Tigris Shield Peace Operation Updates & Discussions

[Saddam Hussein]

Ye everything is “easy” for you Arabs yet your armies drop weapons at first opportunity we saw against ISIS.

When you clear PKK then we can leave otherwise don’t moan but yes it’s a land grab and Iraq won’t do anything about it.

TAF left tanks to be captured by IS. ISF did a great job within a short time span of complete collapse, re-formation and rebuilding an army that was virtually non-existant clearing major cities from a tough enemy. As some generals stated, Mosul was the most intense urban battle seen since WW2. In military history lands are lost and regained continuously and you're no exception; (Izmir).

Bashiqa base perimeters is already controlled by ISF, that's not the point. The point is what is the purpose of wanting a base there a place which serves no anti-PKK need. I don't think we care too much about the mountains of the north, at least I don't. However what I know is that PKK operations intensified and experienced a re-birth in 1991 once Saddam was denied ability to operate in that region. Ever since 1991 you haven't been able to put down this insurgency, now comes news that Iraq wants to take control of the border which is logically beneficial for Turkey it starts to bother you because the news wasn't presented in a 'friendly' manner to your freedom of operating ability.

But all this aside, here's something to think about. Complete Iraqi army control of northern Iraq, including the northern mountains would largely remove and disable PKK ability to operate or launch attacks on Turkey. Meanwhile you can occupy some mountains, it won't change anything. PKK base of operations is throughout the entire KRG which you cannot take, they not be denied safe-haven in Iraq that way. Saddam denied them safe-haven hence PKK level of activity was low.. until the US established the northern no-fly zone in 1991. That's when it re-emerged, a video uploaded by Halil Uysal in 1991 showing attacks and the 1993 attack. I think Saddam Hossain fought the PKK better than Erdogan himself.

 

[CAN_TR]

TAF left tanks to be captured by IS.

LOL.

 

[CrimsonFury]

How is that?

Baghdad is actually being very reasonable. To Iraq there is a Turkish threat of wanting to annex lands, the response you will give me is the usual PKK threat. However whilst PKK is a threat it's also being used as an excuse for other means, the Bashiqa base serves no anti-PKK purpose and was said to be removed after the Mosul OP. That is yet to be seen however it makes sense considering the policy and ideology of AKP as well as what is being seen in Syria.

Iraqi gov so far stated they will deploy border guards on the Turkish border, that's the first step to regaining control over that land and taking responsibility for the land there which includes responsibility that no actor (PKK) attacks other states from that land. Yet you complain?

Iraq is being like Switserland to every neighbor, of which most are actually openly hostile. Very different from Saddam era who would drop chemical weapons on anyone.

We don't want your land. We want you to stop the terrorists in your lands from coming into our country and killing our people. And since it is abundantly obvious you lack the means and the will to do it we have to do it ourselves. **** your visa

 

[Saddam Hussein]

We don't want your land. We want you to stop the terrorists in your lands from coming into our country and killing our people. And since it is abundantly obvious you lack the means and the will to do it we have to do it ourselves. **** your visa

The Visa news, as far as I know is about allowing entry of Turkish troops through the Habur border crossing to use the highway towards Bashiqa base. That entry is being denied, they've no business in that area which is near Mosul and has no PKK around. It was a failed attempt to use Nujaifi (some Muslim brotherhood guy) in taking Mosul.

You want Iraq to stop PKK operating ability yet you respond negatively to Abadi's orders to deploy border guards to the Turkish border. You don't see how contradictory that is? For Abadi to deploy any army troops in the KRG he has to politically navigate through Iraq's system to have an excuse for such deployment. Such a move would first of all be opposed by the peshmega and then fought by the PKK which is having problems with the ISF in Sinjar.

Peshmerga is not an enemy of the PKK, it's an enabler that facilitates freedom of movement for the PKK (As seen when they turned up in Kirkuk 2017). Shares arms with PKK (as AT-4 and other coalition provided arms were found) with Iraq based PKK. This information seems unknown by many Turks whom think the Pesh is some allie in the fight against the PKK. It's been an enabler since the absence of the Iraqi army (1991-onwards). Yet you are mad that Baghdad is working on restoring its military presence in the north?

