Tiananmen Square Massacre (1989)

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Since folk here like to talk so much about the Tankman, I will post two vide in here.
One which is unedited and the other one which is edited by CNN.

When comparing the two videos, you can find these differences.

1, Original video doesn't have any background sound. CNN video has gun shooting sounds. Strangely enough you can see people on the street are very calm (Check 2:01 of second video).
Are these normal behavior and reaction of people reaction when there are so manh gun shots and explosion around.

2, CNN has intentionally cut the end part of this video. Which misled many people to believe the "tank man” was eventually crushed by tank.
As far as we know, many non-Chinese still believe PLA like to kill people by tank crush. Although this sounds rather stupid.

If PLA are so ruthless, that army officer who was driving the tank instead of trying to dodge the guy should just knock or roll over him, that would be much easier. Even much more easier was to shoot him.

CNN edited version which was broadcasted over decades.

Versus

The unedited and origin video.

 

[gangsta_rap]

As far as we know, many non-Chinese still believe PLA like to kill people by tank crush. Although this sounds rather stupid.

 

[beijingwalker]

Some people did die that night, I know it for a fact. No one died inside Tiananmen Square, PLA ended that months long chaos and brought China back to development.
Why some stupid people refer Tiananmen square riot with WWII? Tiananmen incident was a pure Chinese domestic event with no foreign troops involved, are they naturally dumb or pretend to be?

 

[Song Hong]

PLA did fired on people near Tiananmen (estimated n x10 to n x 100 death), not in the square itself. Tiananmen was a in essence a failed coup by Zhao Ziyang faction against Deng. During the 90s, not unlike USSR, significant number of CPC upper class started to believe in democracy.

Meanwhile Deng was watching.

Then the liberal faction of CPC mounted a power struggle against Deng by mobilizing the people. Deng realized he has to move in the army and kill people, then purge all the liberal elements. A deal was agreed that PM Li Peng would take the blame (PM Li Peng was a very capable administrator), so that at the end, Deng can still act as the final arbitor of things.

The killing set the stage and mold the psychology, else it would be impossible to purge the liberal elites.

(The protesters could be easily driven out by the shear number of PLA divisions in Beijing. Killing was chosen for political purpose.)

 

[beijingwalker]

Tiananmen generation now are largely in charge of China's political structure. 30 years ago the west claim that this generation will dig the grave and bury CCP when they are mature and take control of China, what the west sees now is wolf warrior diplomacy instead, this Chinese generation is busy digging the grave for US global hegemony and intend to bury it with their own hands.

 

[Song Hong]

After Tiananmen, there is no longer any powerful liberal political forces. They are all purged. So there is no more protests motivated by political idealism. (The killings set up the stage to purge the liberals. The killings were done deliberately)

CPC more or less aligned internally.

There are some protest motivated by monetary dispute (especially land acquisition) but this can be easily handled.

Hence, there probably wont be anymore Tiananmen in the short and middle term.

CPC old guards reportedly said that fortunately, Tiananmen incidence happened when we are around (old guards). These old guards got power by baptism of fire and war.

And they will not hesitate to sacrifice some people if they think this provide bigger benefit.

 

[rott]

A fine evening in Beijing nothing really extraordinary

Common people are scared of Government. You retarded commies not gonna admit.

OMG a whole lot of evidence, shooting, dying, people getting run over by tanks, Chinese getting gunned down by the the PLA. You guys surely rock. We surrender. You win.

 

[Song Hong]

I see more likelihood of Tiananmen 2.0 in USA. It will happen within 20 years. Then, USA no longer have the moral authority on lecturing China.

 

[Goritoes]

There are far worse massacre that happen under many white washed Govts which were put under the rug, or never been recognized at crime against Humanity.

 

[CAPRICORN-88]

Why don't we commemorate the victims of real genocides of the 20th Century committed by USA at Hiroshima and Nagasaki in Japan?

These victims were ordinary people and inocent civilians. They were not soldiers.

 

[Paul2]

PLA did fired on people near Tiananmen (estimated n x10 to n x 100 death), not in the square itself. Tiananmen was a in essence a failed coup by Zhao Ziyang faction against Deng. During the 90s, not unlike USSR, significant number of CPC upper class started to believe in democracy.

Meanwhile Deng was watching.

Then the liberal faction of CPC mounted a power struggle against Deng by mobilizing the people. Deng realized he has to move in the army and kill people, then purge all the liberal elements. A deal was agreed that PM Li Peng would take the blame (PM Li Peng was a very capable administrator), so that at the end, Deng can still act as the final arbitor of things.

The killing set the stage and mold the psychology, else it would be impossible to purge the liberal elites.

(The protesters could be easily driven out by the shear number of PLA divisions in Beijing. Killing was chosen for political purpose.)

Zhao was a political eunich, he couldn't have imaginably toppled Deng.

He couldn't have even contemplated that.

 

[denel]

@denel is a liar, he is not interested in facts. In other thread he claimed that Putin made a statement about cutting every muslim man's d..k. When I asked him to prove it, he didn't.

US trolls are butthurt that their attempt to weaken China in 1989 failed.

As i told you in your prior thread; it is not my problem you were not even born when Beslan took place. Look at the archives footage of Putin's interview with the press.

thats like saying Japanese Unit 731 was testing chemicals on Chinese for R&D purposes

what is our view on this unit ?

Of course their denial and to rewrite history.

btw - what happened to the Tiannenmen Mothers group who would be there with silent protests - taken for reducation?

China: No Justice for Tiananmen Emboldens Abuses

(New York) – The Chinese government should accept responsibility for the massacre of an untold number of peaceful pro-democracy demonstrators around June 4, 1989.

www.hrw.org

And to question even one of the CCP's lies is to call into question the legitimacy of a regime built on lies. I understand that for the CCP's supporters they cannot entertain even the slightest doubt in any of the regimes narrative.

The Tienanmen incident is one of the easiest to cast doubt into the minds of the Chinese people, the evidence is right there in the footage. If the government is lying to them about this, what else are they lying about? I suspect that the closer a Chinese person is to the actual workings of the CCP the more they understand the truth.

Here it is:

Of course the people here are 'fake'; the mothers who lost their childen are all western agents ... LMAO.

We definitely now know that Nanjing was a fabrication by the communists too.

The Nanking Hoax:A Historian Analyzes the Events of 1937 | Society for the Dissemination of Historical Fact

www.sdh-fact.com

 

[bbccdd1470]

There is a big different between the protesters that were in at Tian An Men and the protesters in the streets leading to it.

No one died at Tian An Men.

He didn't even get this basic fact right, how could he be creditable in this matter...

Some people did die that night, I know it for a fact.

I think it was around 200 people including both side.

 

[denel]

Ok, so you admit civilians/soldiers died that night...except they weren't technically in the square.

So when all the Chinese here say a blanket "Nobody died in Tianemen that night...it is all complete Western blatant fabrications and BS"

They really mean "Yes, there were people killed that night but they weren't technically in the square so the Western media is only half-correct"

Amazing - Mao's collusion with the Japanese - truth finally comes out. Then they cover up by blaming Japanese.

Truth of Mao Zedong’s Collusion with the Japanese Army (1)

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