The UK's EU referendum: All you need to know

[flamer84]

dont mind norwegians but dont tell my girlfriend.

hillary is most likely to be the democratic candidate and she is much worse than trump. i would vote trump over hillary any day. remember congress will keep him in check.
the idea of banning muslims and building a wall is a fantasy but i like sanders but thats not gonna happen

Sanders is a commie,Trump is obviously retarded,Hillary is a crook.Out of 300+ million Americans these 3 it's all they got....sad....

 

[Blue Marlin]

Sanders is a commie,Trump is obviously retarded,Hillary is a crook.Out of 300+ million Americans these 3 it's all they got....sad....

indeed i would go sanders, trump and clinton in that order, hillary is to malicious. but america being the country it is, it will be the other way round.

 

[livingdead]

BBC has done a good job in putting both sides of arguments in balanced manner. Its also doing fact checks on most claims both sides are making.

 

[oprih]

Britain should stay, without the eu, britain would be so irrelevant that even the economic migrants from middle east and africa won't care about it.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

I am 50/50 with Brexit at this point in time. However one thing that needs to be looked at. It's a sort of conundrum for me. Any big shot economists here are welcome to explain this. If EU is great for Britain because it a "open market" then can somebody explain would it not be even better if the open market was made bigger?

If I want to by a car (BMW) from Germany I can. If I want to buy some olive oil from Italy I can. If I want to buy some grapes from Spain I can. If I want to buy some meat from Denmark I can. So far so good. I can get the best products at the cheapest prices from across the open market and as a consumer I benefit. Bravo.

However if I want to buy bed linen from Pakistan I have to pay taxes or meet quota restrictions. If I want to buy Egyptian towels I have to pay taxes or meet quota restrictions. If I want to buy Maroccon leather jackets I have to pay taxes or meet quota restrictions.

In short if open market is good why is there a arbitrary fence around this common market? If this is about trade and the consumer should the world not be open market? This would not ony benefit the consumer but would create jobs in other countries thereby providing a long term solution to the migrant problem.

There was a time in 1950s when many Italian's migrated to UK for work but as EU took off the economic stabilization and the fruits of open market led to almost zeroing of migrants from Italy.This could be done to EU littoral region and that would in fact secure the future of the region.

Thoughts?

 

[Vergennes]

Sanders is a commie,Trump is obviously retarded,Hillary is a crook.Out of 300+ million Americans these 3 it's all they got....sad....

What a crew.
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Anyway,I have seen some documentaries about the Brexit and interestingly,people were more worried about the immigration from eastern europe than africa,middle east etc. Are those eastern europeans really a big issue ?
Of course as the conditions of immigration were made easier when they acceded to the EU,many moved to UK in hope to find a work and to have a better life,and of course.... of course.... some brought with them their criminal activities to the UK,but is that really a big issue ? They work,pay taxes,support the welfare state and the elderly ? Maybe I am wrong ? enlighten me,please.

@waz @Kaptaan @Pakistani Exile @Blue Marlin @Steve781

 

[flamer84]

What a crew.

Don't get me started on Ted Cruz who wanted to ban dildos

 

[Blue Marlin]

What a crew.
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Anyway,I have seen some documentaries about the Brexit and interestingly,people were more worried about the immigration from eastern europe than africa,middle east etc. Are those eastern europeans really a big issue ?
Of course as the conditions of immigration were made easier when they acceded to the EU,many moved to UK in hope to find a work and to have a better life,and of course.... of course.... some brought with them their criminal activities to the UK,but is that really a big issue ? They work,pay taxes,support the welfare state and the elderly ? Maybe I am wrong ? enlighten me,please.

@waz @Kaptaan @Pakistani Exile @Blue Marlin @Steve781

Large number of those sit and do nothing. The rest of those are either in the building trade or open up shops that specialise in eastern European foods only. A friend of mine was reluctant to lease his shop to a Romanian but he did and its ok I guess but only eastern Europeans go there though. Also they pop out babies like they are going out of fashion. Obviously for benefits. also the Brexit campaign has been playing dirty they said to the south Asian community that if you vote to leave the eu we will stop eastern Europeans coming in and bring in more south Asians Pakistanis, Indians and Bangladeshis also they are sick of them being drunk all the time and not interacting in the community. about a month ago some dumb as$ Albanian stole a merc sports car and drove it in to the back of a take away in a residential area where the speed limit was 20 and did at least double that. They guy got arrested and released about a week later. Tbh I wanted to say in the EU but not anymore. Have you been to a hospital? Bloody hell fire A&E is maxed out I had to travel to wait 4 HOURS!!! To be seen. I’m paying £150 per month for private health care to reduce that from 4 hours to instantly.