It's easy for Turkey to crackdown on the PKK through Baghdad by supporting the return of the ISF to the northern mountains. Such a move would cause PKK hostility to emerge with Iraqi forces which would draw both the TAF and ISF in a stance against the PKK. It's very simple indeed, all one has to do is look at the other situations in Sinjar. It's failed foreign policy by AKP, which is not surprising given the failures in Syria.

One example is Kirkuk. Under the KRG the PKK was operating in Kirkuk, today there's no PKK in Kirkuk. Now take that simple logic and apply it to the rest of norhern Iraq.

KRG rule ? --> BKK presence.
Arap rule ? --> No BKK presence

There u go, we solved it.

 

[Oublious]

Iraqi army will never control the north side, under saddam didn´t happen and still won´t happen.

 

[Fenasi Kerim]

TAF left tanks to be captured by IS. ISF did a great job within a short time span of complete collapse, re-formation and rebuilding an army that was virtually non-existant clearing major cities from a tough enemy. As some generals stated, Mosul was the most intense urban battle seen since WW2. In military history lands are lost and regained continuously and you're no exception; (Izmir).

Bashiqa base perimeters is already controlled by ISF, that's not the point. The point is what is the purpose of wanting a base there a place which serves no anti-PKK need. I don't think we care too much about the mountains of the north, at least I don't. However what I know is that PKK operations intensified and experienced a re-birth in 1991 once Saddam was denied ability to operate in that region. Ever since 1991 you haven't been able to put down this insurgency, now comes news that Iraq wants to take control of the border which is logically beneficial for Turkey it starts to bother you because the news wasn't presented in a 'friendly' manner to your freedom of operating ability.

But all this aside, here's something to think about. Complete Iraqi army control of northern Iraq, including the northern mountains would largely remove and disable PKK ability to operate or launch attacks on Turkey. Meanwhile you can occupy some mountains, it won't change anything. PKK base of operations is throughout the entire KRG which you cannot take, they not be denied safe-haven in Iraq that way. Saddam denied them safe-haven hence PKK level of activity was low.. until the US established the northern no-fly zone in 1991. That's when it re-emerged, a video uploaded by Halil Uysal in 1991 showing attacks and the 1993 attack. I think Saddam Hossain fought the PKK better than Erdogan himself.

This Arab monkey deserves another ban, firstly for comparing Turkish operation to Iraqi Arab mass route and surrender, secondly for comparing our independence struggle against 7 nations to his shitty Arab army that couldn’t stop rebels taking over half there country.

@cabatli_53

 

[Saddam Hussein]

Massoud visits PKK in 'Maxmur' AKA Makhmour which Iraqi forces took back last year

Did I just say..
Arap force --> No PKK
KRG --> PKK

 

[OguzSenturk]

We don't need any of them, we have our own armed forces which Barzani Dictatorship cannot resist.

 

[Bismarck]

Massoud visits PKK in 'Maxmur' AKA Makhmour which Iraqi forces took back last year

Did I just say..
Arap force --> No PKK
KRG --> PKK

If you do not work together (Arabs, Turks and Persians), you will not solve the pkk problem.

 

[kartal1]

Can you tell me what the purpose is of Bashiqa base near Mosul? It's not the PKK which has no presence there. According to Erdogan he stated it would be removed after IS is removed from Mosul.

It serves the same objective as the ones in Zaho, Duhok, Batufa, Bamarni, Kani Masi, Amadiya, Erbil, Suleymaniye, Diyana. To keep some people cheering over the tears of the Turkish Nation in check.

How is that?

Baghdad is actually being very reasonable. To Iraq there is a Turkish threat of wanting to annex lands, the response you will give me is the usual PKK threat. However whilst PKK is a threat it's also being used as an excuse for other means, the Bashiqa base serves no anti-PKK purpose and was said to be removed after the Mosul OP. That is yet to be seen however it makes sense considering the policy and ideology of AKP as well as what is being seen in Syria.

Iraqi gov so far stated they will deploy border guards on the Turkish border, that's the first step to regaining control over that land and taking responsibility for the land there which includes responsibility that no actor (PKK) attacks other states from that land. Yet you complain?

Iraq is being like Switserland to every neighbor, of which most are actually openly hostile. Very different from Saddam era who would drop chemical weapons on anyone.

