The problem with Pakistan's blasphemy laws

[Vassnti]

There are counter arguments to anything , so it does not bother me who is writting what out of what sort of motivation.

We did what we felt neccessary for our society , no one has the right to dictate us.

But you feel it is right to dictate to others

 

[Shattered]

In your Previous post you said that you were not expecting positive response but you got it.And now you are saying that our Law is stupid so now you shouldn't expect positive response.Give respect get respect.Then why do you people send to jail a person who praises Hitler.I mean it's also freedom of Speech.

Please awsner this do you think its perfectly okay to kill someone cause they dislike your prophet?

Tell me i am sure you have been disrespected by people in your life "evreone has been made fun off, swore at or whatever" What do you do? do you kill them? or do you just ignore em remember to you there opinion doesn't matter right. So if someone disrespected you're prophet if he was still alive would he kill that person ? or pray to god that he sees the "right path".

Then you mention about hitler please note that entierly a diffrent thing i mean i am talking about critizing relegion and not being punished for it. and you're talking about prasing a man who killed 1000s of jews and homosexualls. There is hell alot of diffrence evreone who prays hitler is racist and should go to jail buts thats it he should NOT be killed. where as according to the rule of your country a person who disrespects your "prophet" should be killed. Where is the humanity in it?

One more question. I am sure you have read quran since your a muslim and you know in quran it clearly states that Muhmaad was the last messenger of god right? . now i ask you if someone starts a relegion and says he is the messenger of god and he arived after muhamad. You would be pretty pissed right. but will you kill that and his follwers for it ? i hope not =P. If you know acorrding to the bible its stated that no messenger or prophet will apeer on earth after jesus but then muslims prohet muhmad apeared don't you think chritans were pissed but did they kill? Yes they did . But do they still kill muslims for that NO. Anyways this is a diffrent topic so i'll leave it here.

I hope you understand where i am trying to get at and not go mad or somthing :/.

Also i would like you people to think of the law from a netureal point of view not from an muslim , hindu , christian , jew , agnocist or atheiest's point but look at the it threw a human's eye and tell me isn't it barbaric to kill someone just cause he disrespectes somthing you follow ?

Thank you for reading this posts and sorry for the typos. I look forward to a healthy and a postive responce ;D.

 

[khanz]

Nice wet dreams

yeah whatever you think thats why pakistan did fine without it for nearly 40 years btw nice way to prove what weak faith pakistanis have in islam that they can't defend god's word without these blashpemy laws .
Way to go I love the hypocrisy of pakistanis they love to lecture on islam but instead of following the example of the prophet(pbuh) and and silencing critics through mercy,knowledge and good deeds(many people became muslims this way including people who even tried to KILL the prophet after seeing his goodness and forgiveness) they do the opposite instead and try to jail or kill them and that too against innocents since most accusations have been false anyway

 

[pak-yes]

Tell me i am sure you have been disrespected by people in your life "evreone has been made fun off, swore at or whatever" What do you do? do you kill them? or do you just ignore em remember to you there opinion doesn't matter right. So if someone disrespected you're prophet if he was still alive would he kill that person ? or pray to god that he sees the "right path".

Wrong you cannot compare a common Human being with Last Prophet of ALLAH.

Then you mention about hitler please note that entierly a diffrent thing i mean i am talking about critizing relegion and not being punished for it. and you're talking about prasing a man who killed 1000s of jews and homosexualls. There is hell alot of diffrence evreone who prays hitler is racist and should go to jail buts thats it he should NOT be killed. where as according to the rule of your country a person who disrespects your "prophet" should be killed. Where is the humanity in it?

See how much you have been hurt.We Muslims are also hurt in similar way when you people say bad things about our Prophet.

One more question. I am sure you have read quran since your a muslim and you know in quran it clearly states that Muhmaad was the last messenger of god right? . now i ask you if someone starts a relegion and says he is the messenger of god and he arived after muhamad. You would be pretty pissed right. but will you kill that and his follwers for it ? i hope not =P.

Actually there are the is a sect who does the thing you said above.Ahmadies.They live in Pakistan.Although they cannot be called Muslims because without believing with your heart that Prophet Muhammad(S.A.W.W) is the last messenger of ALLAH you can not be Muslim.

