Tiananmen Square Massacre (1989)

[beijingwalker]

Ok, so you admit civilians/soldiers died that night...except they weren't technically in the square.

So when all the Chinese here say a blanket "Nobody died in Tianemen that night...it is all complete Western blatant fabrications and BS"

They really mean "Yes, there were people killed that night but they weren't technically in the square so the Western media is only half-correct"

Some people did die that night, but not inside the Tiananmen square. PLA saved China from plunging into chaos like what happened to China in the late Qing dynasty, hats off to the PLA soldiers.

 

[sinait]

Ok, so you admit civilians/soldiers died that night...except they weren't technically in the square.

So when all the Chinese here say a blanket "Nobody died in Tianemen that night...it is all complete Western blatant fabrications and BS"

They really mean "Yes, there were people killed that night but they weren't technically in the square so the Western media is only half-correct"

Soldiers were BURNED ALIVE IN BUSES by CIA instigated MOBSTERS and RIOTERS on the streets.
Nobody died at TIANANMEN SQUARE.
The students at the square were allowed to leave peacefully WITNESSED BY THE SPANISH TV CREW who spoke out only recently.

Yes, you were EASILY BRAINWASHED by your FAKE NEWS GANG.

Tiananmen "Massacre"? and The Unrelenting Monopoly Media Agenda - Global Research

When we search the internet for ‘Tiananmen Square Massacre’, there are hundreds of thousands of hyperlinks to books, news, articles, and videos that describe the event as a “Massacre”; and even the reputable Encyclopaedia Britannica also cites the Western media as sources to describe the 1989...

www.globalresearch.ca

May 17, 2017

Tiananmen “Massacre”? and The Unrelenting Monopoly Media Agenda

This is despite the fact that, in 1998, Washington Post journalist Jay Mathews confessed in the Columbia Journalism Review that “no one died at Tiananmen Square” and that “it is hard to find a journalist who has not contributed to the misimpression”.

In 2004, the Christian Science Monitor revealed that Human Rights Watch decided not to publish their 52-page eye-witness report that confirmed the Chinese side of the story. In 2009, BBC journalist James Miles admitted that he had “conveyed the wrong impression.” CBS journalist, Richard Roth also confessed in 2009 that

“we saw no bodies, injured people, ambulances or medical personnel – in short, nothing to even suggest, let alone prove, that a “massacre” had recently occurred in that place,” however, Roth continues: “ after a debrief[ing] on-air by Dan Rather (London office), I made an effort to avoid using the word “massacre””, and acknowledged that he did not “make a point trying to contradict a colleague on the air.”

Are you aware of the circumstances under which these journalists suddenly decided to admit their years of contribution to the “misimpression”? Are you aware that they then tried to change the story to a “Beijing Massacre” with the exception of Graham Earnshaw – a Reuters journalist who wrote in his personal memoirs without a single word suggesting that he witnessed any killing by the PLA inside and outside the Tiananmen Square? As a matter of fact, after witnessing how the PLA took control of Tiananmen Square without injuring anyone, Earnshaw left the Square and walked to one of the alleys where he witnessed how a PLA commander dispersed a crowd. This is a direct quote from Earnshaw’s memoirs:

“A PLA commander shouts at the crowd to disperse and warns that his troops will fire if people didn’t go. Still, people hold their ground. The troops lift their rifles and fire above the heads of the crowd.”
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[Paul2]

Soviet Union collapsed in 1992. Tianamen square happened in 1989. Get your history , right! Don't make a fool of yourself.

Soviet Union collapsed in 1991

Yeah, they had gun, so they were not "peaceful protestors and students". Also I once saw a picture of burnt soldier dead body.

Well, those fought very poorly. They had 3 days to seize Beijing before a first army the size enough to reach the capital was there.

But they chose to camp on the square, and wave flags, and statues instead.

P.S. Rule #1 of warfare: Never Leave Your Weapons, Second Rule #1: never leave your weapon unarmed.

 

[Beast]

Soviet Union collapsed in 1991
Well, those fought very poorly. They had 3 days to seize Beijing before a first army the size enough to reach the capital was there.

But they chose to camp on the square, and wave flags, and statues instead.

P.S. Rule #1 of warfare: Never Leave Your Weapons, Second Rule #1: never leave your weapon unarmed.

You really think Beijing is unarmed even without first army? It will be useless to capture Beijing if Deng and all other important leaders fly out.

 

[denel]

Tiananmen Square, in the heart of the Chinese capital Beijing, has been a place of enormous significance in modern Chinese history. For seven weeks in the spring and early summer of 1989, it was the focus of unparalleled protests by students and workers against the political and economic system, leading to a brutal government crackdown and international condemnation of the communist regime.

