The UK's EU referendum: All you need to know

[flamer84]

Well it is harder for non E.U migrants to come to the U.K for work:

"To settle in the UK as a skilled worker, non-EU migrants need to have a Tier 2 visa. For this you need:

• An offer for a job in the UK that pays at least £20,800
• Have had at least £945 in your bank account for 90 days
• A certificate of sponsorship from your employer (which can cost between £536 and £1,476)
• To pay a £200 annual healthcare surcharge
• To prove your English language proficiency

After five years on this visa, skilled workers are able to apply for ‘indefinite leave to remain’ – and this is what is about to change.

From April, anyone applying for indefinite leave to remain will need to earn at least £35,000."


Read more: http://metro.co.uk/2016/03/12/from-...arning-less-than-35000-5748436/#ixzz4AVozJxxj

Well in my opinion, people here actually want to see a cut in Non E.U migrants as well. You won't find many people here wanting to welcome too many refugees. Most of the non skilled migration to the U.K from non E.U countries is now relegated to asylum cases, family migration and students. The largest number of whom are students, mainly Chinese. The singling out of E.U migrants is not correct in my opinion but this is what is happening, perhaps because there is a perception that the U.K doesn't really have control or say in that matter and that anyone can come to the U.K, work here while claiming benefits for their children in their own countries then return.

I can certainly understand all of these points,however,this particular discussion escalated when a certain poster said that "most EU/EE migrants sit around,getting drunk and doing nothing".

 

[Vergennes]

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Roma gypsies.... they aren't romanians,will never be romanians and have nothing to do with romanians.
They aren't only stealing clothes for charity in UK,but everywhere in Europe.
I,once witnessed them breaking into charity bins and stealing clothes....... @flamer84 funnily I was going to call the police when one patrol car came out from nowhere and caught them.
These people have no shame,even stealing the clothes that good people prepared and gave to the really needy.

In Germany ;

@SMS Derfflinger

Of course they are trying to pick the best clothes...

 

[flamer84]

Roma gypsies.... they aren't romanians,will never be romanians and have nothing to do with romanians.
They aren't only stealing clothes for charity in UK,but everywhere in Europe.
I,once witnessed them breaking into charity bins and stealing clothes....... @flamer84 funnily I was going to call the police when one patrol car came out from nowhere and caught them.
These people have no shame,even stealing the clothes that good people prepared and gave to the really needy.

In Germany ;

@SMS Derfflinger

Of course they are trying to pick the best clothes...

Western police is to soft.Gypsie caught stealing in London,just look at him and his mates having a jolly good time

I guarantee you that in Romania he wouldn't be so happy as he knows that besides landing in jail the police would beat him hard and if he would complain they would just say he slipped down the stairs.

 

[Pakistani E]

I can certainly
understand all of these points,however,this particular discussion escalated when a certain poster said that "most EU/EE migrants sit around,getting drunk and doing nothing".

Only an idiot would say that...

 

[waz]

Western police is to soft.Gypsie caught stealing in London,just look at him and his mates having a jolly good time

I guarantee you that in Romania he wouldn't be so happy as he knows that besides landing in jail the police would beat him hard and if he would complain they would just say he slipped down the stairs.

This was quite a while back, they're not "soft" anymore lol. My close friend serves in the Met and he regularly slams their heads on car doors etc.

In Germany ;

@SMS Derfflinger

Of course they are trying to pick the best clothes...

Wow, poor guys. What must they be going through in order to steal clothes from the Red Cross, destined for children with nothing but rags on their backs.
I'd honestly just tranquillise them, put them on a cargo plane, fly over to where they came from and open the doors, after a low level pass over water.

