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Pakistani>Baluch>Shia and FOOKING PROUD!
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Pakistani>Baluch>Shia and FOOKING PROUD!
Time for Shias to leave Pakistan
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Don't think the Hazara's intend to take the option of violence for retaliation.
Don't think the Hazara's intend to take the option of violence for retaliation.
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That is more serious suggestion. Its easy to control and organize offensive for Army and other security forces but if like you said, people take matters into their own hands, it will create more chaotic situation and I don't blame you or Shias to retaliate in this fashion.
After all if my family is in danger and govt. and security forces are not providing any help, I will do anything to save my family, my people, even if that means I have to pick up the gun.
I wish govt. comes to senses and send Army to the region.
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Pakistan military intelligence under fire for failing to prevent Quetta bombing.
Inter-Services Intelligence agency too 'scared' to tackle growing terror campaign against Hazara minority, governor says
Jon Boone in Karachi
The Guardian, Monday 18 February 2013 16.40 GMT
Shia Muslims in Lahore take to the streets to protest against Saturday's bombing in Quetta, which killed 85 people. Photograph: Rahat Dar/EPA
Pakistan's all-powerful military intelligence services have been on the receiving end of unusually harsh public criticism for being "scared to take action" against militant groups in the wake of a bomb attack that killed 85 members of the Hazara ethnic minority.
A senior politician and the country's highest-profile television journalist have lashed out at the military Inter-Services Intelligence spy agency (ISI) after Saturday's mass killings in the troubled city of Quetta, which sparked countrywide protests.
Hamid Mir, who present's Pakistan's most popular news show, said the ISI had ignored a tide of sectarian bloodshed after deliberately creating "private death squads" to fight a war against separatists in the country's troubled Baluchistan province.
Mir's remarks came after the governor of Baluchistan said the huge blast in a crowded market showed a "failure of our intelligence agencies".
The security forces are either "scared or cannot take action against" militant groups, governor Zulfiqar Magsi said.
Human rights groups that have previously dared to make similar claims – usually couched in far more diplomatic language – have been vilified by the army.
Mir spoke out, both to the Guardian and in a column in the country's biggest Urdu language newspaper, amid continued outrage over the bombing, which used nearly a tonne of explosives hidden in a water tanker.
Demonstrations took place across the country on Monday in protest at the attack, which was claimed by the banned Sunni militant group Lashkar-e-Jhangvi. Karachi was almost completely shut down by a one-day strike.
Nadeem Paracha, a columnist for the Dawn newspaper, said a "sense of horror and tragedy is being felt by all Pakistanis … It's very noticeable that this is the first time the people are not just blaming the government, but asking what exactly the intelligence agencies that are paid millions of rupees up to?"
Quetta's Hazara community, which is overwhelmingly drawn from the minority Shia sect of Islam, mounted a powerful protest by ignoring the Islamic burial custom of quickly burying the dead. Community leaders vowed the bodies of 71 victims would remain on public display in a prayer hall until their demands for action were met.
"We want concrete actions," said Abdul Khaliq Hazara, the president of the Hazara Democratic party said. "They are killing our women, our young people and even young children aged three to five."
It was the second time in five weeks that the Hazaras had taken the drastic step. In January, nearly 100 victims of a vicious double bombing at a snooker hall were laid out on the streets. The prime minister responded by flying to Quetta and sacking the provincial government.
But rule by a governor directly appointed by Islamabad has not been able to stop what has been termed a "Shia genocide" in Pakistan. Many Shias are demanding the army take direct control of Baluchistan, something critics of military policy in the province say misses the point.
"The fact is that the military and paramilitary forces have been in control of the province all the time," said Ali Dayan Hasan, Pakistan director of Human Rights Watch.
"When protesters demand army rule in Quetta in effect what they are doing is calling the army's bluff, asking it to take responsibility for what it has in fact been in charge of all along."
But it is criticism from popular journalists like Mir, who was once thought to be close to the army, that will most sting the ISI.
"Some of these people who go by the name of Lashkar-e-Jhangvi are part of the same private death squads created by the security agencies against Baluch militants," Mir told the Guardian hours before he prepared to repeat his claims on his hugely popular programme Capital Talk.
"Yes, sometimes they oblige the security agencies by taking action against the Baluch militants, but on the other hand they quietly organise their own actions against the Shia community.
"Every Pakistani is aware that this is a complete failure by the intelligence agencies. Now we want to know, what action has the governor of the province, or the president, or the army chief, taken against these failed intelligence operators?"