Student leaders: Wang Dan, Wu'erkaixi, Chai Ling, Shen Tong, Liu Gang, Feng Congde, Li Lu, Wang Youcai,
Hardliners: Deng Xiaoping, Li Peng, Yang Shangkun, Yao Yilin, Chen Yun, Qiao Shi, Li Ximing, Chen Xitong, Chi Haotian, Liu Huaqing, Li Xiannian
Moderates: Zhao Ziyang, Hu Qili, Yan Mingfu, Bao Tong, Wan Li, Xi Zhongxun, Xu Qinxian,
Intellectuals: Liu Xiaobo, Wang Juntao, Dai Qing, Hou Dejian, Cui Jian, Zhang Boli, Chen Mingyuan

As far as the communist and their proxy brigade on this forum... this never happened. Well, sorry to say, we all watched what happened. My good friend was there as a student when Zhao came to meet with them; how many hundreds died.
similarly of course Uighurs are not in concentration camps - life is just dandy. Covid did not exist; SARS did not exist etc etc. etc..... Just label is as a western propaganda.
Yes of course - let us give the counter narrative - Nanjing also did not occur; Japanese were there to educate not to occupy. Mao was a murderer, Great LEap forward did not results in millions of death due to famine etc etc. the list goes on.


It is a slippery slope to re-write and bury history or deny it existed.

 

[sinait]

As far as the communist and their proxy brigade on this forum... this never happened. Well, sorry to say, we all watched what happened. My good friend was there as a student when Zhao came to meet with them; how many hundreds died.
similarly of course Uighurs are not in concentration camps - life is just dandy. Covid did not exist; SARS did not exist etc etc. etc..... Just label is as a western propaganda.
Yes of course - let us give the counter narrative - Nanjing also did not occur; Japanese were there to educate not to occupy. Mao was a murderer, Great LEap forward did not results in millions of death due to famine etc etc. the list goes on.


It is a slippery slope to re-write and bury history or deny it existed.

we all watched what happened

YOU ARE VERY GOOD AT LYING.
Or show us proof.

So many Western Journalists at the TIANANMEN RIOTS, but NOT A SINGLE PICTURE OR CLIP that showed killing or violence on the SQUARE.
Mostly only showing how the CIA INSTIGATED FRENZIED MOBS BURNING VEHICLES AND THE INNOCENT SOLDIERS INSIDE ALIVE ON THE STREETS and the resulting retaliation.

Google for Tiananmen Soldiers Burned Alive to see the Gruesome Pictures.

REMARKABLE TO NOTE HOW HUMANE AND PATIENT THE PLA TANK COLUMN WAS TRYING TO AVOID RUNNING OVER THE RECKLESS and STUPID TANKMAN on the following day on their way out of the Square being depicted and manipulated as massacre on the Square.
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[patero]

Soldiers were BURNED ALIVE IN BUSES by CIA instigated MOBSTERS and RIOTERS on the streets.
Nobody died at TIANANMEN SQUARE.
The students at the square were allowed to leave peacefully WITNESSED BY THE SPANISH TV CREW who spoke out only recently.

Yes, you were EASILY BRAINWASHED by your FAKE NEWS GANG.

Tiananmen "Massacre"? and The Unrelenting Monopoly Media Agenda - Global Research

When we search the internet for ‘Tiananmen Square Massacre’, there are hundreds of thousands of hyperlinks to books, news, articles, and videos that describe the event as a “Massacre”; and even the reputable Encyclopaedia Britannica also cites the Western media as sources to describe the 1989...

www.globalresearch.ca

May 17, 2017

Tiananmen “Massacre”? and The Unrelenting Monopoly Media Agenda

This is despite the fact that, in 1998, Washington Post journalist Jay Mathews confessed in the Columbia Journalism Review that “no one died at Tiananmen Square” and that “it is hard to find a journalist who has not contributed to the misimpression”.

In 2004, the Christian Science Monitor revealed that Human Rights Watch decided not to publish their 52-page eye-witness report that confirmed the Chinese side of the story. In 2009, BBC journalist James Miles admitted that he had “conveyed the wrong impression.” CBS journalist, Richard Roth also confessed in 2009 that

“we saw no bodies, injured people, ambulances or medical personnel – in short, nothing to even suggest, let alone prove, that a “massacre” had recently occurred in that place,” however, Roth continues: “ after a debrief[ing] on-air by Dan Rather (London office), I made an effort to avoid using the word “massacre””, and acknowledged that he did not “make a point trying to contradict a colleague on the air.”

