The UK's EU referendum: All you need to know

[Proudpakistaniguy]

Voting for leave because i believe there should be a fair immigration system for all non British. It is much easier for a non-English speaking unskilled European to settle in the UK than skilled English speaking Commonwealth citizen .Why there should be extraordinarily privileged for someone just because they belong to EEA as they dont go through the same immigration rigmarole that non-EEA migrants does under Tiers system or when it come to bringing non European spouse/family. If it was not for mass immigration from other parts of the EU namely Romania, Poland and Bulgaria I doubt VERY much that this in or out referendum would even be happening. I also dont see any convincing reason for staying in EU.

 

[Hyde]

Vote for leave because i believe there should be a fair immigration system for all non British. It is much easier for a non-English speaking unskilled European to settle in the UK than skilled English speaking Commonwealth citizen .Why there should be extraordinarily privileged for someone just because they belong to EEA as they dont go through the same immigration rigmarole that non-EEA migrants does under Tiers system or bringing non European spouse/family. If it was not for mass immigration from other parts of the EU namely Romania, Poland and Bulgaria I doubt VERY much that this in or out referendum would even be happening. I also dont see any convicing reason for staying in EU

if the membership of EU is revised once again to limit it's member nation to ideally UK, France and Germany only or further extension to Netherlands and Belgium. It is better off like that... The problem occurs when economies like Greece and Spain put their burden on the whole of Europe and unskilled workers are imported in bulk from Poland and Romania to UK and above mentioned nations... They would either claim benefits or snatch the job of locals with far lesser pay...

but there are implications with either way such as the net contribution of Poland to UK economy is around 150 billion dollars or so compared to its residents take back 11 billion dollars for no reason... the figures can be slightly misleading but the facts are right

 

[Proudpakistaniguy]

if the membership of EU is revised once again to limit it's member nation to ideally UK, France and Germany only or further extension to Netherlands and Belgium. It is better off like that... The problem occurs when economies like Greece and Spain put their burden on the whole of Europe and unskilled workers are imported in bulk from Poland and Romania to UK and above mentioned nations... They would either claim benefits or snatch the job of locals with far lesser pay...

but there are implications with either way such as the net contribution of Poland to UK economy is around 150 billion dollars or so compared to its residents take back 11 billion dollars for no reason... the figures can be slightly misleading but the facts are right

Agree with your first paragraph but Is there any ways to control peopel coming from EU ? say UK need 100 unskilled workers and you get entry of 10000 from eastern European countries then how you gonna control it? There is no way to restrict it if you stay in EU.You have no option to pick the best individuals form these eastern European countries.as you pick the best from others non European countries. You will be free to trade with the rest of the world if leave EU. UK should have this ability to pick what is required as per demands and it would have less burden on NHS,Housing, Education, benefit systems. Whether we like it or not, this referendum has become a referendum on immigration, with the leave side gathering its support primarily from people opposing any further immigration. These same expert people were saying that UK will be destroyed if dont join single Currency EURO but nothing happened and now they are giving same logic for single market

 

[livingdead]

Cameron know how to play with words and his all debate come down to advantage of single market lol you will always see him interacting with public at the end of debate while others speakers seem bit cold and too serious

ya..he was quite natural at the end going and shaking hands... others are too stiff probably.. or too weird like ed

 

[Hyde]

Agree with your first paragraph but Is there any ways to control peopel coming from EU ? say UK need 100 unskilled workers and you get entry of 10000 from eastern European countries then how you gonna control it? There is no way to restrict it if you stay in EU.You have no option to pick the best individuals form these eastern European countries.as you pick the best from others non European countries. You will be free to trade with the rest of the world if leave EU. UK should have this ability to pick what is required as per demands and it would have less burden on NHS,Housing, Education, benefit systems. Whether we like it or not, this referendum has become a referendum on immigration, with the leave side gathering its support primarily from people opposing any further immigration. These same expert people were saying that UK will be destroyed if dont join single Currency EURO but nothing happened and now they are giving same logic for single market

The problem is, if we leave out of the EU, our foreign policy will be weaker. We would need to reactivate bilateral agreements with the whole of Europe and other countries with whom we maintained agreements under the name of European Union.

It's gonnai waste another decade or so just to make the agreements. The problem is if the tariff of Royal MAIL increases for example it's gonnai have huge impact on my business, if the existing system of VAT and import duty is no longer valid and if I have to dispatch goods to Europe without VAT exemptions it's gonnai play a huge role into my business. This is for somebody doing very basics, imagine the worries of industrial and service sector.

I am least bothered about immigration right now, I am seeing if I will be better off staying within European Union and/or its implications on my business if I am pulled out of EU.

See the government will definitely save some money which they pour in the EU budget each year but how about the losses incurred to the industrial or export sector who trades with European union as Single market or tax free zone.

 

[Green Arrow]

Most probably going to vote Out as reasons are obvious. More jobs, less burden on NHS & education, more social securities benefits, more housing and most importantly a fair immigration system.

 

[Hyde]

Most probably going to vote Out as reasons are obvious. More jobs, less burden on NHS & education, more social securities benefits, more housing and most importantly a fair immigration system.

and you are certain about more social security benefit under the regime of Tories? who have been busy cutting and slashing down all benefits including Disability living allowance for poor wheelchair bound.

