The Indian Ocean riposte (Stunning news about the S3 & S4 & S4*)

[Capt.Popeye]

I'm actually looking to know what is the rating of its power reactor? It certainly has to be more than 84 MW currently used.
Akula 2 has on-board power plant of 190+ MW rating and if we are looking at similar displacement size vessel, it means more than doubling the core capacity of powerpack (with incremental increase in physical size of core, to accommodate more fuel bundles).
Now if such a thing is being developed, it can be used for IAC 2 as well (in pairs) and hence all this development if seen holistically has large implications on how our fleet (especially proposed CBGs) would look in next decade onwards.
@Capt.Popeye

I do not know the specifics; but logically speaking, the propulsion plant must be be larger. Then it can also be modified for powering up the IAC project. But has that design been frozen yet?

 

[SuperSubrayan]

Is there any govt. source or is this 10k sub is a myth by india today

Actually this is our old plan requested by IN for a very long time. Arihant is just a trailer for these Huge SSBN . But due to lot of criticism from political class they have some how managed to increase the weapon load by double the S2 . Since S2 supposed to have 80+ KW reactor weapon load was less. But since they have doubled the armament of our SSBN I really wonder if they already replaced power plant with greater power from S3 , 4 ,4* . 80 Kw is not enough for Submarines like Arihant class which will carry atleast 8 K4 SLBM with 3500+ KM . That's huge power needed to be generated for its own thrust.

Don't forget .This is still a secret projects under closed doors. Potential is very much more than what we have been told .

 

[anant_s]

I do not know the specifics; but logically speaking, the propulsion plant must be be larger. Then it can also be modified for powering up the IAC project. But has that design been frozen yet?

Well not really, there are a lot of different reports.
My point was that Nimitz class carriers having displacement of approximately 100, 000 Tonnes require 2*150 MW reactors, so if reports of IAC 2 having displacement of ~60,000-70,000 Tonnes is correct guess, 2 powerpacks (rated at 140 MW) same rating as we are assuming for Arihant followup could be sufficient.
But again there are no confirmed reports on either subject.

 

[IND151]

Try GOOGLE.

You wrote Manoj Parrikar.

Did you mean Manohar Parrikar?

 

[Abingdonboy]

I'm a little apprehensive about how so many websites 're giving details of project 17A and location details of where the stealth frigates will be constructed. Did you notice it? Or am I raising false alarms?
In this age ppl can also use google earth to zoom in on our docks, but somehow I dont like it.

Don't worry about it @levina these yards are very well protected and there is little risk in publicising such info. Other navies publicise these activities much more- the RN gives weekly updates on the progress of the construction of their QE class aircraft carriers for example.

The IN still keeps what it needs/wants to very quiet i.e. specific info on its strategic assets (SSBNs, SSNs, ELF facility etc etc).

 

[RISING SUN]

Freaking Awesome and Exciting

3 Arihant class, 6 new SSBN, 2 Russian SSN and 6 new Indian SSN ....... That is 17 Nuclear Submarines by India by 2015-30

Quite Literally 1 Nuclear Submarine a year.

It is still not complete list. There will be three more submarines which will be inducted around 2025. These will be follow on submarines of SSN. And first three(doubt about forth) will be converted into SSGN after three follow on submarines become operational. In total we will have 11 SSN, 3 -4 SSBN, remaining 3-4 SSGN. All board will be fully operational by 2028. Thank you.

India must push hard for unmanned SSK. This is the key to future.

INS Aridaman gonna have 8 K4 missiles with 3500 km.

The next series going to have10 Agni-6 MIRV with 6000 km range.

For recon purpose its ok. But I wouldn't like a unmanned nuke boat to venture near enemy waters. And regarding INS Aridhman, its tonnage is same as Arihant. Only weapon load is increased, just like in Kolkata class boats.

I don't think so... around 4-6 of them will be used for the CBG's ... probably we need another 5-7

As per my information there will be three more boats follow on of First generation SSNs. Their timeline is mid 2025 to closing of financial year in 2028.

But it's the first time we came to know about S4* and 3 10000 T SSBN . So let's wait for more acknowledgement from IN or government source.

But for sure sure we will have 3 SSBN and 6 SSN . After the construction of 3 SSBN Arihant . We will start our work on 6 SSN . And after this we will start 3 10000T SSBN . We have 2 supply lines of Arihant . So if thus new got investing on another 2 more supply line then it must be for 3 more bigger SSBN with at least 14000T submerged .

And sure these supply lines won't sit ideal but keep running with next batch of advanced SSNs as by now we might have most credible under water fleet

We Indians tend to get lost in hypes and miss the fine details. Forth SSBN was already mentioned many times in need in domestic news. Although three 10k boat is surprise for me also as I knew only about 2 10k tonnage boats. Coming on supply lines there will be two distinct supply lines for nuke subs, one for SSN and another for SSBN.