Are you aware of the circumstances under which these journalists suddenly decided to admit their years of contribution to the “misimpression”? Are you aware that they then tried to change the story to a “Beijing Massacre” with the exception of Graham Earnshaw – a Reuters journalist who wrote in his personal memoirs without a single word suggesting that he witnessed any killing by the PLA inside and outside the Tiananmen Square? As a matter of fact, after witnessing how the PLA took control of Tiananmen Square without injuring anyone, Earnshaw left the Square and walked to one of the alleys where he witnessed how a PLA commander dispersed a crowd. This is a direct quote from Earnshaw’s memoirs:

“A PLA commander shouts at the crowd to disperse and warns that his troops will fire if people didn’t go. Still, people hold their ground. The troops lift their rifles and fire above the heads of the crowd.”
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Do you actually believe this? Turn your filters off and look at some of the actual footage, there is a mountain of evidence which contradicts the CCP narrative you have brought into. If you really are Singaporean, you can access it on youtube.

 

[sinait]

Do you actually believe this? Turn your filters off and look at some of the actual footage, there is a mountain of evidence which contradicts the CCP narrative you have brought into. If you really are Singaporean, you can access it on youtube.

Sorry, why don't you give me a link instead?
All I get were CIA INSTIGATED FRENZIED MOBS BURNING INNOCENT SOLDIERS ALIVE IN THEIR VEHICLES on the streets and the resulting retaliation.

The "Tiananmen Square massacre" is constantly referred to. Why have I never seen film or video footage of a single death? The cameras were there, were they not? | Notes and Queries | guardian.co.uk

www.theguardian.com

The "Tiananmen Square massacre" is constantly referred to.
Why have I never seen film or video footage of a single death?
The cameras were there, were they not?

Google for "Tiananmen Soldiers burned Alive" for the gruesome pictures.
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[denel]

Do you actually believe this? Turn your filters off and look at some of the actual footage, there is a mountain of evidence which contradicts the CCP narrative you have brought into. If you really are Singaporean, you can access it on youtube.

Of course he cannot, he is not singaporean, these are all the communist wolf warriors they have inflitrated across this forum to narrate their version of history.

Of course, the footage of Nanjing and evidence was all fake too. Remember Communist China Party does not lie; it is God. So being God, it is unfalible.

Also these are state actors because Tiannenmen incident is banned in China; Anyway, he has been reported; he is a new proxy actor on the scene and a pretty aggressive one too.

Being brave behind keyboards is all these minions can do, come out and face the sticks of the people power they wont. Remember they get paid to be on such forums to instigate, spread lies, rumours, create confusion and anarchy.

 

[sinait]

Of course he cannot, he is not singaporean, these are all the communist wolf warriors they have inflitrated across this forum to narrate their version of history.

Of course, the footage of Nanjing and evidence was all fake too. Remember Communist China Party does not lie; it is God. So being God, it is unfalible.

Also these are state actors because Tiannenmen incident is banned in China; Anyway, he has been reported; he is a new proxy actor on the scene and a pretty aggressive one too.

Being brave behind keyboards is all these minions can do, come out and face the sticks of the people power they wont. Remember they get paid to be on such forums to instigate, spread lies, rumours, create confusion and anarchy.

Stop your Ad Hominem LIES.

Just give me a link showing killing at Tiananmen Square.
Not the CIA INSTIGATED FRENZIED MOBS BURNING INNOCENT SOLDIERS ALIVE inside their vehicles.

Worth noting is this journalist is certainly anti China with his biased reporting as this article will reveal.
But facts gleaned from this biased report would suggest otherwise.

I watched the 1989 Tiananmen uprising. China has never been the same

In the predawn hours of June 4, 1989, the Chinese army was bringing a bloody end to seven weeks of student-led protests centered on Tiananmen Square, Beijing’s historic center.

www.latimes.com

I watched the 1989 Tiananmen uprising
By David Holley May 30, 2019

Soon a single armored personnel carrier came hurtling around a corner, headed toward the square. As it clambered over red-and-white concrete traffic barriers placed by protesters, I nearly kept up with it, weaving my own way around the barriers — which might stop trucks and cars but not tanks and bicycles. Finally the driver stopped when he encountered too thick a crowd on a side street at the northeast corner of the square. It seemed he was unwilling to start killing masses of people by running them over. Once the armored vehicle stopped, someone thrust a thick metal bar into its treads.