Answering your questions are they a big issue? Yes very as explained above


Want a better life? I don’t care about them not one bit I care about those who I want to care about [call me evil]


Criminal activities? Heck yeah they brought that too. Check this out:

http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.u..._Blu_ray_player_back_to_man_he_stole_it_from/


tpay taxes? Do they hecks, once they have money they sent it back to their home country to build a house their.

 

[flamer84]

Large number of those sit and do nothing. The rest of those are either in the building trade or open up shops that specialise in eastern European foods only. A friend of mine as reluctant to lease his shop to a Romanian but he did and its ok I guess but only eastern Europeans go there though. Also they pop out babies like they are going out of fashion. Obviously for benefits. also the Brexit campaign has been playing dirty they said to the south Asian community that if you vote to leave the eu we will stop eastern Europeans coming in and bring in more south Asians Pakistanis, Indians and Bangladeshis also they are sick of them being drunk all the time and not interacting in the community. about a month ago some dumb as$ Albanian stole a merc sports car and drove it in to the back of a take away in a residential area where the speed limit was 20 and did at least double that. They guy got arrested and released about a week later. Tbh I wanted to say in the EU but not anymore. Have you been to a hospital? Bloody hell fire A&E is maxed out I had to travel to wait 4 HOURS!!! To be seen I’m paying £150 per month for private health care to reduce that from 4 hours to instantly.


Answering your questions are they a big issue? Yes very as explained above


Want a better life? I don’t care about them not one bit I care about those who I want to care about [call me evil]


Criminal activities? Heck yeah they brought that too. Check this out:

http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.u..._Blu_ray_player_back_to_man_he_stole_it_from/


tpay taxes? Do they hecks, once they have money they sent it back to their home country to build a house their.

Everything you wrote there is pure trash and a lie.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...stern-European-migrants-find-work-faster.html


Politicians often talk about “benefit tourism”. In the UK, East European migrants are much less likely than other groups to claim Jobseeker’s Allowance, our main unemployment benefit:

So,lower stats that the natives and lower than non EU immigrants when it comes to welfare.So much for the drunks who don't work BS Vyou're spitting without a single fact behind it.


This is almost certainly because East European migrants come to the UK to work. The study shows that while the employment rate for native UK citizens is somewhat over 70 per cent, for East Europeans it is just over 80 per cent. And this is not a new phenomenon:

East European migrant workers are definitely not a drain on the health service. They account for a smaller proportion of health spending than their share of the population (like all migrant groups), while for native UK citizens the opposite is true:

If everyone paid attention to this study, both sides of the argument might have to think more carefully:

• Yes, there are a lot of East European migrant workers in this country
  

• They aren’t “benefit tourists” – they’ve come here to work
  

• They aren’t a drain on the NHS
  

• Or on social housing
  

• And, overall, they’re less likely to get benefits
  

• But they are more likely to get Child Benefit and tax credits
  

• That’s partly because they’re more likely to be young enough to have young families
  

• And partly because pay is so low and unequal
  
  
  
  So,over 80% of Eastern Europeans work in the UK vs 70% of native Brits.As per your beloved refugees ,who you told me,in another thread that you know they are hardworking....
  
  Only 494 out of 163,000 asylum seekers have found a job in Sweden
  Using figures from Sweden's employment agency Arbetsförmedlingen and migration authorities Migrationsverket, SVT reported on Tuesday that 494 asylum seekers who arrived in 2015 have managed to find a job to support themselves while waiting for their application to get processed.
  
  http://www.thelocal.se/20160531/fewer-than-500-of-163000-asylum-seekers-found-jobs
  
  That's like 0.3% of them working....lol
  

 

[livingdead]

What a crew.
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Anyway,I have seen some documentaries about the Brexit and interestingly,people were more worried about the immigration from eastern europe than africa,middle east etc. Are those eastern europeans really a big issue ?
Of course as the conditions of immigration were made easier when they acceded to the EU,many moved to UK in hope to find a work and to have a better life,and of course.... of course.... some brought with them their criminal activities to the UK,but is that really a big issue ? They work,pay taxes,support the welfare state and the elderly ? Maybe I am wrong ? enlighten me,please.

