The Conflict in Syria as it Relates to Turkey | Updates & Discussions

[-SINAN-]

Sinan, guneydogu´da kimler yasar? Kuzey Suriye'de kimler yasar? Cevap vermene gerekmez.

PYD wil never posses a threat against Turkey.... you can't compare their strenght with Turkish army...it will be like comparing a bug to an elephant.

 

[IR-TR]

PYD wil never posses a threat against Turkey.... you can't compare their strenght with Turkish army...it will be like comparing a bug to an elephant.

Sinan, I'm not trying to be ayip, but how old are you? You can't simply compare military strenght. Are you serious? Have you got ANY idea what the real world looks like? When talking about an insurgency? Do you know those 1-2 million Kurds will BURN Istanbul if Turkey comes down hard on the border regions? Do you know the West will start screaming within ONE second how Turkey is commiting 'genocide/racism' etc if Turkey were to defend itself? Do you know the vast majority of foreign trade and investments come from the EU? Do you know how they could punish Turkey if we started fighting against the terrorists? Do you know how Turkey threatened Assad's dad for YEARS to give up a single fat f-ing peace of sh!t, while Assad didn't even really 'control' that region. Do you know how much harder that becomes when they have de facto independence in northern Syria? Let's just say that the 30 year conflict insn't even possible today. So tread VERY carefully when you make assumptions. Turkey's military might be stronger than ever, but let me tell you, the only country we are allowed to use that against, is Russia in a possible future conflict or at best Iran. Nobody else. 'They' wont allow it, and don't think Turkey can just decide to act on it's own in these matters. I wish that were the case.

 

[-SINAN-]

Sinan, I'm not trying to be ayip, but how old are you? You can't simply compare military strenght. Are you serious? Have you got ANY idea what the real world looks like? When talking about an insurgency?

Infact you are acting like a child in every thread while speaking to people that you don't agree with.... People have different ideas, arguments than each other, you don't need to be so offensive.

Do you know those 1-2 million Kurds will BURN Istanbul if Turkey comes down hard on the border regions?

No such thing will happen. Did Kurds burned downed Istanbul in 90s ? Turkey is not your avarage ME state.

? Do you know the West will start screaming within ONE second how Turkey is commiting 'genocide/racism' etc if Turkey were to defend itself?

I don't care what they say, we didn't also care about what they say in the past.

Do you know the vast majority of foreign trade and investments come from the EU? Do you know how they could punish Turkey if we started fighting against the terrorists?

Believe I know much more about Turkey than you. And no they can't do shit as it would hurt them also...they didn't done shit when we Invaded Cyprus and they would do for some terrorrist ??? Poor reasoning.

o you know how Turkey threatened Assad's dad for YEARS to give up a single fat f-ing peace of sh!t, while Assad didn't even really 'control' that region.

Irrelevant with the subject.

Do you know how much harder that becomes when they have de facto independence in northern Syria? Let's just say that the 30 year conflict insn't even possible today. So tread VERY carefully when you make assumptions. Turkey's military might be stronger than ever, but let me tell you, the only country we are allowed to use that against, is Russia in a possible future conflict or at best Iran. Nobody else. 'They' wont allow it, and don't think Turkey can just decide to act on it's own in these matters. I wish that were the case.

You are looking to matter with your Iranic eyes... Turkey won't be able to defend itself because we are not giving these decisions huh ???

Typical Iranian answer.

 

[IR-TR]

Infact you are acting like a child in every thread while speaking to people that you don't agree with.... People have different ideas, arguments than each other, you don't need to be so offensive.


No such thing will happen. Did Kurds burned downed Istanbul in 90s ? Turkey is not your avarage ME state.


I don't care what they say, we didn't also care about what they say in the past.


Believe I know much more about Turkey than you. And no they can't do shit as it would hurt them also...they didn't done shit when we Invaded Cyprus and they would do for some terrorrist ??? Poor reasoning.


Irrelevant with the subject.


You are looking to matter with your Iranic eyes... Turkey won't be able to defend itself because we are not giving these decisions huh ???

Typical Iranian answer.

There were no 1-2 million Kurds in Istanbul during the 90s. What happened when Turkey didn't help in Kobani? And that's just not helping. Let alone what would happen if Turkey attacked the YPG.
Turkey's economy was a lot less intertwined with Europe's back then. Heck, European economies weren't even intertwined with one and another.
In the 70's there was no EU. There was very little trade. And hurting the EU as much as Turkey? Extremely doubtful. It's like Malaysia trying to boycott China, see how that ends up. Besides, the West has financial tools like ratings agencies. They can destroy Turkey's economy in a week. In fact, they can destroy most economies in a week.
Hafez Assad is not irrelevant. See, if even Hafez Assad was harboring the PKK, guess what a YPG-controlled northern syria would harbor.