 

[Proudpakistaniguy]

Well it is harder for non E.U migrants to come to the U.K for work:

"To settle in the UK as a skilled worker, non-EU migrants need to have a Tier 2 visa. For this you need:

• An offer for a job in the UK that pays at least £20,800
• Have had at least £945 in your bank account for 90 days
• A certificate of sponsorship from your employer (which can cost between £536 and £1,476)
• To pay a £200 annual healthcare surcharge
• To prove your English language proficiency

Well you will see that European have more rights in UK than even British. When a British want to bring his non European wife and children in UK he need to pay visa fees of £1,195 for each applicant plus £200 immigration health surcharge per year for every single applicant. This visa only valid for 2 and half year so when you will extend visa of your spouse/children for next 2 and half year then pay same amount again...You must also be in job earning at least 18, 600 per annum if apply just for wife or £22,400 per year for wife and one child and £2,400 per year for each additional child.. Your partner also need to pass English /TB test and they will have no resource to public fund for at least five years ..But these rules only applicable to British but if you are European living in Uk then you dont need to meet any of such requirement to bring your non European spouse in uk saving them alot of money and hassle

 

[waz]

The newspapers declare their allegiance.


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...s-are-backing-brexit-and-remain-a7089876.html

Brexit supporters

The Daily Mail.
The Daily Express.
The Telegraph.
The Sunday Telegraph.
The Sun.
The Spectator (magazine)

Remain supporters.

The Guardian.
The Observer
The Mail on Sunday.
The Times (readership disagrees)

 

[Proudpakistaniguy]

Prime minster David Camero answers questions on the case for remaining in the European Union.

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Justice secretary Michael Gove MP answers questions on the case for leaving the European Union.

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[livingdead]

Prime minster David Camero answers questions on the case for remaining in the European Union.

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Justice secretary Michael Gove MP answers questions on the case for leaving the European Union.

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Cameron was a more effective speaker between two.... both however just dug in to their positions.. only 4 days to go, and nobody wants to do anything wrong.

 

[Proudpakistaniguy]

Cameron was a more effective speaker between two.... both however just dug in to their positions.. only 4 days to go, and nobody wants to do anything wrong.

Cameron know how to play with words and his all debate come down to advantage of single market lol you will always see him interacting with public at the end of debate while others speakers seem bit cold and too serious

 

[Proudpakistaniguy]

When are the EU referendum results, what time will we know the winner - and how does it all work?

Although voting will close at 10pm on Thursday this week, the future of Britain’s relationship with the European Union will not be known until at least nine hours later, at 7am on Friday morning.

The tension will be greater than normal general election nights because the major broadcasters have not commissioned any exit polls over concerns about accuracy.

There were also no exit polls at the Scottish referendum in September 2014 which meant that the result was only known when the No campaign had won more than 50 per cent of the votes cast.

The results themselves will come in during a frantic three hour period on Friday morning, between 4am and 7am; by breakfast time, the result of the EU referendum should be known

How will the count take place?

Polling stations are open from 7am to 10pm on Thursday. The best advice is to vote early as the Electoral Commission is forecasting that turnout could be as high as 80 per cent (significantly more than the 66 per cent who voted at last year's general election).

There are already fears that there might be queues if because the Government curtailed the amount of time that staff have to get ready after it extended the online registration deadline.

A change in the law after chaos at polling stations in 2010 – when some people were denied a vote because of long queues – means that if people queuing at 10pm will be allowed to vote.

At the close of the poll, thousands of sealed ballot boxes are collected from schools and church halls which have been doubling up as polling stations and transported to one of 382 counting venues across the UK.

Why are the results so late?

For the count, the UK has been divided into 382 counting areas which will first verify each ballot, allowing each area to announce the turn-out. The counting will then begin.

These results will then be collated and fed by local counting officers to regional counting officers in 12 electoral regions, who will only announce their results when all the areas have concluded their counts.

Unlike at a general election, when MPs only needs to win a majority in their constituency to win the seat, every vote counts – which means that the final results for Leave and Remain will creep up slowly as regions make their declarations.

The result will be declared by Jenny Watson, the chairman of the Electoral Commission and the referendum’s chief counting officer at Manchester Town Hall, although no physical counting of ballot papers is taking place here.

Which are the most important declarations?