From where did you get 3 new SSBN ? i.e. S5,6,7 ? Indian Cabinet has cleared 6 SSBN. This is in addition to the S2,3,4.

That makes it 17.

Finally it says 1 Akula and 1 Kashalot / Uniform class from Russia. Not 2 Akula.

Since Kashalot is made of Titanium, 2.7 billion $ seems like a possible price.

It was a surprise to me as well but indeed government has ordered 4 plus 3 SSBN. And India is interested in Akula 2 but Russians are interested in leasing us two more SSN boats.

Did I miss something? Thee article talks about 6 SSN and 4 SSBN.

Yup. You three follow on SSBN and two leased SSNs.

 

[Gessler]

The S-5 SSBN would easily be around 20,000 tons. I have info that says it shares some similarities with
the cancelled Soviet Delta-IV class SSBN...no. of silos is not confirmed, but minimum is 12, as is stated in the article.
We are unlikely to go for more than 3 of these full-fledged SSBNs.

After those 3 dedicated SSBNs (each armed with atleast 12 x of the advanced K-5 Submarine-Launched
Ballistic Missiles (SLBMs). The K-5 is gonna be a beast, having an intercontinental reach of around 6,500 kms,
with each missile having atleast 3-6 MIRVed nuclear warheads (and decoys), with a maximum payload
capacity of 2 tons...which is quite terrific....and it can manage 6500km with a full 2-ton payload, which means
in actual conditions (where decoy warheads will be included), it's operational reach could be much higher. But
don't take my word for it. On top of all these raw specs, it'g gonna have all our latest advancements in navigation,
fiber-optics, space-based comms, propulsion and composite materials) are commissioned, the existing 3 Arihants
would be converted to SSGNs, each can be armed with 20 x Nirbhay SLCMs (in the silos alone) as well as
BrahMos-NG or other subsonic ASCMs.

The real hunter-killers, the SSNs, would easily be procured in numbers totaling well over a dozen (upto 18 boats is possible) in due course of time...although 6 subs seems to be the first step.

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All this, in addition to our procurement of conventional attack submarines.

 

[RISING SUN]

This is the second most importent deal after NaMo govt approved deal for 8000 Artillery pieces. Two major areas where Indian Armed Forces has been legging for decades to almost pathatic level. Next up, modernising the Infantry at a quick pace.

Mate can you please provide a news link for 8000 artilary guna. I thought total number was 1333 or 1444 American guns.

This is the second most importent deal after NaMo govt approved deal for 8000 Artillery pieces. Two major areas where Indian Armed Forces has been legging for decades to almost pathatic level. Next up, modernising the Infantry at a quick pace.

Mate can you please provide a news link for 8000 artilary guns. I thought total number was 1333 or 1444 American guns.

 

[The_Sidewinder]

Mate can you please provide a news link for 8000 artilary guna. I thought total number was 1333 or 1444 American guns.


Mate can you please provide a news link for 8000 artilary guns. I thought total number was 1333 or 1444 American guns.

It was a typo mate. Should have been 814 guns to be precise. That only includes towed artillery.

Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar clears proposal to acquire 814 artillery guns for Rs 15,750 crore | Latest News & Updates at Daily News & Analysis

The single largest artillery acquisition will be of 1,580 pieces of towed 155 mm/52-calibre guns over a period of 12 to 15 years. Of these, 400 guns are to be imported and the remaining 1,180 produced in India with transfer of technology (ToT). Trials are also reported to be in progress for 100 pieces of self-propelled guns for the desert terrain.

About your querry about American guns , I am not including 145 pieces of 155 mm/39-calibre M777 howitzers of the US-based MNC BAE Systems for the mountains through the Foreign
Military Sales (FMS) & DAC approved proposal recently from the OFB to manufacture 144 155 mm/45-calibre howitzers with the option to acquire another
400 provided the prototypes successfully meet the army’s GSQR in user trials.

 

[RISING SUN]

1 SSBN is already getting ready for induction, 2 SSBN are already under production.

On 18 Feb 2015, Indian Cabinet just cleared production of 6 additional SSBN.

Article says the plan is to have 2 SSN for each carrier, since the plan is for 3 Carriers, that will be 6 SSN.

2 SSN Leased from Russia.

How much does all of that add up to ?



See............ you have nothing to worry about.

Nope, you mixed up things mate. One is going to be inducted by year end, another one going to start trials. Two are under building at Vadodara. Then this line of production will start working on follow on SSBN. Another manufacturing line is under building and will make 6 SSNs which defence ministry just cleared. Then it will start working on three follow on boats. Mind it that first four SSBN surfaced weight is 6000 tonne with eight cells for K4 except S2 which have 4 similar cells only. Next follow on boats will have more deeper length cells to accomodate multi tube facility or heavier and longer version Ballistic missile excluding K4.