@waz @Kaptaan @Pakistani Exile @Blue Marlin @Steve781

well, the core issue is lack of border control... its the feeling that british have no say in who comes in makes people angry. The criminality/welfare are peripheral issues made by tabloid media. Its not like british will prefer to let Indians in rather than romanian, its just that they can choose to stop Indian when they please.
The reason why it found widespread support among working class people is, its undercutting of wages(wages at low level have stagnated or dropped hitting working class people the hardest). Consumers and rich people are big beneficiary of eastern european migration.

 

[Blue Marlin]

Everything you wrote there is pure trash and a lie.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...stern-European-migrants-find-work-faster.html


Politicians often talk about “benefit tourism”. In the UK, East European migrants are much less likely than other groups to claim Jobseeker’s Allowance, our main unemployment benefit:

So,lower stats that the natives and lower than non EU immigrants when it comes to welfare.So much for the drunks who don't work BS Vyou're spitting without a single fact behind it.


This is almost certainly because East European migrants come to the UK to work. The study shows that while the employment rate for native UK citizens is somewhat over 70 per cent, for East Europeans it is just over 80 per cent. And this is not a new phenomenon:

East European migrant workers are definitely not a drain on the health service. They account for a smaller proportion of health spending than their share of the population (like all migrant groups), while for native UK citizens the opposite is true:

If everyone paid attention to this study, both sides of the argument might have to think more carefully:

• 
  
  
  • Yes, there are a lot of East European migrant workers in this country

• 
  
  
  • They aren’t “benefit tourists” – they’ve come here to work

• 
  
  
  • They aren’t a drain on the NHS

• 
  
  
  • Or on social housing

• 
  
  
  • And, overall, they’re less likely to get benefits

• 
  
  
  • But they are more likely to get Child Benefit and tax credits

• 
  
  
  • That’s partly because they’re more likely to be young enough to have young families

• 
  
  
  • And partly because pay is so low and unequal
    
    
    
    So,over 80% of Eastern Europeans work in the UK vs 70% of native Brits.As per your beloved refugees ,who you told me,in another thread that you know they are hardworking....
    
    Only 494 out of 163,000 asylum seekers have found a job in Sweden
    Using figures from Sweden's employment agency Arbetsförmedlingen and migration authorities Migrationsverket, SVT reported on Tuesday that 494 asylum seekers who arrived in 2015 have managed to find a job to support themselves while waiting for their application to get processed.
    
    http://www.thelocal.se/20160531/fewer-than-500-of-163000-asylum-seekers-found-jobs
    
    That's like 0.3% of them working....lol

whatever floats your boat

some migrants are good yes but theres some who are not, and that 'some' is a lot. you have no idea how many migrants live in neighbouring towns, alot you have to only go there and ask and even see for yourself.

oh and anyone can make a chart and send it to the media.

if you dont buy that then here
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3168884/Eastern-Europeans-UK-earn-claim-born-Britain.html
http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2012/jun/25/eastern-european-immigration-crime-britain
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/380512/How-Romanian-criminals-terrorise-our-streets
https://www.rt.com/op-edge/188424-denmark-website-against-eastern-europeans/
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/378232/Immigrant-crime-soars-with-foreign-prisoners-rising
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2963368/Romanians-EIGHT-times-likely-jailed-Britons.html

this pi$$es me of
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...K-s-turn-countries-complain-new-arrivals.html

i stand by everything i said.heck even middle eastern migrant are starting to cause problems down in manchester, south east asains indonesians just do god knows what but they dont cause problems south asains are a problem too but they have been here since the 60's and some of them still have their backward ways but thats changing quiet quickly. at first when eastern europeans first came around 2007 ish i liked them as i was under the impression they are just like us but that impression died a long time ago [6 years ago].

