The Conflict in Syria as it Relates to Turkey | Updates & Discussions

[Bismarck]

That's my own opinion.

I like what Tukey has done. After Georgia, Ukraine and Syria, Russia must know that they can't behavior like a wild money in a cave. Some one must stop Russian aggression.

We reacted to Russian aggression against Türkmen's and violation of our airspace, that was a warning.

Germany is really in panic mode, I am monitoring their news.
But also in paranoia searching a single "terrorist", who seems already been killed.
It seems that all is a a fake, to make Germany a Police State.
Many politicians in Germany are not happy, that they trapped in French false flag information's !

@Bismarck

Explain it please.

what did he say?

"Auch deutsche Spitzenpolitiker äußerten sich. Er hoffe, dass aus dem jüngsten Konflikt zwischen Russland und Türkei in der Syrienkrise kein Schaden für die angestrebte internationale Koalition gegen den Terror entstehe, sagte Vizekanzler Sigmar Gabriel (SPD).

Gabriel attackierte das Vorgehen Ankaras: "Erst mal zeigt der Zwischenfall, dass wir einen Spieler dabei haben, der nach Aussage von verschiedenen Teilen der Region unkalkulierbar ist: Das ist die Türkei und damit nicht die Russen", sagte der SPD-Chef der Deutschen Presse-Agentur in Berlin. "Dass die Russen jetzt die Konfrontation auslösen durch die Verletzung des Luftraums, darf einen ja nicht darüber hinwegtäuschen, dass auch die Türkei dort in diesem Konflikt eine schwierige Rolle spielt."

 

[Hurshid Celebi]

@Bismarck

German SErvices and Police are manipulated from France ? That guy is not in Bielefeld !

He is back in JOB

Roubaix: Zahlreiche Verletzte bei Geiselnahme im Norden von Frankreich - SPIEGEL ONLINE

 

[-SINAN-]

Our government is in panic mode because of shouting down a Russian jet!

We are quiet relaxed over here....

 

[Hurshid Celebi]

You promised me to translate my post

There is all written. French spread false information to get unlimited solidarity and spread panic (False Flag- in Hannover case) .

Gabriel is an a...hole, he was the first Western Politician to visit CRUEL IRAN

 

[-SINAN-]

Gabriel is an a...hole, he was the first Western Politician to visit CRUEL IRAN

What did she said ? From google translate, i understand that she blamed Turkey ?

 

[Bismarck]

We are quiet relaxed over here....

On what do you trust? Even if Russia don't attack you direct, they can hurt you much. They can focus their attacks on turkmens and support PKK with much weapon. All legal. More or less.

What did she said ? From google translate, i understand that she blamed Turkey ?

You promised me to translate my post

There is all written. French spread false information to get unlimited solidarity and spread panic (False Flag- in Hannover case) .

Gabriel is an a...hole, he was the first Western Politician to visit CRUEL IRAN

Which post do you mean?

 

[LegionnairE]

"Auch deutsche Spitzenpolitiker äußerten sich. Er hoffe, dass aus dem jüngsten Konflikt zwischen Russland und Türkei in der Syrienkrise kein Schaden für die angestrebte internationale Koalition gegen den Terror entstehe, sagte Vizekanzler Sigmar Gabriel (SPD).

Gabriel attackierte das Vorgehen Ankaras: "Erst mal zeigt der Zwischenfall, dass wir einen Spieler dabei haben, der nach Aussage von verschiedenen Teilen der Region unkalkulierbar ist: Das ist die Türkei und damit nicht die Russen", sagte der SPD-Chef der Deutschen Presse-Agentur in Berlin. "Dass die Russen jetzt die Konfrontation auslösen durch die Verletzung des Luftraums, darf einen ja nicht darüber hinwegtäuschen, dass auch die Türkei dort in diesem Konflikt eine schwierige Rolle spielt."

