Thoughts?

[pak-marine]

From the markets and schools of Pakistan to the halls and streets of France, we have all suffered at the hands of violent terrorists and their extremist ideologies. Across the globe, nations and leaders are taking whatever steps necessary to curb this plague of violence. Recently, Pakistani leadership has passed a constitutional amendment to deal with militants wreaking havoc on Pakistani soil.

What are your thoughts on the ratification of this constitutional amendment? Would it help deter others from following the path of terrorism?

Haroon Ahmad
DET – U.S. Central Command
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Read Kebab blog by Nadeem paracha a blog at dawn.com ..may help you figure

 

[Selous]

I am definitely against terrorism, but look at what did Western governments say after this tragedy. Free Speech???Democracy?? WTF? Are freedom and democracy have to be demonstrated by insulting other religion beliefs? The same thing with the film "Interview" which insults North Korean leader and made the real alive foreign president killed in this movie. Are these so called free speech???

Civilians are innocent. But they just paid for their fcking governments.

Anyway, just put religions aside. Isn't Safety a far more important thing than politic ideologies after this attack? A dozen of ppl got killed, and politicians just seem like got a tool. It really make me disgusted to hear words like "free speech" or "democracy" right after such a tragedy. And apparently it does no help in this case but cause more hostility among communities .

The most disgusting thing nowadays is that western governments turn serious political terms of "Democracy" and "freedom" into kind of a new religion and even lunched wars by the name of it.

Truth is: there is no unlimited freedom in any kind of form. People got FBI at the door by just joking online, and insulting a religion or a foreign leader on a public media is FREE SPEECH and get underwritten by government!

Free Speech means Free Insulting? I only know this kind of magazine can never be allowed to publish in China, a country which "has no Religion Freedom" in western media's views. Irony？Western governments are true brain washers who have been dedicated to fool ppl all over the world. NO, they claim themselves as "world".

Bravo sir bravo. Well said.

 

[AshishDelhi]

Bravo sir bravo. Well said.

Fair enough. You don't want them to make cartoons of Mohammed and they call it free speech. I think in such a case you guys should go back to your Islamic countries rather than living in their countries and ask them to follow Islamic rules?

I am definitely against terrorism, but look at what did Western governments say after this tragedy. Free Speech???Democracy?? WTF? Are freedom and democracy have to be demonstrated by insulting other religion beliefs? The same thing with the film "Interview" which insults North Korean leader and made the real alive foreign president killed in this movie. Are these so called free speech???

Civilians are innocent. But they just paid for their fcking governments.

Anyway, just put religions aside. Isn't Safety a far more important thing than politic ideologies after this attack? A dozen of ppl got killed, and politicians just seem like got a tool. It really make me disgusted to hear words like "free speech" or "democracy" right after such a tragedy. And apparently it does no help in this case but cause more hostility among communities .

The most disgusting thing nowadays is that western governments turn serious political terms of "Democracy" and "freedom" into kind of a new religion and even lunched wars by the name of it.

Truth is: there is no unlimited freedom in any kind of form. People got FBI at the door by just joking online, and insulting a religion or a foreign leader on a public media is FREE SPEECH and get underwritten by government!

Free Speech means Free Insulting? I only know this kind of magazine can never be allowed to publish in China, a country which "has no Religion Freedom" in western media's views. Irony？Western governments are true brain washers who have been dedicated to fool ppl all over the world. NO, they claim themselves as "world".

If China is so perfect then knife wielding terrorists are CIA agents? Why you don't allow them to practice their religion freely. Why you show signs of beware of bearded fellows. There is a song in Punjabi.. That you should not forget you roots as well as should be loyal to land where you earn bread and butter.

 

[Selous]

Fair enough. You don't want them to make cartoons of Mohammed and they call it free speech. I think in such a case you guys should go back to your Islamic countries rather than living in their countries and ask them to follow Islamic rules?

These are not Islamic rules...they are common courtesy and respect. You can not build a peaceful society if some people are allowed to immensely disrespect other people.

 

[Pride]

Few steps must be taken out , if we really want to fight these lunatics ...

1. separate Radicals from non violent Muslims
2. Stop making fun of Prophets and any religion
3. those Muslim who are living in West , should build up relationship with their Govt , and always give information to their govt about any suspicious activities .
4. stop Arming good or bad rebels ..
5. those who still stand up with weapons on the name of Religion , kill them ..

