The future of Islam is not in the middle east, it's in Indonesia, Malaysia, Turkey, Senegal, by Reza

[Falcon29]

I am simply saying that MB was no democratic anymore, meaning that it's not foreigner's business to use it as a tool to meddle in their politics in favor of their own party in another country. I am referring to AKP, and Erdogan, to be more precise, who says the same falsifications to justify their wrong policies against egyptian people.

Why do you say so?

 

[Levina]

You should wait a bit with that,who knows what the future brings.

can anyone predict future?
I just said what I observed. The most distinctive characteristics of Turkey compared to other Muslim countries in addition to being a multi party democracy and a working economy, is its secular nature and its treatment of women ,at least before the law. Turkish people 've tasted and liked the secular way of life.... finding ways to combine it with the Islamic faith.
That is why the ppl I mean ppl in many Muslim countries turn their eyes to Turkey to observe that to be a Muslim and to live a Westernoriented life is possible, which is what Turkey has to keep and protect.
Yes I know that there are serious problems in the economy but despite a lack of energy sources the Turkish economy has a total wealth the sum of 22 other members of the Islamic Cooperation Organization which is bigger than many European Union countries and slightly better than a few of them.

 

[xenon54 out]

can anyone predict future?
I just said what I observed. The most distinctive characteristics of Turkey compared to other Muslim countries in addition to being a multi party democracy and a working economy, is its secular nature and its treatment of women ,at least before the law. Turkish people 've tasted and liked the secular way of life.... finding ways to combine it with the Islamic faith.
That is why the ppl I mean ppl in many Muslim countries turn their eyes to Turkey to observe that to be a Muslim and to live a Westernoriented life is possible, which is what Turkey has to keep and protect.
Yes I know that there are serious problems in the economy but despite a lack of energy sources the Turkish economy has a total wealth the sum of 22 other members of the Islamic Cooperation Organization which is bigger than many European Union countries and slightly better than a few of them.

Its too early for most muslim countrys to adopt Turkish system, first muslims must understand that secularism isnt atheism, MB in Egypt got mad when Erdogan said this to them.

 

[Indos]

Last time i checked Indonesia, Malaysia, Turkey, and Senegal are all secular states, in fact all Muslim countries with the exception of KSA and Iran are somehow secular to an extent, Islam's future is only in a Caliphate.

yeah secular but we are among the top in term of praying 5 times a day, much much more than Iranian peple, just check Pew Research on religious commitment section.

Beside that shariah law is not in one community hand to interpret it. For instant, we dont push women to use hijab since using hijab is a private section on Shariah like praying, government cannot intervene it, so Shariah law interpretation can be differ based on each side interpretation.

For your information, we dont use shariah law except in Aceh, but as long as our parliament want to change any positive law into what the majority like it to change, it can be changed, and its still part of the game we call democracy.

 

[T-123456]

can anyone predict future?
I just said what I observed. The most distinctive characteristics of Turkey compared to other Muslim countries in addition to being a multi party democracy and a working economy, is its secular nature and its treatment of women ,at least before the law. Turkish people 've tasted and liked the secular way of life.... finding ways to combine it with the Islamic faith.
That is why the ppl I mean ppl in many Muslim countries turn their eyes to Turkey to observe that to be a Muslim and to live a Westernoriented life is possible, which is what Turkey has to keep and protect.
Yes I know that there are serious problems in the economy but despite a lack of energy sources the Turkish economy has a total wealth the sum of 22 other members of the Islamic Cooperation Organization which is bigger than many European Union countries and slightly better than a few of them.

You misunderstood Teach,with Erdogan in charge the secular system could change into a more conservative system,we see many examples of what he wants Turkiye to be.
So,as long as he or his party the AKP rules,we have an uncertain future.