If you know acorrding to the bible its stated that no messenger or prophet will apeer on earth after jesus but then muslims prohet muhmad apeared don't you think chritans were pissed but did they kill? Yes they did . But do they still kill muslims for that NO. Anyways this is a diffrent topic so i'll leave it here.

Just like Quran Muslims also considers Bible a holy Book sent by the same god.Although Bible has been corrupted by man to suit their needs,While Quran has remained pure inspite of 1400 years and will remain so till the day of Judgment.
And You are taking it all wrong i have just said that No Disrespect for Prophet MUHAMMAD(S.A.W.W).

Also i would like you people to think of the law from a netureal point of view not from an muslim , hindu , christian , jew , agnocist or atheiest's point but look at the it threw a human's eye and tell me isn't it barbaric to kill someone just cause he disrespectes somthing you follow ?

Why would a normal human being want to disrespect a Prophet anyway.Somethings are forbidden in life and it is best to respect them.

Lastly i am not a good or practicing Muslim.So if you are not satisfied with my answers that doesn't mean it's end of the world.Surely some other good Muslim member can help you in this forum or a good Imam or Preacher in the real world.

 

[alibaz]

I belive its unfair weather the person being disrespected is jesus or mohmad. I mean so what if some one disrespects them. Does it realy matter what those people think? I mean i am an thiest but i respect evreone's chhoice of relegion and i am Disrespect any relegion weather it be islam, hinduizm , judaizm or what ever tho if its a deabte thats another sotry. But sure if you guys realy want there should be some kind of punishment (not if the "prophet" is being criticised but if is being cursed by the person) but don't you think being sentence to death is a little bit too much ?

also thanks for the postive responce i was expecting someone to quote my post and say some thing along the lines of "your stupid or retard" anyways i look forward to postive responce =P.

What do you think if someone abuses the purest of human beings i.e the great messengers of God right from Adm (peace be upon him) to Muhammad (peace be upon him) so be left, I think he deserves severest of the punishments.
At the same time it must be accepted that this law has been misused for vested interests. Islam doesn't give right to any person or Mullah to decide that someone has committed blasphemy or not instead it is to be decided by the courts basing on evidence and by providing full opportunity to accused to defend himself.
Secondly there is difference of cultures all over the world, some thing considered good or a routine matter in your part of world may be totally unacceptable in our areas and vice versa examples could be veil, drinking, general behaviour in society and many other things. So the bottom line is we must respect each others faith and cultures.
It must be remembered my freedom ends where your nose starts and vice versa. So better respect each other and try to understand dynamics of other societies, because it is always hard to comprehend other societies.

 

[alibaz]

If you know acorrding to the bible its stated that no messenger or prophet will apeer on earth after jesus but then muslims prohet muhmad apeared don't you think chritans were pissed but did they kill? Yes they did . But do they still kill muslims for that NO. Anyways this is a diffrent topic so i'll leave it here.

;D.

Can you please quote where in bibble it is written that Jesus Peace be upon him was the last prophet and there is no one following him. I have bibble and read it number of time I didnot find it anywhere

 

[Paksindhi]

So if i happened to live in pak and critisied Mohammed or disrespected him i would be killed ?

wow that certinely changes the way i look at pak and its people......

CERTAINLY, so stay where u r.

 

[FreekiN]

I wish Pakistan was a secular republic.

We'd probably be at the moon right now lol.

oh well, some dreams aren't meant to come true.

You have to kill someone because they said something offensive to your religion? then go die, seriously. Just die.





I am not flaming. But look at these people! JUST TAKE A LOOK AT IT. They are protesting the law that is protecting them!

 

[alibaz]

Please awsner this do you think its perfectly okay to kill someone cause they dislike your prophet?

it does not pertain to only one prophet this holds good for all prophets peace be on all.

Tell me i am sure you have been disrespected by people in your life "evreone has been made fun off, swore at or whatever" What do you do? do you kill them? or do you just ignore em remember to you there opinion doesn't matter right. So if someone disrespected you're prophet if he was still alive would he kill that person ? or pray to god that he sees the "right path".