This is a day dream, ain't gonnai happen regardless of whether we stay in EU or not. But It will certainly put embargo on unskilled employment sector of the Eastern and Southeastern European countries.

NHS needs overhauling from scratch, basic treatment should be free for everybody but you need to have health insurance or alternative to get major operations done in my opinion. Otherwise they should still do it free of cost but charge later similar to repayment of student loan.

I know members of EU comes to UK for medical tourism but it is not the mother of all issues NHS is facing today. It is just one of the many factors dooming NHS by every passing day

 

[ultron]

If Britain stays in EU, more murders will happen like what happened to Jo Cox. Leave, and the murders will stop.

 

[jamal18]

If Britain stays in EU, more murders will happen like what happened to Jo Cox. Leave, and the murders will stop.

 

[Jaanbaz]

Changed my position to remain after the murder of Jo Cox(RIP).

 

[waz]

I'm voting out and Joe Cox's murder had nothing to do with the referendum.
The uneasy issue here is what happens to the UK after a remain vote. I can tell you it will be greater federalism and the massive loss of sovereignty for the UK. I was born a Brit, have family history here going back to 1953, and will never see this country bow to the likes of Brussels. Now you may say to yourself that I'm being paranoid etc, but being older than practically everyone who posted here I remember very well the same things being said when the maastricht treaty was signed, and the same lies were fed to the public again when new states joined in 2004.
Enough is enough, time to leave.

As for the poll, there is no way of knowing who voted what and if they actually are resident Brits.

 

[Proudpakistaniguy]

The problem is, if we leave out of the EU, our foreign policy will be weaker. We would need to reactivate bilateral agreements with the whole of Europe and other countries with whom we maintained agreements under the name of European Union.

It's gonnai waste another decade or so just to make the agreements. The problem is if the tariff of Royal MAIL increases for example it's gonnai have huge impact on my business, if the existing system of VAT and import duty is no longer valid and if I have to dispatch goods to Europe without VAT exemptions it's gonnai play a huge role into my business. This is for somebody doing very basics, imagine the worries of industrial and service sector.

I am least bothered about immigration right now, I am seeing if I will be better off staying within European Union and/or its implications on my business if I am pulled out of EU.

See the government will definitely save some money which they pour in the EU budget each year but how about the losses incurred to the industrial or export sector who trades with European union as Single market or tax free zone.

I dont agree that our foreign policy will be weaker if we leave EU. Do major economies outside EU have weaker foreign policies ? Funny thing is that its EU rules which dont let us abolish VAT on household energy bills. The EU sets a standardised system for VAT across EU member countries including a standard VAT rate of no less than 15% and a reduced rate for certain goods or services of no less than 5%. You are least concern about something which will actually bring more serious consequences in future. Well we are all looking at this referendum debate from our own perspective after hearing the pro and cons from boht side and there are still many things which we dont know but i already made up my mind for voting to leave and most people around me going to do the same but at the end we will have no option but to accept the overall result

 

[Vergennes]

Brits panic buying Euros ahead of looming Brexit vote - sales up 381%

QUEUES: People are lined up in the streets waiting to get their Euros

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/lat...e-Rate-European-Union-Referendum-Leave-Remain

 

[Proudpakistaniguy]

Probably the last debate before referendum

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[Proudpakistaniguy]

Brexit supporters urged to take own pens to polling stations amid fears of MI5 conspiracy
Nearly a third of Ukip voters believe that MI5 are involved in a plot to rig the vote, according to a survey this week

• Andrew Griffin
• Thursday 23 June 2016

Prime Minister David Cameron and his wife Samantha leave after voting in the EU referendum, at a polling station in central London, Britain June 23, 2016. Reuters
Voters should bring along pens to EU referendum polling stations to avoid an MI5 plot, according to Leave campaigners.

Backers of Brexit are urging people to write in pen and make sure that their ballot papers can’t be erased after the votes have been cast.

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Leave campaigners are worried that the EU referendum is being manipulated by the government – two-thirds of Ukip voters believe that there is a plot to rig the vote, and a third of them believe that MI5 are involved in it, according to a poll this week.

Those warning about the conspiracy suggest that MI5 or another government agency could rub out the crosses on their ballot papers before they are counted – presumably either spoiling their vote or changing it into a vote to remain in the EU.

Numerous people are sharing messages telling people to bring along pens to stop a possible conspiracy to rig the vote. Some have even taken to reminding people at polling stations, with people writing “USE A PEN TO VOTE” on polling station signs as a reminder.

Others have suggested that people should press extra hard when drawing their cross to ensure that it is still visible even if it is erased.

Though pencils are provided within polling stations, there is no legal obligation to vote with them and using your own pen will mean ballot papers will still be counted. Voting rules are relatively relaxed and mean that people can theoretically vote with a tick rather than a cross if they wanted

The Electoral Commission has welcomed people bringing a pen and said that observers watch counts to ensure that they are kept secure. Campaigners from both sides have been invited to proceedings to ensure that they are not being tampered with.

“By tradition, pencils are available in polling booths for voters to mark their ballot papers,” a spokesperson said. “If a voter wishes to bring their own pen and use that, it's fine.”

“In regards to security, at the count there are statutory observers to make sure that they are carried out correctly. Campaigners are also invited to observe the counts taking place.”

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The Electoral Reform Society echoed the warning, telling a voter on Twitter that “you can bring your own pen/marker/sharpie”.