Thanks, you've reminded me how crappy my german was... I'm still trying to decipher it... I'll come back and comment on that

On what do you trust? Even if Russia don't attack you direct, they can hurt you much. They can focus their attacks on turkmens and support PKK with much weapon. All legal. More or less.

Half of the NATO including USA supplied PKK in the past... we have such lovely allies We'll consider Russia an ally too. All is well

 

[Hurshid Celebi]

What did she said ? From google translate, i understand that she blamed Turkey ?

He said, that fat a...hole, the only partner in that region YOU CAN NOT TRUST is not Russia but TURKEY ;

what an as...hole;

we should stick German Milans in PKK's hand in his fat a..ss

 

[-SINAN-]

On what do you trust? Even if Russia don't attack you direct, they can hurt you much. They can focus their attacks on turkmens and support PKK with much weapon. All legal. More or less.

They will attack Turkmen's with what ? They are using their airforce in Syria and most of the Turkmens are near the Turkish border. I don't think Russia would fly it's jets near to Turkish border anytime soon.

PKK is on the Nortthern Iraq...at best they can give some Kornets...We are not operating tanks in the operations in south-eastern Turkey. They might target some convoys but they are doing the same thing with IEDs. More over presence of PKK in the county and in the mountains are diminished. If Russia supplies PKK w,th advanced weaponary, we can do the same thing for the rebel forces in Syria.

 

[Bismarck]

We are quiet relaxed over here....

What did she said ? From google translate, i understand that she blamed Turkey ?

In short: HE said, Turkey is a unpredictable 'player', which is confirmed by different countrys (don't know which countrys or groups he means).

What did she said ? From google translate, i understand that she blamed Turkey ?

In short:

He said turkey is a unpredictable partner which was confirmed by some country's in that region. Also, Turkey play a difficult role in that game. More than this. They trust Russian more than Turkey.

They will attack Turkmen's with what ? They are using their airforce in Syria and most of the Turkmens are near the Turkish border. I don't think Russia would fly it's jets near to Turkish border anytime soon.

PKK is on the Nortthern Iraq...at best they can give some Kornets...We are not operating tanks in the operations in south-eastern Turkey. They might target some convoys but they are doing the same thing with IEDs. More over presence of PKK in the county and in the mountains are diminished. If Russia supplies PKK w,th advanced weaponary, we can do the same thing for the rebel forces in Syria.

They can use cruise missiles like they do currently. About PKK, next to ATM they can give some AAM too.

 

[Hurshid Celebi]

They will attack Turkmen's with what ? They are using their airforce in Syria and most of the Turkmens are near the Turkish border. I don't think Russia would fly it's jets near to Turkish border anytime soon.

PKK is on the Nortthern Iraq...at best they can give some Kornets...We are not operating tanks in the operations in south-eastern Turkey. They might target some convoys but they are doing the same thing with IEDs. More over presence of PKK in the county and in the mountains are diminished. If Russia supplies PKK w,th advanced weaponary, we can do the same thing for the rebel forces in Syria.

And Caucasia

 

[LegionnairE]

They can use cruise missiles like they do currently. About PKK, next to ATM they can give some AAM too.

Greece already did it... A Turkish AH1W Super Cobra was downed by a strela missile given to PKK by Greece during 2008 "Operation Sun"

So yeah, we've really got nothing to worry about.

He said turkey is a unpredictable partner which was confirmed by some country's in that region. Also, Turkey play a difficult role in that game. More than this. They trust Russian more than Turkey.

Well, he's stupid if he trusts Russia more than Turkey

 

[Hurshid Celebi]

Turkey shoots down "Russian Jet" near border | Page 88

A Turkish AH1W Super Cobra was downed by a strela missile given to PKK by Greece

Greece suffered after that.
I saw with my own eyes that a wreck of an Turkish F-16 was transported with a Turkish truck from Greek Alexandropolis AB via Kapikule to Ankara. Thats 1000 % true.
We had many real fights, that were hided from Media.