What I assume from your post by your ref to Jesus Peace be upon him that you may be Christian. What do you think the personality who has taken all of your sins and will take you to havens is equal to common people. pity!

 

[Shattered]

it does not pertain to only one prophet this holds good for all prophets peace be on all.




What I assume from your post by your ref to Jesus Peace be upon him that you may be Christian. What do you think the personality who has taken all of your sins and will take you to havens is equal to common people. pity!

Just wanted to clear somthing out i am not a christian i am an athiest and an ex muslim and an ex christian.

Its 12 am here right now so i need to get some sleep but i will awnser pak-yes and your posts twomarro till then.

Peace out.

 

[Paksindhi]

But you feel it is right to dictate to others

Sorry 4 intruding, but u must respect other people's sentiment's.

you cant go on and say anything in the name of free speech, there r limit's for every one, u cross those limits be prepared to pay for it.

In Pakistan even if u critisize JESUS u can get into lot of trouble, let alone Prophet MUHAMMAD(pbuh).

We in Pakistan can take any insult and forgive the other, but insult to our Prophet NOWAY

 

[mikkix]

(If i critise muhmad or islam and thats freedom of speach and i shouldn't be sent to that for just that but if i curse him and muslims then sure i should be punished since i would be racist to do that.

anyways this rule is kinda stupid and if you realy wanna aply it then it should be only aplied on muslims not christian, athiests or whatever. )

(One more question. I am sure you have read quran since your a muslim and you know in quran it clearly states that Muhmaad was the last messenger of god right? . now i ask you if someone starts a relegion and says he is the messenger of god and he arived after muhamad. You would be pretty pissed right. but will you kill that and his follwers for it ? i hope not =P. If you know acorrding to the bible its stated that no messenger or prophet will apeer on earth after jesus but then muslims prohet muhmad apeared don't you think chritans were pissed but did they kill? Yes they did . But do they still kill muslims for that NO. Anyways this is a diffrent topic so i'll leave it here.)
@shatterred
[/B]Bible never claimed that Jesus was the last prophet, first of all make your mind clear about the bible as a ethiest,,
Secondly you said that as a human any one have the right to say what he believes right.....I can tell you there is nothing in grey every thing willl be black or either white,,,means either it is right or may be wrong.....there is nothing in between,,,what i mean to say that a person should not have the right to say something against any prophet, people, country, party and anyone.
Why all european countries restricts freedom of speech when someone says that holocaust was just a drama by the group of people in europe to propogate their politics in the world,,,if freedom of speech in europe is allowed then why france and other countries in europe restricts women to wear scarfs (burka)..they should allow them to wear as free country but in that respect they says its our culture and system,,,,this is your hypocrisy.....

 

[Paksindhi]

I wish Pakistan was a secular republic.

We'd probably be at the moon right now lol.

oh well, some dreams aren't meant to come true.

You have to kill someone because they said something offensive to your religion? then go die, seriously. Just die.





I am not flaming. But look at these people! JUST TAKE A LOOK AT IT. They are protesting the law that is protecting them!

I thank ALLAH that Pakistan is not secular.

Secular mean's MADAR PIDAR AZAD.

You r worrying about us not reaching the moon how sad, we went to seventh heaven 14 centuries back.

These people's r more worried about GOD's law, rather than british or american law.

Its ur choice no one is forcing you which law u follow.

If u believe in judgement day, u should know which law will work there.

 

[Vassnti]

So sad that there are so many that leap to the defence of violence.
Over what, words and words at that said by some one who must be by there actions an nonbeliver.

So who do these words hurt? Can they hurt Allah obviously not, can foul words impune the purity of the Prophet obviously not.

So there is only one person left that could be hurt and that is the feeling of those who resort to violence. So it would seem violence is the refuge of those who doubt, who feel their faith is so weak that the opinion of another can harm it.

When did death to the infidels replace As-Salāmu `Alaykum as the greeting of the religion of peace?

 

[Kompromat]

For the first 37 years of the state Pakistan did without such laws. Then they were imposed while the country was under the thumb of a dictator. Why should Pakistanis accept these laws as necessary and desirable, then?

These are called the transitional phases.