The furious crowd threw burning blankets and Molotov cocktails onto the vehicle; a few young men got on top and began banging the hatch. They managed an opening and started throwing burning objects inside. Three soldiers jumped out, scattering into the crowd. I followed one, and watched as he ran in a zigzag pattern while being severely beaten with pipes and sticks. Blood dripped down his face, which held a look of terror.

I accept a 1989 Chinese government figure that “several dozen” soldiers and police were killed by protesters.
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[patero]

Of course he cannot, he is not singaporean, these are all the communist wolf warriors they have inflitrated across this forum to narrate their version of history.

Of course, the footage of Nanjing and evidence was all fake too. Remember Communist China Party does not lie; it is God. So being God, it is unfalible.

Also these are state actors because Tiannenmen incident is banned in China; Anyway, he has been reported; he is a new proxy actor on the scene and a pretty aggressive one too.

Being brave behind keyboards is all these minions can do, come out and face the sticks of the people power they wont. Remember they get paid to be on such forums to instigate, spread lies, rumours, create confusion and anarchy.

And to question even one of the CCP's lies is to call into question the legitimacy of a regime built on lies. I understand that for the CCP's supporters they cannot entertain even the slightest doubt in any of the regimes narrative.

The Tienanmen incident is one of the easiest to cast doubt into the minds of the Chinese people, the evidence is right there in the footage. If the government is lying to them about this, what else are they lying about? I suspect that the closer a Chinese person is to the actual workings of the CCP the more they understand the truth.

 

[sinait]

And to question even one of the CCP's lies is to call into question the legitimacy of a regime built on lies. I understand that for the CCP's supporters they cannot entertain even the slightest doubt in any of the regimes narrative.

The Tienanmen incident is one of the easiest to cast doubt into the minds of the Chinese people, the evidence is right there in the footage. If the government is lying to them about this, what else are they lying about? I suspect that the closer a Chinese person is to the actual workings of the CCP the more they understand the truth.

FOR ACTUAL MASSACRES, check out the US My Lai MASSACRE or the AUSTRALIAN Afghanistan MASSACRE.

Don't be BRAINWASHED by your FAKE NEWS GANG.
Or are you part of the FAKE NEWS perpetrators?
Also read how good your FAKE NEWS GANG are at FABRICATING ATROCITIES to Malign and Smear Adversaries, and check out "Nayirah Testimony".

AS FOR LYING NO ONE BEATS WE LIED, WE CHEAT, WE STOLE.
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[aziqbal]

You really think Beijing is unarmed even without first army? It will be useless to capture Beijing if Deng and all other important leaders fly out.

thats like saying Japanese Unit 731 was testing chemicals on Chinese for R&D purposes

what is our view on this unit ?

 

[Piotr]

Stop your Ad Hominem LIES.

Just give me a link showing killing at Tiananmen Square.
Not the CIA INSTIGATED FRENZIED MOBS BURNING INNOCENT SOLDIERS ALIVE inside their vehicles.

Worth noting is this journalist is certainly anti China with his biased reporting as this article will reveal.
But facts gleaned from this biased report would suggest otherwise.

I watched the 1989 Tiananmen uprising. China has never been the same

In the predawn hours of June 4, 1989, the Chinese army was bringing a bloody end to seven weeks of student-led protests centered on Tiananmen Square, Beijing’s historic center.

www.latimes.com

I watched the 1989 Tiananmen uprising
By David Holley May 30, 2019

Soon a single armored personnel carrier came hurtling around a corner, headed toward the square. As it clambered over red-and-white concrete traffic barriers placed by protesters, I nearly kept up with it, weaving my own way around the barriers — which might stop trucks and cars but not tanks and bicycles. Finally the driver stopped when he encountered too thick a crowd on a side street at the northeast corner of the square. It seemed he was unwilling to start killing masses of people by running them over. Once the armored vehicle stopped, someone thrust a thick metal bar into its treads.

The furious crowd threw burning blankets and Molotov cocktails onto the vehicle; a few young men got on top and began banging the hatch. They managed an opening and started throwing burning objects inside. Three soldiers jumped out, scattering into the crowd. I followed one, and watched as he ran in a zigzag pattern while being severely beaten with pipes and sticks. Blood dripped down his face, which held a look of terror.

I accept a 1989 Chinese government figure that “several dozen” soldiers and police were killed by protesters.
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@denel is a liar, he is not interested in facts. In other thread he claimed that Putin made a statement about cutting every muslim man's d..k. When I asked him to prove it, he didn't.

US trolls are butthurt that their attempt to weaken China in 1989 failed.

 

[Nan Yang]

Um..not even soldiers in APCs...
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There is a big different between the protesters that were in at Tian An Men and the protesters in the streets leading to it.

No one died at Tian An Men.