 

[LegionnairE]

maybe the russians should have invested in better navigation systems and this wouldn't happen
Check Out The Walmart-Grade GPS Systems In These Russian Attack Jets

 

[Amun]

Despite demands from France's Hollande, America's Obama, and NATO's Stoltenberg that this situation not esclate, it appears Putin is not taking the shooting down of a fighter jet lying down. The seemingly cagey confirmation by NATO and Obama of Turkey's claims that Russia invaded its airspace has been rebuked byRussia which claims the Hmeimim airbase radar shows the attacking Turkish plane violating Syrian airspace. In response, Russia is moving a Cruiser 'Moskva' off the coast to strengthen air-defenses - just as French and US carriers are on their way.

Here is The Turkish version mapping of the flight paths.




Russia claims otherwise:

• HMEIMIM AIRBASE'S RADAR SYSTEM RECORDS VIOLATION OF SYRIAN AIRSPACE BY ATTACKING TURKISH WARPLANE - RUSSIAN DEFENSE MINISTRY

And is escalating:

• RUSSIAN 'MOSKVA" CRUISER TO GO TO AREA IN COASTAL LATAKIA TO STRENGTHEN AIR DEFENSE IN SYRIA - RUSSIAN DEFENSE MINISTRY

The Missile cruiser in question:



The reason for the deployment:

• RUSSIAN ARMED FORCES GENERAL STAFF: NONE OF OUR PARTNERS, COUNTRIES FIGHTING ISIL HAVE EVER TOLD US THAT SO-CALLED MODERATE OPPOSITION UNITS WERE IN AREA WHERE SU-24 DOWNED
• NO ATTEMPTS REGISTERED ON PART OF TURKISH PLANE TO GET IN TOUCH OR ESTABLISH VISUAL CONTACT WITH OUR CREW VIA OBJECTVE CONTROL DEVICES - RUSSIAN DEFENSE MINSTRY
• WARSHIP TO DESTROY ANY THREATS SEEN TO RUSSIAN PLANES: IFX

Specifically, as RT reports, the steps announced by Russian top brass as the following:Three steps as announced by top brass:

1. Each and every strike groups’ operation is to be carried out under the guise of fighter jets
2. Air defense to be boosted with the deployment of Moskva guided missile cruiser off Latakia coast with an aim to destroy any target that may pose danger
3. Military contacts with Turkey to be suspended

Just like the downing of flight MH17 over Ukraine, it has quickly become a case of "he said, she said":

Rudskoy said the Russian warplane did not violate Turkish airspace. Additionally, according to the Hmeymim airfield radar, it was the Turkish fighter jet that actually entered Syrian airspace as it attacked the Russian bomber. The Turkish fighter jet made no attempts to contact Russian pilots before attacking the bomber, Rudskoy added.

“We assume the strike was carried out with a close range missile with an infra-red seeker,” Rudskoy said. “The Turkish jet made no attempts to communicate or establish visual contact with our crew that our equipment would have registered. The Su-24 was hit by a missile over Syria’s territory."

Sergey Rudskoy, a top official with the Russian General Staff, condemned the attack on the Russian bomber in Syrian airspace by a Turkish fighter jet as “a severe violation of international law”. He stressed that the Su-24 was downed over the Syrian territory. The crash site was four kilometers away from the Turkish border, he said.

As a result, Russia now plans to implement new measures aimed at strengthening the security of the country’s air base in Syria and in particular to bolster air defense. Russian guided missile cruiser Moskva, equipped with the ‘Fort’ air defense system, similar to the S-300, will be deployed off Latakia province's coast.

"We warn that every target posing a potential threat will be destroyed,” lieutenant general Sergey Rudskoy said during the briefing.

“All military contacts with Turkey will be suspended,” he added.

Furthermore, as the Russian Ministry of Defense explained, going forward, any Turkish plane that enters Syrian airspace will be fair game.

#SYRIA #Rudskoy Russian Defence Ministry warns that all the potentially dangerous targets will be destroyed