 

[SuperSubrayan]

The S-5 SSBN would easily be around 20,000 tons. I have info that says it shares some similarities with
the cancelled Soviet Delta-IV class SSBN...no. of silos is not confirmed, but minimum is 12, as is stated in the article.
We are unlikely to go for more than 3 of these full-fledged SSBNs.

After those 3 dedicated SSBNs (each armed with atleast 12 x of the advanced K-5 Submarine-Launched
Ballistic Missiles (SLBMs). The K-5 is gonna be a beast, having an intercontinental reach of around 6,500 kms,
with each missile having atleast 3-6 MIRVed nuclear warheads (and decoys), with a maximum payload
capacity of 2 tons...which is quite terrific....and it can manage 6500km with a full 2-ton payload, which means
in actual conditions (where decoy warheads will be included), it's operational reach could be much higher. But
don't take my word for it. On top of all these raw specs, it'g gonna have all our latest advancements in navigation,
fiber-optics, space-based comms, propulsion and composite materials) are commissioned, the existing 3 Arihants
would be converted to SSGNs, each can be armed with 20 x Nirbhay SLCMs (in the silos alone) as well as
BrahMos-NG or other subsonic ASCMs.

The real hunter-killers, the SSNs, would easily be procured in numbers totaling well over a dozen (upto 18 boats is possible) in due course of time...although 6 subs seems to be the first step.

--

All this, in addition to our procurement of conventional attack submarines.

True that ! To carry 12 K5 with at least 2T MIRV warheads is not responsible for 10000 T SSBN I may say it might be underestimated by at least 2000 T and so when submerged it's may well be beyond 18000 mark. But GRT will he be around 10000-12000 T .

And this new submarines madness by our Real Patriotic PM will make India a Global Super Power of the 21st century. Now Chinese have no option but to go for war in the next 5 years over SCS or later it will be a suicide. As we can see our strategic planning is to go for Naval Offensive for any mischief at Himalayas .
And don't forget all SCS countries are tanking up to procure Submarines and naval platforms in numbers .

Saying that . India - Japan - US Pacific fleet - Australia will go for offensive against China if it dare to attack any of this 4 nation's interest . On other hand Vietnam is buying 6 russian Kilo and in future Missile boats from India armed with Brahmos missiles will make Indo-Vietnam combo the best of all . Thanks to this new govt for using our global power to bring great powers like Japanese US to have greater strategic interest with Vietnam.

That's some serious power packed fire power being organised to pin down the bully at whole new level .

CHECKMATE !!! GAME OVER

 

[RISING SUN]

It was a typo mate. Should have been 814 guns to be precise. That only includes towed artillery.

Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar clears proposal to acquire 814 artillery guns for Rs 15,750 crore | Latest News & Updates at Daily News & Analysis

The single largest artillery acquisition will be of 1,580 pieces of towed 155 mm/52-calibre guns over a period of 12 to 15 years. Of these, 400 guns are to be imported and the remaining 1,180 produced in India with transfer of technology (ToT). Trials are also reported to be in progress for 100 pieces of self-propelled guns for the desert terrain.

About your querry about American guns , I am not including 145 pieces of 155 mm/39-calibre M777 howitzers of the US-based MNC BAE Systems for the mountains through the Foreign
Military Sales (FMS) & DAC approved proposal recently from the OFB to manufacture 144 155 mm/45-calibre howitzers with the option to acquire another
400 provided the prototypes successfully meet the army’s GSQR in user trials.

Yes I was talking about that only mate.

 

[SuperSubrayan]

It was a typo mate. Should have been 814 guns to be precise. That only includes towed artillery.


The single largest artillery acquisition will be of 1,580 pieces of towed 155 mm/52-calibre guns over a period of 12 to 15 years. Of these, 400 guns are to be imported and the remaining 1,180 produced in India with transfer of technology (ToT). Trials are also reported to be in progress for 100 pieces of self-propelled guns for the desert terrain.

About your querry about American guns , I am not including 145 pieces of 155 mm/39-calibre M777 howitzers of the US-based MNC BAE Systems for the mountains through the Foreign
Military Sales (FMS) & DAC approved proposal recently from the OFB to manufacture 144 155 mm/45-calibre howitzers with the option to acquire another
400 provided the prototypes successfully meet the army’s GSQR in user trials.

Is it new news or old one !!! As far as I can remember we are not buying MM777but going for indigenous guns ??

Please clarify !!!

 

[RISING SUN]

Please ignore this butthurt false flag.

One thing the article missed is the next bgen Nuke submarines will be armed with Agni-6. (MIRV and 6000 km).

Our boomers will never carry any Agni series missile, ever.

 

[The_Sidewinder]

Is it new news or old one !!! As far as I can remember we are not buying MM777but going for indigenous guns ??

Please clarify !!!

I dont think M777 project is completly shelved. Still possibilities are there.