The only objective is to counter our counter terror operations not prevent PKK from entering from your land. Nobody expected something less. We are listening to these songs from Barzani for decades and the central government is no different in any mean. Both are playing nice songs, both are "cooperating" against PKK, both have deep relations with PKK when see an opportunity and at the end both will cry a lot because no visa refusal can stop the Turkish soldier from pursuing the filthy dogs whatever the location is.

The cooperation of two liars means nothing. We can do whatever is needed and we are doing it.

If needed the Turkish soldier is in Kenya

If needed the Turkish soldier is in Duhok

If needed the Turkish soldier is in Erbil

If needed the Turkish soldier is in Latakia

 

[Saddam Hussein]

We don't need any of them, we have our own armed forces which Barzani Dictatorship cannot resist.

Won't work

 

[Saddam Hussein]

We don't need any of them, we have our own armed forces which Barzani Dictatorship cannot resist.

Military might doesn't solve everything and Turkey is not the US either when it comes to military might. Once you start to understand that you can solve problems the right way.

It serves the same objective as the ones in Zaho, Duhok, Batufa, Bamarni, Kani Masi, Amadiya, Erbil, Suleymaniye, Diyana. To keep some people cheering over the tears of the Turkish Nation in check.

The only objective is to counter our counter terror operations not prevent PKK from entering from your land. Nobody expected something less. We are listening to these songs from Barzani for decades and the central government is no different in any mean. Both are playing nice songs, both are "cooperating" against PKK, both have deep relations with PKK when see an opportunity and at the end both will cry a lot because no visa refusal can stop the Turkish soldier from pursuing the filthy dogs whatever the location is.

Visa refusal isn't about PKK related ops it's about Bashiqa. Entering Qandil is through mountains, not a border crossing. Troop movement to Bashiqa base is through an official border crossing, unless you plan to drive a truck, tank or something similar over a mountain that's what the visa refusal thing serves.

Your operational area is limited to some mountains in the north, I just posted a video showing PKK in Makhmur last year when it was still controlled by Barzani, Makhmur is further south than Mosul. Point with that is that military might won't solve that issue on the Iraqi battlefields. The problem is Turkey's policy of the last 10 years of close cooperation with Barzani and hostility to Baghdad through support to Atheel al Nujaifi and other Muslim Brotherhood figures. This only changed last year as Erdogan saw the independence referendum move, before that he was fueling the Kurds.

 

[OguzSenturk]

Why do you care? It's the problem between Turkish Republic and Barzani Dictatorship.

 

[Saddam Hussein]

Why do you care? It's the problem between Turkish Republic and Barzani Dictatorship.

Barzanistan is within Iraq and fed by Iraq's money, I guess i'm from Iraq right.

 

[kartal1]

Military might doesn't solve everything and Turkey is not the US either when it comes to military might. Once you start to understand that you can solve problems the right way.



Visa refusal isn't about PKK related ops it's about Bashiqa. Entering Qandil is through mountains, not a border crossing. Troop movement to Bashiqa base is through an official border crossing, unless you plan to drive a truck, tank or something similar over a mountain that's what the visa refusal thing serves.

Your operational area is limited to some mountains in the north, I just posted a video showing PKK in Makhmur last year when it was still controlled by Barzani, Makhmur is further south than Mosul. Point with that is that military might won't solve that issue on the Iraqi battlefields. The problem is Turkey's policy of the last 10 years of close cooperation with Barzani and hostility to Baghdad through support to Atheel al Nujaifi and other Muslim Brotherhood figures. This only changed last year as Erdogan saw the independence referendum move, before that he was fueling the Kurds.

Our operational area is not limited to mountains in the North. Our operational area is all over Northern Iraq including the areas close to Mosul and Kirkuk. We have to make sure that nothing happens without our approvement there. I understand its sole Iraqi territory also like Syria but everything that is happening in the region is concern for our national security and we must make sure that we keep the situation in check and in possible stand off or instability there are already strategies that are ready to be implemented. As I said all of the following bases Zaho, Duhok, Batufa, Bamarni, Kani Masi, Amadiya, Erbil, Suleymaniye, Diyana AND Bashiqa have special status. They are not just bases to fight PKK. The locations of the bases are strategic and also the forces that are serving in those bases are strategic. Those bases are safeguarding our right to have a word in the future of the region as it concerns us maybe even more than you no matter that its actually on Iraqi soil. If we hear so much cry over the bases from the central government it means that we are doing our job good.