Not much will happen before 5am. But the turnout – which could come at 3am – will be important: a high turnout – with more young people voting - is likely to mean a good night for Remain.

Remain is likely to take a healthy lead once the early declarations are made with the results for pro-EU regions - Wales , Scotland and London - making their results known by 5am.

But the first indication of whether Leave has done enough will come at 5am when the result for the Labour dominated north east of England is known.

This result will demonstrate whether Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn has succeeded in persuading Labour supporters to vote in their droves for Remain.

A strong vote for In for Labour is seen as vital in ensuring that a Brexit is averted.

The results night will now get interesting with the declarations showing whether the forecast swing to Leave across swathes of Middle England has come to pass.

Between 6am and 7am the main English results will be known – which in turn will finally decide the result of the EU in/out referendum.

Counting officers for the west Midlands declare at 6am, followed by the East Midlands, and South West at 6.30am, and finally at 7am Eastern, North West and South East.

What happens next?

No one knows. However it is likely that David Cameron, the Prime Minister, will want to make a statement as soon as the result is known, probably on the steps of Number 10, as he did moments after the result was declared in the Scottish independence referendum.

A statement is likely if only to calm the London Stock Market, which opens for trading at 8am.

When will I find out how my area voted?

4am, Wales (22 counting areas)

4am, Northern Ireland (18 counting areas)

5am, North East (12 counting areas)

5am, Scotland (17 counting areas)

5am, London (33 counting areas)

5am, Yorkshire & Humber (21 counting areas)

6am, West Midlands (30 counting areas

6.30am, East Midlands (40 counting areas)

6.30am, South West (38 counting areas)

7am, Eastern (46 counting areas)

7am, North West (39 counting areas)

7am, South Eastern (68 counting areas)

 

[Hyde]

So referendum is near. Are you guys voting for IN or OUT?

UK Members must cast either IN or Out and for the convenience of other Members I am listing 3rd option

Two question to answer in writing if interested:

Did your opinion change or had any influence after the murder of Jo Cox?

The reason of your choice?

 

[Jungibaaz]

Voting IN. Plenty of good reasons to leave, none of which are actually used by the Brexit campaign. They're content on fearmongering, and basically throwing around bs figures and rhetoric. I was undecided until the Brexit campaign helped me to decide firmly to vote remain.

I've noticed among the British Pakistani community, many will be voting leave, they cite job competition from European migrants and crime rates. Some belief that they themselves might benefit personally from Brexit.

Also, Jo Cox's murder, tragic thought it was, RIP, did not change my opinions much at all, still on remain. Although it has political implications, especially on the far right, but not so much on the EU.

 

[Blue Marlin]

remain............ listen to john oliver

 

[Hyde]

Voting IN. Plenty of good reasons to leave, none of which are actually used by the Brexit campaign. They're content on fearmongering, and basically throwing around bs figures and rhetoric. I was undecided until the Brexit campaign helped me to decide firmly to vote remain.

I've noticed among the British Pakistani community, many will be voting leave, they cite job competition from European migrants and crime rates. Some belief that they themselves might benefit personally from Brexit.

Also, Jo Cox's murder, tragic thought it was, RIP, did not change my opinions much at all, still on remain. Although it has political implications, especially on the far right, but not so much on the EU.

I was undecided until the brutal killing of Jo Cox. I had numerous debates with my professor in favour of leave and he being a former diplomat and PHD was in favour of remain. I had clarified him that I may vote for remain for private reasons but find no genuine reason for Britain to remain in EU as we could do much better economically be staying away from the rotting system of European Union and bilateral trade agreements with the model of Switzerland or Norway could serve us better.

But it does come with implications as we lose vital position within the European Union and our relationship with rest of the developed world may no longer be as strong as before if we do not sit on the table with the backing of 27 nations.

But the murder of Jo Cox made things easier for me and I find genuine reasons to stay for the moment unless another key nation like Holland decides to opt out leading to reversal of entire concept of European Union

PS: This single market may have huge impact on my business so I am better off staying together for now