well, the core issue is lack of border control... its the feeling that british have no say in who comes in makes people angry. The criminality/welfare are peripheral issues made by tabloid media. Its not like british will prefer to let Indians in rather than romanian, its just that they can choose to stop Indian when they please.
The reason why it found widespread support among working class people is, its undercutting of wages(wages at low level have stagnated or dropped hitting working class people the hardest). Consumers and rich people are big beneficiary of eastern european migration.

thats true mainly the fact that the working class are taking the hit

 

[flamer84]

whatever floats your boat

some migrants are good yes but theres some who are not, and that 'some' is a lot. you have no idea how many migrants live in neighbouring towns, alot you have to only go there and ask and even see for yourself.

oh and anyone can make a chart and send it to the media.

if you dont buy that then here
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3168884/Eastern-Europeans-UK-earn-claim-born-Britain.html
http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2012/jun/25/eastern-european-immigration-crime-britain
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/380512/How-Romanian-criminals-terrorise-our-streets
https://www.rt.com/op-edge/188424-denmark-website-against-eastern-europeans/
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/378232/Immigrant-crime-soars-with-foreign-prisoners-rising
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2963368/Romanians-EIGHT-times-likely-jailed-Britons.html

this pi$$es me of
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...K-s-turn-countries-complain-new-arrivals.html

i stand by everything i said.heck even middle eastern migrant are starting to cause problems down in manchester, south east asains indonesians just do god knows what but they dont cause problems south asains are a problem too but they have been here since the 60's and some of them still have their backward ways but thats changing quiet quickly. at first when eastern europeans first came around 2007 ish i liked them as i was under the impression they are just like us but that impression died a long time ago [6 years ago].


thats true mainly the fact that the working class are taking the hit

Those are statistics buddy,not hand drawn charts.And those statistics say that Eastern European migrants have higher employement figures than native Brits or non EU migrants and they use the NHS fewer times reported to their population than the Brits.Deal with it because it's a mathematical truth.

 

[waz]

damn thats old.

long time no see hows life when theres exams are going

All good my friend, I'm on half-term so chilling and campaigning.

Britain should stay, without the eu, britain would be so irrelevant that even the economic migrants from middle east and africa won't care about it.

The UK is a nuclear weapons state. It has a seat in the UNSC. It's a member of the G7,G20, sits on the WTO and so on. It is one of the most powerful states in the world. We don't care what anyone thinks about us.

Honestly, I hate politics. They're divisive, and bring out the worst in people.

But if you must know, I'm voting for whoever the democrats elect as their candidate.

Oh Nord, the liberal in you lives on.

Someone who only visits Europe when it's too hot at home.

Don't you miss the snow?

What a crew.
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Anyway,I have seen some documentaries about the Brexit and interestingly,people were more worried about the immigration from eastern europe than africa,middle east etc. Are those eastern europeans really a big issue ?
Of course as the conditions of immigration were made easier when they acceded to the EU,many moved to UK in hope to find a work and to have a better life,and of course.... of course.... some brought with them their criminal activities to the UK,but is that really a big issue ? They work,pay taxes,support the welfare state and the elderly ? Maybe I am wrong ? enlighten me,please.

@waz @Kaptaan @Pakistani Exile @Blue Marlin @Steve781

It's not about our EE friends, it's about low skilled labour which comes from there and elsewhere. Low skilled folks pay well below the required amount to be a net contributor to the exchequer, which is around £40,000 per annum. Yes overall they have a net contribution, but if you take out the Western Europeans workers, then it is non-significant at all, and would certainly be offset by savings made from coming out of the EU.
Also, yes, I much rather prefer skilled migrants from Europe than many other places.

 

[Blue Marlin]

Those are statistics buddy,not hand drawn charts.And those statistics say that Eastern European migrants have higher employement figures than native Brits or non EU migrants and they use the NHS fewer times reported to their population than the Brits.Deal with it because it's a mathematical truth.

your in denial, its ok.
health tourism is just a myth

 

[flamer84]

your in denial, its ok.
health tourism is just a myth

Look son,you only has bed time stories,I showed you the real data.Now,as you're a liar with no numbers behind his lies why won't you take it like a good lad and spare us your fantasies.