The future of Islam is not in the middle east, it's in Indonesia, Malaysia, Turkey, Senegal, by Reza

[T-Rex]

Only those who have a myopic view would be against secularism.

Those with 'myopic' view are calling the shots in india, I hope you enjoy it. I hear that all will be forced to read the ramayan or else be sent to the concentration camp. Good going! I wonder what will happen to the champions of suckularism in india! Perhaps they should ask the suckular BD government to save them or at least they can ask for asylum to the BD government. After all, the suckular AL government in BD is forever indebted to the champions of suckularism in india for helping them to firmly establish fascism in BD.

 

[Levina]

Those with 'myopic' view are calling the shots in india, I hope you enjoy it. I hear that all will be forced to read the ramayan or else be sent to the concentration camp. Good going! I wonder what will happen to the champions of suckularism in india! Perhaps they should ask the suckular BD government to save them or at least they can ask for asylum to the BD government. After all, the suckular AL government in BD is forever indebted to the champions of suckularism in india for helping them to firmly establish fascism in BD.

Do you always rant like this or is today a special occasion??
We 're off topic but still let me confirm that nobody is being forced to read Ramayan. Not so long back ramayan used to aired on DD channel and was watched by both Hindu and Muslim communities.

I don't wish to continue this discussion as you don't 've anything worth saying regarding the topic. So pls don't quote me again on this thread, I won't reply back to your rants.

 

[haviZsultan]

Beg to differ. Our not being in better state has nothing to do with us not being secular. It is not the solution to our problems, if anything it will create more problems.
Secondly why do we need to be secular to protect minorities?
Its is our responsibility to protect them regardless of ones religion and there are strict laws in Shariah about it. So why drag Islam in this.

It is not necessary that Islam and secularism are on differing trajectories. It is possible to provide secularism in an Islamic environment. Secularism is entailed in many Islamic movements like Sufism and Mutazilite line of thinking. Furthermore the first man to introduce secularism to the world was a muslim named Averoes or Ibn Rushd. Be broadminded and forward thinking. Do not think of secularism as an anti Islamic philosophy. It is the first stage to understand our noble, secular and beautiful history. History which was built on a policy of secularism. Readabout Islamic movements like the Din E Ilahi of the Mughals and Ijtehad of Allama Iqbal. There is a striking resemblance with modern day secularism.

Its basically our system that the west is using even though some societies there are not secular. For example France which banned headscarves and Netherlands which banned minarets. Secularism entails equal rights for everyone and it is very much compatible with Islam.

 

[al-Hasani]

It is not necessary that Islam and secularism are on differing trajectories. It is possible to provide secularism in an Islamic environment. Secularism is entailed in many Islamic movements like Sufism and Mutazilite line of thinking. Furthermore the first man to introduce secularism to the world was a muslim named Averoes or Ibn Rushd. Be broadminded and forward thinking. Do not think of secularism as an anti Islamic philosophy. It is the first stage to understand our noble, secular and beautiful history. History which was built on a policy of secularism. Readabout Islamic movements like the Din E Ilahi of the Mughals and Ijtehad of Allama Iqbal. There is a striking resemblance with modern day secularism.

Its basically our system that the west is using even though some societies there are not secular. For example France which banned headscarves and Netherlands which banned minarets. Secularism entails equal rights for everyone and it is very much compatible with Islam.

Ibn Rushd was an Arab Muslim polymath of Al-Andalus. I have read some of his works but I am not sure if he was the first person to introduce secularism to the world.

I don't get the discussion about secularism vs non-secularism. In a state that is majority Muslim most people will follow Islam automatically. I don't like forcing anything upon people either. But for instance I doubt that KSA would change much if it suddenly become a secular state. Well, some idiotic laws that were created in 1979 (due to the Siege of Al-Masjid Al-Haram and the "glorious Islamic" revolution in Iran next by) would be gone for good but people would still attend mosques, women would still wear headscarfs and people would still celebrate Muslim holidays etc. By large.