Violence by Sunni fundamentalists against Shias, who they regard as apostates, is a growing problem in Pakistan. There have been attacks in every major city and murderous ambushes of buses carrying Shia passengers in the mountainous north.
The outlook for Quetta's 500,000 Hazaras is especially bleak. As an ethnic group, they have distinctive features that make them easy to target and also speak a dialect of Persian.
Pakistan military intelligence under fire for failing to prevent Quetta bombing | World news | The Guardian
Inter-Services Intelligence agency too 'scared' to tackle growing terror campaign against Hazara minority, governor says
Jon Boone in Karachi
The Guardian, Monday 18 February 2013 16.40 GMT
Shia Muslims in Lahore take to the streets to protest against Saturday's bombing in Quetta, which killed 85 people. Photograph: Rahat Dar/EPA
Pakistan's all-powerful military intelligence services have been on the receiving end of unusually harsh public criticism for being "scared to take action" against militant groups in the wake of a bomb attack that killed 85 members of the Hazara ethnic minority.
A senior politician and the country's highest-profile television journalist have lashed out at the military Inter-Services Intelligence spy agency (ISI) after Saturday's mass killings in the troubled city of Quetta, which sparked countrywide protests.
Hamid Mir, who present's Pakistan's most popular news show, said the ISI had ignored a tide of sectarian bloodshed after deliberately creating "private death squads" to fight a war against separatists in the country's troubled Baluchistan province.
Mir's remarks came after the governor of Baluchistan said the huge blast in a crowded market showed a "failure of our intelligence agencies".
The security forces are either "scared or cannot take action against" militant groups, governor Zulfiqar Magsi said.
Human rights groups that have previously dared to make similar claims – usually couched in far more diplomatic language – have been vilified by the army.
Mir spoke out, both to the Guardian and in a column in the country's biggest Urdu language newspaper, amid continued outrage over the bombing, which used nearly a tonne of explosives hidden in a water tanker.
Demonstrations took place across the country on Monday in protest at the attack, which was claimed by the banned Sunni militant group Lashkar-e-Jhangvi. Karachi was almost completely shut down by a one-day strike.
Nadeem Paracha, a columnist for the Dawn newspaper, said a "sense of horror and tragedy is being felt by all Pakistanis … It's very noticeable that this is the first time the people are not just blaming the government, but asking what exactly the intelligence agencies that are paid millions of rupees up to?"
Quetta's Hazara community, which is overwhelmingly drawn from the minority Shia sect of Islam, mounted a powerful protest by ignoring the Islamic burial custom of quickly burying the dead. Community leaders vowed the bodies of 71 victims would remain on public display in a prayer hall until their demands for action were met.
"We want concrete actions," said Abdul Khaliq Hazara, the president of the Hazara Democratic party said. "They are killing our women, our young people and even young children aged three to five."
It was the second time in five weeks that the Hazaras had taken the drastic step. In January, nearly 100 victims of a vicious double bombing at a snooker hall were laid out on the streets. The prime minister responded by flying to Quetta and sacking the provincial government.
But rule by a governor directly appointed by Islamabad has not been able to stop what has been termed a "Shia genocide" in Pakistan. Many Shias are demanding the army take direct control of Baluchistan, something critics of military policy in the province say misses the point.
"The fact is that the military and paramilitary forces have been in control of the province all the time," said Ali Dayan Hasan, Pakistan director of Human Rights Watch.
"When protesters demand army rule in Quetta in effect what they are doing is calling the army's bluff, asking it to take responsibility for what it has in fact been in charge of all along."
But it is criticism from popular journalists like Mir, who was once thought to be close to the army, that will most sting the ISI.
"Some of these people who go by the name of Lashkar-e-Jhangvi are part of the same private death squads created by the security agencies against Baluch militants," Mir told the Guardian hours before he prepared to repeat his claims on his hugely popular programme Capital Talk.
"Yes, sometimes they oblige the security agencies by taking action against the Baluch militants, but on the other hand they quietly organise their own actions against the Shia community.
"Every Pakistani is aware that this is a complete failure by the intelligence agencies. Now we want to know, what action has the governor of the province, or the president, or the army chief, taken against these failed intelligence operators?"
Violence by Sunni fundamentalists against Shias, who they regard as apostates, is a growing problem in Pakistan. There have been attacks in every major city and murderous ambushes of buses carrying Shia passengers in the mountainous north.
