppelganger

i have seen your friends quoting records of portuguese atrocities in goa and kerala against hindus... maybe even you partook of those posts, and now you quote the same "evil" portuguese.

and how is circumcision such a great atrocity?? it is a pre-islami rite... so many indian members cheer for israel and israeli jews do circumcision, yet these particular indian members do not cry for the jews "forced" to undergo ritual circumcision... hypocrisy.



so you are saying that tipu was enemy also of the french?? that too in 1799??

and your source says different things at different points.



were muslims in his reign exempt from paying zakat??



you mean arakkal.



let me tell you what a malayali hindu young man told me some nine years ago about the namboothiris... he used to be part of sfi so he is a clear-minded person... for others sfi is "students' federation of india", a socialist students' organization present in some states of india.

this man told me that he is from a "lower caste" and his ancestors had to stop on the roadside and keep themselves in servile/reverence position whenever a namboothiri person walked by.

you thus forward the demeaning of man yet you claim outrage about tipu??



shouldn't we be talking about the farmer who suicided yesterday??

Lame!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[ghoul]

there are lot of so called pathans also in the bhayyas from gangaland.

I know for a fact that baloch and pathans have not that much in common with the average punjabi,islamic yes but not punjabi.

i have lived in dubai,i often saw punjabis of both countries being more friendly than baloch and punjabi of pakistan.

PS: Tipu sultan claiming punjabi heritage is like jinnah calling himself a punjabi rajput when all he was,was a gujrati bania.

Some "Punjabis" of Pakistan are actually Seraikis, some of whom are Baloch by blood. Some "Punjabis" like that boxer Amir Khan, are actually Potoharis, who have nothing in common with east-Punjabi sikhs. Just saying...

 

[vegav]

Some "Punjabis" of Pakistan are actually Seraikis, some of whom are Baloch by blood. Some "Punjabis" like that boxer Amir Khan, are actually Potoharis, who have nothing in common with east-Punjabi sikhs. Just saying...

Brotehr,all these places were hardly far from each other.This nothing to do is an over abused term,just like the all muslims are brothers and sisters statement,i know for a fact that it is not true.

 

[ghoul]

Brotehr,all these places were hardly far from each other.This nothing to do is an over abused term,just like the all muslims are brothers and sisters statement,i know for a fact that it is not true.

All muslims are not brothers but all Pakistanis are. No need to get all hurt like that.

 

[manishmaithani]

Which india ? British India or the subcontinent ? Which comprised of several states like Mysore itself ruled by Sultan Tipu?

He share our blood,culture,religion and ethnicity not you .. We consider him as our our blood,a hero !

You consider him a foriegner(previous posts),a tyrant and what not! The only thing you have for him is hatred !

In reality you don't have hero's thats why many people in pakistan has identity crisis and people claim for other country hero's. i.e i saw in net that 1000 rs pakistani currency has turkish flag.
I respect your views but if only if u share and respect our heritage without involving the religion and not claim. Ye claim ka panga humse mat karo (pehle angrej karte they ab tum claim kar rahe ho) and if we start claiming on the basis of your blood,culture,religion and ethnicity then India would be world largest country, hence we share the heritage not claim.

 

[anonymus]

Haidar Ali and Tipu Sultan, and the Struggle with the Musalman Powers of the ... - Lewin Bentham Bowring - Google Books
Tippu Sultan | History of Islam
Tippu Sultan - New World Encyclopedia
TIPU SULTAN: AS KNOWN IN KERALA

Holyshit, so he was punjabi. Even more reasons for Pakistanis to claim Tipu Sultan.

What a pile of Bull!!!!

Do you people even bother reading your own sources??


Your first source claim that he had Arab ancestry.


Your second source claim that Tippu’s forefather Shaykh Wali Muhammed, a Sufi Shaykh of the Chishtiya order from the Punjab, was ordered south by his teacher to serve the area of Gulbarga near the modern city of Bangalore, where the tomb of Shaykh Gaysu Daraz (d. 1410) is located. And this is a source which if you put down in a college essay's biblography, you would get a "F".

Third and Fourth source did not talk about his ethnic origins at all.


Tipu and his father were born in Mysore. This could be attested with certainty. His family claimed descent from the Quraysh tribe of Arabs, the tribe of the Muhammad; something which in absence of genetic testing could not be verified.


There is a reason that Pakistanis are considered notorious liars in fields of history and ethnicity, worldwide. It is because of these sort of halfassed attempts of faking genealogies, either their own or of someone else.