If it was up to me I would create two parallel law systems in KSA. One secular and one religious. If a person wanted to be tried in a Shari'ah court then that opportunity should be open for him. Anyway the legal system in KSA is already moving into that direction. Slowly but steadily

The problem is that KSA is a unique Muslim country for obvious reasons and the cradle of Islam. Whatever is done people will complain and cry. If KSA turned hardcore secular tomorrow and adopted Arab nationalism 100% the entire conservative group among Muslims would complain 24/7. Now the liberal Muslims want KSA to turn into another UK. It's difficult. Not sure if people are ready for such changes...

 

[Luffy 500]

What does the writer mean by future of islam? Is it some sort of notion he made up in his head? What does it even suppose to mean? To begin with, there is no concept of nation state based on nationalsim in Islam. If he meant center of learning and islamic scholarship- KSA for eg. still boast the best center of islamic learning. There is hardly any center of learning like Islamic University of Madinah in the countries this guy mentioned. Some of the renowned islamic scholars of our time whether its in turkey, BD, PAK or malaysia r students of institutes like Al-azhar and University of Madinah.

It is not necessary that Islam and secularism are on differing trajectories. It is possible to provide secularism in an Islamic environment. Secularism is entailed in many Islamic movements like Sufism and Mutazilite line of thinking. Furthermore the first man to introduce secularism to the world was a muslim named Averoes or Ibn Rushd. Be broadminded and forward thinking. Do not think of secularism as an anti Islamic philosophy. It is the first stage to understand our noble, secular and beautiful history. History which was built on a policy of secularism. Readabout Islamic movements like the Din E Ilahi of the Mughals and Ijtehad of Allama Iqbal. There is a striking resemblance with modern day secularism.

Its basically our system that the west is using even though some societies there are not secular. For example France which banned headscarves and Netherlands which banned minarets. Secularism entails equal rights for everyone and it is very much compatible with Islam.

A muslim can't be secular, period. Secularism & islam r 180° to each other.

What is secularism? - islamqa.info

The movements u speak of r not islamic to begin with. Mutazilites were a well known extreme deviant group , the other extreme of the kharijites and other extremist ideology. Din E Ilahi was a new religion of a heretic like akbar where as philosophers like Ibn Rushd were not scholars rather they were nominally muslims and r not a authority on Islam in the first place. Bottom line- Islam won't change with the whims and desires of a particular society at any particular time and its not their to suite the dominant political narrative of a particular time. All isms r temporary and will come and go whereas , islam is permanent. Its way of life for all times till the end of the world and it is a complete package -u either take it or leave it.

 

[Ammyy]

A muslim can't be secular, period. Secularism & islam r 180° to each other.

That is why article described only those nation who can show path to follow islam with peace.

 

[xenon54 out]

A muslim can't be secular, period. Secularism & islam r 180° to each other.

Countrys arent muslims only people, you can be a muslim but live in a secular country.
But you wont listen to me so lets hear it from Erdogan.

"Secularism does not mean that people are secular. For example, I am not secular, but I am the prime minister of a secular state,"

http://online.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424053111904491704576570670264116178

 

[rmi5]

Countrys arent muslims only people, you can be a muslim but live in a secular country.
But you wont listen to me so lets hear it from your beloved Erdogan.

"Secularism does not mean that people are secular. For example, I am not secular, but I am the prime minister of a secular state,"

http://online.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424053111904491704576570670264116178

Secularism is simply the separation of the state and church(mosque, temple, ...)
What does a secular person mean? If he means irreligious, that's another term, but if he means believing in a secular system, he has sworn to protect secular constitution, so, he needs to be a secular.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Future is not with any country unless they advance technologically they are face the outcome of being a torn paper from pages of history unless

a) Education reforms are done
b) Birth control is introduced
c) Better Job contro/ Un Employment control
d) Better court systems that take modern society values into consideration
e) Focus on Science , Technology and Humanities (a often neglected branch in Muslim countries)

Only countries that look marginally to fit that prespective
1) Malaysia or Turkey

 

[rockstar08]

the future of Islam is already foretold ... so lets not waste time with other theories , eventually things will come up to where they should be
just live your life and keep enjoying the show

 

[airmarshal]

The centre of gravity of Islam shifted from Arabia long time ago. It then moved to Turkey and Central Asia. Now it will move to Asia.

