This Onam, VHP and other Hindu groups oppose Mahabali statue near Vamana temple

[Vishwabalas]

lolzz mythological yes the evil spirits. But then Agni, indira are also

Agni and Indra are Deva's.

Hiranyakashyap and Hiranyaksha were Asura.

Quite different type of entities.

 

[Spring Onion]

There is no dispute about Ravana being a Brahmin. He was the Greatest devotee of Shiva too.

I know he was devotee of Shiva. But there is this fact that his cast is still not known though you can present some theories but according to your own sacred texts he gets the cast from his mother. His mother Kaikasi was rakshasa

 

[StraightShooter]

Both MahaBali and Ravan were Asur. So how is apple to oranges ?

MahaBali was a Vishnu Bhakt.

Ravan was a Great Shiva Bhakt.

MahaBali was a great Emperor who was LOVED by his people.

Ravan was a Great Emperor who was Loved by his people.

They are more similar that you care to admit.

Mahabali was attempting to disrupt Dharma and capture Dev loka and become the Indra. That was not his place to be. Vishnu because of his love for Mahabali did not allow him to commit more sins, he cut him off before he could destroy himself completely.

Of course it was a preventive strike by Vishnu to save Indra but the fact remains that Mahabali did not commit any sin while Ravana did. Mahabhali stood for his word and principles in life.

There is a reason why you see there are so many temples of Rama & Krishna but not many for Vamana.

 

[Spring Onion]

Agni and Indra are Deva's.

Hiranyakashyap and Hiranyaksha were Asura.

Quite different type of entities.

They are devas now but again in the earlier texts they were called asuras rather other deities were also called asuras.
Rudra, mitra indra agni. there is a good number of times they had description of an asura though I do not remember the exact count since its been a long time I studied these.
I think 12 description of asura is linked with agni and 10 with varuna

 

[StraightShooter]

I know he was devotee of Shiva. But there is this fact that his cast is still not known though you can present some theories but according to your own sacred texts he gets the cast from his mother. His mother Kaikasi was rakshasa

Ravana was great grandson of Brahma. He is the son of the great rishi Visravas who is the son of Prajapati Pulastya who is the son (mind-born son / Manasputra ) of Brahma.

 

[Vishwabalas]

Of course it was a preventive strike by Vishnu to save Indra but the fact remains that Mahabali did not commit any sin while Ravana did. Mahabhali stood for his word and principles in life.

There is a reason why you see there are so many temples of Rama & Krishna but not many for Vamana.

MahaVishnu did not move to save Indra, he moved to save Dharma.

Mahabali had already waged war and attacked mankind and had disrupted dharmic practices on earth. He had already captured the Asura loka. He was conducting the Yagna to capture Deva Loka as the final act.

Under his rule, Adharma grew and Dharma died a slow death.

Do you know these sculpture from the Vamana temples ?

They are not scenes from the "kamasutra" as our foolish Communist and british "historians" will tell you.

They are depictions of the death of Dharma and the spreading of Adharma in MahaBali's rule.

Notice the girl in the last statue covering her eyes ? It depicts rape.

They are devas now but again in the earlier texts they were called asuras rather other deities were also called asuras.
Rudra, mitra indra agni. there is a good number of times they had description of an asura though I do not remember the exact count since its been a long time I studied these.
I think 12 description of asura is linked with agni and 10 with varuna

Not in the Vedas. They were always the Devas in the Vedas.

Your are mixing it up wit the Avesta, where the Asura's are the good guys. Ask padamchen about it.

Agni is the Fire, Varuna is the wind god. They are the son's of Aditi.

 

[StraightShooter]

Asura IS a demon

One cannot Demonize a demon.

Both Suras and Asuras are brothers. The qualities of good and bad exists in both.

 

[Vishwabalas]

Both Suras and Asuras are brothers. The qualities of good and bad exists in both.

Deva's are the defenders and custodians of Dharma. That is why they are immortal and was given "Amrit" by Vishnu.

Asura's have no such responsibilities, which is why they are mortals.

Humans have both Asura guna and Deva guna and Manushya guna. When your horoscope gets made, it marks your gunas and you can see your nature as predicted by the horoscope.

If if have Asura Guna, then the odds of your doing wrong stuff is so much more greater than somebody born with a Deva guna.

 

[Dash]

what is offensive in placing mahabali stature near the temple? why asura king is demonised here ?



mahabali was EVIL? funny. In fact the gods got jealous of the successes of mahabali and hence varnama incarnation sent to vanquish him.