 

[Levina]

You misunderstood Teach,with Erdogan in charge the secular system could change into a more conservative system,we see many examples of what he wants Turkiye to be.
So,as long as he or his party the AKP rules,we have an uncertain future.

hmmm right I did hear ambivalent views about him,some say that hes pushing Turkey towards autocracy and then there 're others who tell me that Erdogan is a charismatic leader who changed the crisis-hit Turkey of the early 2000s into a prospering and respected country. Heard he favors the presidential system rather than the parliamentary system.
I hope Turkey remains secular for long and if Erdogan is an obstacle in the way of Turkey's progress then he should be removed asap.

 

[T-123456]

hmmm right I did hear ambivalent views about him,some say that hes pushing Turkey towards autocracy and then there 're others who tell me that Erdogan is a charismatic leader who changed the crisis-hit Turkey of the early 2000s into a prospering and respected country. Heard he favors the presidential system rather than the parliamentary system.
I hope Turkey remains secular for long and if Erdogan is an obstacle in the way of Turkey's progress then he should be removed asap.

Under these circumstances,almost impossible.

 

[Jungibaaz]

Reza Aslan's a good man. Schooled some people in the past on this issue too.

Bill Maher the pseudoliberal being one of them.

 

[al-Hasani]

This Farsi struggles with math it seems. That are 450 million Arabs. Over 90% of them are Muslims. That's well over 400 million Muslims. It's by far the biggest Muslim ethnic group in the world. There are about 1.6 billion Muslims in the world. You make the math. At least 20%.

Islam's 3 holliest places are also found in the Arab world. 5 if you include Karbala and Najaf for our Shia friends.

His claim is like saying that the "future" of Judaism is in New York City and not Israel.

 

[atatwolf]

Reza Aslan's a good man. Schooled some people in the past on this issue too.

Bill Maher the pseudoliberal being one of them.

Cenk is the biggest cheerleader of that guy although he is agnostic

 

[Jungibaaz]

Cenk is the biggest cheerleader of that guy although he is agnostic

Cenk is fiercely agnostic, but yeah, he gets it when comes to the topic of the western style fearmongering regarding Islam.

Bill Maher I also find particularly pathetic, he tries so hard to hide his pro-Israeli apologist bias, he tries hard to hide under new atheism and liberalism. I don't blame Cenk for going after him.

 

[mughal arslan shah mirza]

Bill Maher I also find particularly pathetic, he tries so hard to hide his pro-Israeli apologist bias, he tries hard to hide under new atheism and liberalism. I don't blame Cenk for going after him.

True. I was initially really attracted to Maher's diatribes against certain international occurrences but his pro-Israel bias really ticked me off to be honest. It was a shocker for me. Couldn't have envisaged him being so heavily under this bias. Comes off as a pseudo-liberal like you said.
But many just maybe this is what the channel demands of him and not necessarily his personal viewpoints.

 

[T-Rex]

I hope Turkey remains secular for long and if Erdogan is an obstacle in the way of Turkey's progress then he should be removed asap.

And indians should remove Modi before preaching 'suckularism'. BTW, that's how one Modi fan spelled secularism, I agree with him 100%, at least about the spelling of this blood-sucking political theory. I hope this spelling becomes more widely accepted.

 

[Levina]

And indians should remove Modi before preaching 'suckularism'. BTW, that's how one Modi fan spelled secularism, I agree with him 100%, at least about the spelling of this blood-sucking political theory. I hope this spelling becomes more widely accepted.

Only those who have a myopic view would be against secularism.

Under these circumstances,almost impossible.

Why not??

 

[M.AsfandYar]

Even Pakistan's national poet, Allama Iqbal was a deep supporter of secularism. Jinnah the founder of the Pakistani state was staunchly secular too and exhorted us to protect minorities. 11th August address was proof he supported secularism.We need to provide equal rights to our people and forge a system which will be the envy of the world.

The secular nations are in a much better state than mullahcracies.

Beg to differ. Our not being in better state has nothing to do with us not being secular. It is not the solution to our problems, if anything it will create more problems.
Secondly why do we need to be secular to protect minorities?
Its is our responsibility to protect them regardless of ones religion and there are strict laws in Shariah about it. So why drag Islam in this.