The outlook for Quetta's 500,000 Hazaras is especially bleak. As an ethnic group, they have distinctive features that make them easy to target and also speak a dialect of Persian.
Pakistan military intelligence under fire for failing to prevent Quetta bombing | World news | The Guardian
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Guess what my Shia's friend told me today....
"It pure propoganda .... our enemies refuelling communities in Pakistan"
"more thn 40+,000 Pakistani died in which majority belongs to Sunni but there was not a single protest "Difference" in Pakistan. Now our enemies trying to do what they did in FALUJA, IRAQ"
Past 10 years thousands of Sunnis died but what we heared is "PAKISTANI DIED" now "Shia killing" etc making difference creating Choas in the community thats what real plan behind all this Target (Shia) in Pakistan.
"It pure propoganda .... our enemies refuelling communities in Pakistan"
"more thn 40+,000 Pakistani died in which majority belongs to Sunni but there was not a single protest "Difference" in Pakistan. Now our enemies trying to do what they did in FALUJA, IRAQ"
Past 10 years thousands of Sunnis died but what we heared is "PAKISTANI DIED" now "Shia killing" etc making difference creating Choas in the community thats what real plan behind all this Target (Shia) in Pakistan.
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some comments on earlier pages are very shameful
please take it as a human tragedy and keep your sectarian arguments to one side
blaming RAW, MOSAD, CIA, Iran and Saudi Arabia wont help you and you will drown in your own senescence
you are a laughing stock of the world the way you people are justifying murder and explaining these killings because Iran and Syria are violent against the sunnis or because Zardari is a shia or because Shias control the media .. how does it explain and justify defenceless and innocent hazaras is beyond me...
oh by the way
check this open pamphlet out by Lashker Jhangvi
and following is the translation of the above
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please take it as a human tragedy and keep your sectarian arguments to one side
blaming RAW, MOSAD, CIA, Iran and Saudi Arabia wont help you and you will drown in your own senescence
you are a laughing stock of the world the way you people are justifying murder and explaining these killings because Iran and Syria are violent against the sunnis or because Zardari is a shia or because Shias control the media .. how does it explain and justify defenceless and innocent hazaras is beyond me...
oh by the way
check this open pamphlet out by Lashker Jhangvi
and following is the translation of the above
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May be because LeJ left pamhplets in Shia majority regions telling them to either change or leave the land.
Also, LeJ issuing statements that they will kill the Shias and clean the land.
Are the enemies of the nations, yes, but aren't they specifically saying and targeting Shias. The reason behind the attack always bear significance and its the reasons one also has to count in to understand the problem and finding the solution.
Does it matter who is killed as long as they are killed. We all know that but we have to use take things as they are. The enemies are not outside, but inside Pakistan.
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please dont say such things
if shia take law into their own hand and resort to violence (like some of them did back in 90s) then the entire shia population will pay because then the security agencies and the sectarian terrorists will join together to kill even more shia.
the weak always suffers the most. resorting to violence of tit for tat will result in loosing the sympathy of moderate sunnis as well.
its the duty of the state to look after its citizens for all its worth the CJ has taken notice of these killings now so lets see if there is indeed an operation.
LeJ can achieve what no other hostile nation has achieved so far. its unchecked continued operations can result in the disintegration of the country because all hostile countries will jump in and fund and support their proxies and make Pakistanis kill each other at even bigger scale than Iraq and Syria
grow up man
dont be a troll
the media is fanning this issue just like the Red Mosque
people use your head and dont play at the hands of those who want the terrorists to win
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seperate state / country for Hazara might be practical solution. Very difficult to implement as the voices of Shias are weak in pakistan.
http://dawn.com/2013/02/17/time-for-shias-to-leave-pakistan/comment-page-4/#comments
http://dawn.com/2013/02/17/time-for-shias-to-leave-pakistan/comment-page-4/#comments
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Pakistan is not ruled by Iran
shias should force the state to protect them through peaceful means. so far despite the onslaught against them they have remained peaceful.
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Isn't this already happening?
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seperate state / country for Hazara might be practical solution. Very difficult to implement as the voices of Shias are weak in pakistan.
you must be very young, do you advocate making a separate state in Afghanistan too? they got same problem from Afghan taliban
and by the way how about your own country? just because its bit quiet right now doesnt mean that same suggested solution shouldnt be applied to your hot spots.
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