Nice. I was only replying to 23 March's post saying PAF has experience against superior enemies in real combat. So, both india and pak have only experienced advanced enemies in phoney wars.
Not exactly...
While IAF has Actual Combat experience against PAF only, the PAF guys have fought against Indians, Israels and Russians.
Phoney Wars?? Interesting expression..
Well, the correct term for this is a Military Exercise
Thats how the Military trains itself all over the world. One doesnt need a full fledge war every second year with thousands lives lost on both sides to train its forces
Therefore they do the Exercises instead
Nice, so the PAF air crews are well versed with all of the above on american systems.
Good that you acknowledged
Yes they are very well versed..
Oh wait, PAF has no EA-6B, E-2C and E-3 platforms. So, PAF experiences are superficial at best..
Superficial at best? I didnt really get it exactly that what you are on about here!!!!.... Due to our constraints, we cannot afford everything thats out there. So best we can do is to train our pilots/controllers wherever we can with the friendly forces. Thats how its also done in NATO and many airforces world over : PAF regularly sends its personnel to participate in various exercised all over the globe, people also go on courses, deputations, exchange postings etc where they train themselves with the hardware that we dont have right now . Its a very usual practice. In this way, at least we have a large pool of pilots/controllers that are very well versed with all the latest technologies and trust me that all this training will come very handy if its ever needed in the real terms.
Hopefully, once we can afford or have those systems, we will have a good number of people already trained on them.
Try avoiding an IR missile along with the gun at the same time.
Sorry mate, no idea what you are talking here..
.. Guns are used (mostly) once the front aircraft is at such a close range that one cannot fire his IR missile. To fire an IR missile you need to have correct angle-off, be in the range , need right amount of IR energy and be in the firing envelop. If any one of these conditions is missing, IR missile is useless. So then a pilot has to switch over to gun mode (if in correct range)
One never simultaneously employs a Gun and an IR missile at the same time, its only one of them at a time
Flying is the same. Be it on a Mustang or a Viper. You need to learn the basics first. Rookies start on a subsonic trainer, learn basic maneuvers. Then go on to perform dog fights with other rookies as in WW2. Then they are given a supersonic fighter. After 6-12 months they are taught warfare in AWACS environment. Nobody whos born today jumps to a MKI tomorrow. Basics are important.
So is driving a car. You need to be trained specifically to drive a Ferrari Enzo or a Bugatti Veyron even if you have experience driving a normal car. They always start with the basics first.
Dont confuse or mix basic flying techniques/abilities with basic fighting tactics
.Just learning to fly an F-16 or a Mirage-2000 is one thing, while employing and using these aircrafts as a Weapon System in combat is another. The basics fighting rules are still the same, however new ones keep evolving with improvements in the technology.
The only difference is IAF systems will be more capable and not to mention numerically superior.
Well, we were always outnumbered since independence but this really never bothered our training or morale. PAF tactics are more of a defensive with limited offensive, so numbers comparison doesnt really matter here much. If we can achieve our objectives with 350 fighters, then its pointless to have 1000 fighters
But, here, IAF Mig-21s brought down american F-15s and F-16s.
Really
...I am sure that awarding few Dead-man shots or shots that were well out of Mig-21s dynamic launch zone ( DLZ) wont hurt USAF much
So, now who shall we give credit to.
Well, who else other than you P2 for twisting facts and everything else around here.
.... Cheers man....