I dont think anyone is demonising Mahabali here. And its not offensive also. Its just some trying to equal a king with God and thats the issue here. Mahabali was good yet proudy king. One who is like Kuber when it comes to wealth and prosperity. And he is worshiped or to a large extent symbolised with wealth and luck. No one says he is a demon, like the one who tortured and killed people. There are moderate demons as well. The issue this perticular sect seem to have is glorification of of someone against a God. Thats what I can infer.

 

[Vishwabalas]

I dont think anyone is demonising Mahabali here. And its not offensive also. Its just some trying to equal a king with God and thats the issue here. Mahabali was good yet proudy king. One who is like Kuber when it comes to wealth and prosperity. And he is worshiped or to a large extent symbolised with wealth and luck. No one says he is a demon, like the one who tortured and killed people. There are moderate demons as well. The issue this perticular sect seem to have is glorification of of someone against a God. Thats what I can infer.

Mahabali was good to his people, not to the people he conquered.

Kuber IS the god of wealth. Lakshmi is the godess of "Good fortune" or as we call it "Luck".

Mahabali WAS an Asura who acted like an Asura. In contradiction to dharma. Not like a human or not like an Deva.

There were moderate Asura's too like Vibeshana, which is why Sri . Rama made him king of Sri Lanka after he killed Ravana.

But MahaBali as a King and ruler was responsible for all the evil acts his people had done. He had to be punished for that and could not be allowed to rule all the 3 kingdoms.


What is currently happening in Communist Raj in Kerala is a clear cut case of Hinduphobia and open Hindu baiting.

There is zero doubt about that. Only the Hindus have become totally spineless and brainwashed to recognize it, much less fight it.

 

[StraightShooter]

Deva's are the defenders and custodians of Dharma. That is why they are immortal and was given "Amrit" by Vishnu.

Asura's have no such responsibilities, which is why they are mortals.

Humans have both Asura guna and Deva guna and Manushya guna. When your horoscope gets made, it marks your gunas and you can see your nature as predicted by the horoscope.

If if have Asura Guna, then the odds of your doing wrong stuff is so much more greater than somebody born with a Deva guna.

Devas may have attained immortality by consuming amrutam but that does not mean they were always good and responsible.

How can one defend the act of Indra against Ahalya?

 

[Vishwabalas]

Devas may have attained immortality by consuming amrutam but that does not mean they were always good and responsible.

How can one defend the act of Indra against Ahalya?

You are basing your judgement on VICTORIAN CHRISTIAN MORALITY.

Did Indra rape Ahalya ? NO

Was the s-e-x consensual ? YES

Yet, since Indra tricked Ahalya, he was cursed. But everything Indra did was consensual and not forced.

Tomorrow if you trick a girl to sleep with you , does that make you a criminal ?

 

[StraightShooter]

You are basing your judgement on VICTORIAN CHRISTIAN MORALITY.

Did Indra rape Ahalya ? NO

Was the s-e-x consensual ? YES

Yet, since Indra tricked Ahalya, he was cursed. But everything Indra did was consensual and not forced.

Tomorrow if you trick a girl to sleep with you , does that make you a criminal ?

Its was pure deceit by Indra who donned the appearance of her Husband to have S E.X. There was nothing consensual in this act. Let's not try to defend the indefensible. No Hindu defends this act of Indra.

 

[Srinivas]

Could be there had been a debate going on about this and according to the anoluma sankaram (pardon the spells) ravana had to get cast from his mother.

BTW this addition of "sur" with his name has anything to do with his strict nature ?

Sur means amruth, they are called devas. Opposite is called asur, rakshasas. Nothing to do with ashura, gatherings in Quetta, I mean Quettashura.

 

[Vishwabalas]

Its was pure deceit by Indra who donned the appearance of her Husband to have S E.X. There was nothing consensual in this act. Let's not try to defend the indefensible. No Hindu defends this act of Indra.

If Indra looked like her husband and acted like her husband, then for all practical purpose he was her husband.

It was consensual since she though he was her husband.

Its like saying that if you think of a different person while having s-e-x, you are committing a sin. How logical is that ?

s-e-x is a purely physical act and not a spiritual act.

I am not required to defend or judge act of Indra. But I certainly can approach it logically without the burden of a hypocritical and defunct "Christian morality".