I say this because there is a theory among Islamic scholars and I will try to share it here.

Noah had three sons - Shem. Ham and Japheth. Noah was messenger of Allah and he preached for 950 years but was not very successful. As he persevered in the path of Almighty, the Almighty will reward him through his sons and their descendants.

All humanity is descendant of the three sons of Noah.

This is how this theory works. The descendants of his son Shem are in Arabia and Middle East. The Almighty descended most of the prophets in the Semite races of Middle East. The most illustrious of His descendants was Mohammed PBUH. This is how Shem was rewarded.

Japheth's descendants settled in Europe and around Mount Ararat. Its these peoples from whom descended Turkic nations and tribes as well as Ashkenaz. The way to reward Japheth, or Noah indirectly is that, the greatest Empires were built by the descendants of Japheth. In fact, the Europeans still rule the world in terms of commerce, culture and economy. The greatest Empire of Islam - the Ottoman Empire was also created by descendants of Japheth. Its also important to note that Sultan Mohammed Fatih, the one who conquered Constantinople, had been prophesied by Prophet Mohammed himself to be a person who will share his name will one day conquer the greatest city of then prosperous part of Europe.

Now its the turn of Ham. Muslim scholars agree that its this son whose descendants havent been rewarded as yet. These are the peoples of Asia. In the view of Muslim scholars, its the Muslims of South Asia, who will emerge as a big power. As Islam centre of gravity shifts eastwards.

Now this is just a theory. I would like people to respect it rather ridicule it.

 

[M.AsfandYar]

What does the writer mean by future of islam? Is it some sort of notion he made up in his head? What does it even suppose to mean? To begin with, there is no concept of nation state based on nationalsim in Islam. If he meant center of learning and islamic scholarship- KSA for eg. still boast the best center of islamic learning. There is hardly any center of learning like Islamic University of Madinah in the countries this guy mentioned. Some of the renowned islamic scholars of our time whether its in turkey, BD, PAK or malaysia r students of institutes like Al-azhar and University of Madinah.




A muslim can't be secular, period. Secularism & islam r 180° to each other.

What is secularism? - islamqa.info

The movements u speak of r not islamic to begin with. Mutazilites were a well known extreme deviant group , the other extreme of the kharijites and other extremist ideology. Din E Ilahi was a new religion of a heretic like akbar where as philosophers like Ibn Rushd were not scholars rather they were nominally muslims and r not a authority on Islam in the first place. Bottom line- Islam won't change with the whims and desires of a particular society at any particular time and its not their to suite the dominant political narrative of a particular time. All isms r temporary and will come and go whereas , islam is permanent. Its way of life for all times till the end of the world and it is a complete package -u either take it or leave it.

I quite agree. Tried to explain it earlier but couldnt.

 

[T-Rex]

Do you always rant like this or is today a special occasion??
We 're off topic but still let me confirm that nobody is being forced to read Ramayan. Not so long back ramayan used to aired on DD channel and was watched by both Hindu and Muslim communities.

I don't wish to continue this discussion as you don't 've anything worth saying regarding the topic. So pls don't quote me again on this thread, I won't reply back to your rants.

Rants are those secular speeches designed for others while voting in the hindu terrorists to power!

 

[Levina]

Rants are those secular speeches designed for others while voting in the hindu terrorists to power!

Thats your definition which is not even close to what secularism means.

 

[pursuit of happiness]

Even Pakistan's national poet, Allama Iqbal was a deep supporter of secularism. Jinnah the founder of the Pakistani state was staunchly secular too and exhorted us to protect minorities. 11th August address was proof he supported secularism.We need to provide equal rights to our people and forge a system which will be the envy of the world.

The secular nations are in a much better state than mullahcracies.

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i read Jiinah was secular but Iqbal was.. ? i never know
if both were seculare .. as top 2 natioanl builders ...
why then Islamic republic of pak and not secular