The first part is getting very dangerous at least in South Asia and Middle East. Doctors, Engineers and high profile techies are getting turning to radicals. How do we separate them? Take the Boston Bombing or Bin Laden as well. I think this is the biggest reason trust and gap is widening among Muslims and non-muslims.

 

[AshishDelhi]

These are not Islamic rules...they are common courtesy and respect.

Their country their rules. Are they killing anyone in Islamic countries if they don't get permission to build a Church. Isn't that a common courtesy to allow everyone to freely follow their religion and not to have blasphemy laws. They don't interfere when you marry multiple women which is not such a good practice. But you can't ask for such things in their countries.

 

[Selous]

Few steps must be taken out , if we really want to fight these lunatics ...

1. separate Radicals from non violent Muslims
2. Stop making fun of Prophets and any religion
3. those Muslim who are living in West , should build up relationship with their Govt , and always give information to their govt about any suspicious activities .
4. stop Arming good or bad rebels ..
5. those who still stand up with weapons on the name of Religion , kill them ..

This one I will not agree with. Does the Pak Army not stand in the name of Islam ? What about Hammas ? No sir sometimes we need people to stand up with weapons in the name of Allah.

Their country their rules. Are they killing anyone in Islamic countries if they don't get permission to build a Church. Isn't that a common courtesy to allow everyone to freely follow their religion and not to have blasphemy laws. They don't interfere when you marry multiple women which is not such a good practice. But you can't ask for such things in their countries.

Come and see what their "missionary" work has done to Africa (not all but some of them encourage hate and violence). The rest of your points are contradictory and invalid. Polygamy is illegal in Europe.
Legal status of polygamy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Solomon2]

These are not Islamic rules...they are common courtesy and respect. You can not build a peaceful society if some people are allowed to immensely disrespect other people.

You can if everyone is told to buck up and develop a thick skin - i.e., taught not to commit violence due to words he or she is offended with. A society that celebrates all blasphemies is going to be a peaceful one.

 

[Selous]

You can if everyone is told to buck up and develop a thick skin - i.e., taught not to commit violence due to words he or she is offended with. A society that celebrates all blasphemies is going to be a peaceful one.

Lolz...sometimes I wonder if you put any thought into your posts
A society that is intolerant of all blasphemy will be far more practical and peaceful than your idea.

 

[AshishDelhi]

This one I will not agree with. Does the Pak Army not stand in the name of Islam ? What about Hammas ? No sir sometimes we need people to stand up with weapons in the name of Allah.


Come and see what their "missionary" work has done to Africa (not all but some of them encourage hate and violence). The rest of your points are contradictory and invalid. Polygamy is illegal in Europe.
Legal status of polygamy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Ok they are bad. Then why do you guys live in their countries. Go back to your Islamic republic.

 

[Selous]

Ok they are bad. Then why do you guys live in their countries. Go back to your Islamic republic.

Not so many of us live in their countries (relatively of course). And Africa is not part of the West.

 

[Solomon2]

Lolz...sometimes I wonder if you put any thought into your posts
A society that is intolerant of all blasphemy will be far more practical and peaceful than your idea.

It's not just "my idea"; that tolerance lives in the U.S., Israel, etc. (You don't even need democracy, as the example of Frederick the Great of Prussia proves.) As for a society that's intolerant of all blasphemy that's an oxymoron since by definition it tolerates total intolerance!

 

[Selous]

Not so many of us live in their countries (relatively of course). And Africa is not part of the West.

We can live wherever we want...it is not as if we are living in their countries for free. Muslims are some of the most professional and rich communities in their countries. Oh and most charitable.
Muslims 'Give Most To Charity', Ahead Of Christians, Jews And Atheists, Poll Finds
We just demand a certain level of decency. And I am not talking about nut jobs like Anjem Chaudry.

 

[AshishDelhi]

Lolz...sometimes I wonder if you put any thought into your posts
A society that is intolerant of all blasphemy will be far more practical and peaceful than your idea.

Well blasphemy is different for different religions. You might say that there is one Allah and no one like him in universe. He doesnt interact and work in silo. I might think there is one community of gods with a god for creation another for destruction etc. This should not mean that we have committed blasphemy and should shoot each other and continue till only one thought is left in world.

 

[Selous]

It's not just "my idea"; that tolerance lives in the U.S., Israel, etc. (You don't even need democracy, as the example of Frederick the Great of Prussia proves.) As for a society that's intolerant of all blasphemy that's an oxymoron since by definition it tolerates total intolerance!

I stopped reading right there!