 

[unleashed]

That's an act of war.
This is sneaky style.

Killing innocents with sneaky style.

 

[-SINAN-]

There were no 1-2 million Kurds in Istanbul during the 90s.

There were.

What happened when Turkey didn't help in Kobani?

Protests.

And that's just not helping. Let alone what would happen if Turkey attacked the YPG.

Lol...mate state even survived Gezi protests....

Turkey's economy was a lot less intertwined with Europe's back then. Heck, European economies weren't even intertwined with one and another.
In the 70's there was no EU. There was very little trade. And hurting the EU as much as Turkey? Extremely doubtful. It's like Malaysia trying to boycott China, see how that ends up. Besides, the West has financial tools like ratings agencies. They can destroy Turkey's economy in a week. In fact, they can destroy most economies in a week.

Disagreeing....What you are saying is so absurd that i don't wish to discuss.

Hafez Assad is not irrelevant. See, if even Hafez Assad was harboring the PKK, guess what a YPG-controlled northern syria would harbor.

PKK's operation area was Northern-Iraq...however Assad harbored Ocalan...YPG could harbor nothing..and they many times said they don't posses any threat against Turkey.

Turkey can destroy YPG in less than one month.....and you say we can't BECAUSE EU won't let us. I say we don't give a fvck about EU as we showed in Cyprus. You say they can destroy Turkey's economy in one week. I say what you are saying about the economy is absurd and don't wish to discuss any further.

Case closed.

 

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Turkey: Police detain 21 suspected Daesh members

Police carry out raids across four provinces, including Istanbul

ISTANBUL

Turkish police raided a number of addresses in four provinces early Friday morning as part of operations against suspected Daesh militants.

According to the security forces, police detained 21 Daesh suspects – including three foreigners – during separate operations which were carried out in Istanbul, Kocaeli and the southern provinces of Mersin and Sanliurfa.

According to local media, Turkish police had a list of 30 Daesh suspects in Istanbul; one of the operations was carried out amid tight security in the city’s working-class Gaziosmanpasa district.

Two automatic rifles, a large number of ammunition, organizational documents and military uniforms were seized in the raids; the three foreign suspects were reportedly preparing to go to Syria.

Detainees were taken to police headquarters in the various provinces after health checks.

Hundreds of people from European countries have reportedly gone to Syria and Iraq to join Daesh, which declared a so-called ‘caliphate’ in June 2014.

A number of massacres perpetrated by Daesh last year – along with the forced deportation of minority populations from areas under its control – led to the establishment of a U.S.-led international coalition last September to combat the extremist group.


Turkey: Police detain 21 suspected Daesh members Anadolu Agency

 

[Hurshid Celebi]

@Sinan

Unfortunately the contribution in the Forum is weak and I think about not writing so frequent, it looks like flood. I was used to see much more participation in the past and somewhere. Seniors and Juniors participated so much, that even some subversive and hostile elements from all sides, were realy scared how Turkish Society could be mobilized and motivated and of course enlightened. Come on guys... a bit more effort. Maybe tomorrow is too late.
Tatoos and and pigtails are not the suited way to demonstrate awarenes and intellect.

@ IR-TR And a few words to you Mr. Popaganda Minister of Iran or someone else, I believe for my opinion.

If current government hadn't 2003 left the actice struggle against subversive elements, PKK and F. movement and others; we would have been at an other Point. Don't worry, if someone tries to burn Istanbul you will be scared what will happen.

 

[-SINAN-]

Unfortunately the contribution in the Forum is weak and I think about not writing so frequent, it looks like flood. I was used to see much more participation in the past and somewhere. Seniors and Juniors participated so much, that even some subversive and hostile elements from all sides, were realy scared how Turkish Society could be mobilized and motivated and of course enlightened. Come on guys... a bit more effort. Maybe tomorrow is too late.
Tatoos and and pigtails are not the suited way to demonstrate awarenes and intellect.

What's the problem bro, didn't understand ?

Are you talking about countering foreigners in various threads ?

 

[Hurshid Celebi]

What's the problem bro, didn't understand ?

Are you talking about countering foreigners in various threads ?

Yes exact, I visited their threads and saw their participation, unbelievable high.

 

[Abii]

@Sinan


@ IR-TR And a few words to you Mr. Popaganda Minister of Iran or someone else, I believe for my opinion.

If current government hadn't 2003 left the actice struggle against subversive elements, PKK and F. movement and others; we would have been at an other Point. Don't worry, if someone tries to burn Istanbul you will be scared what will happen.

That buffoon can't even read or write the official language of Iran. He's some kid with an identity crisis. He's also only half Iranian. Absolute clown.

 

[-SINAN-]

Yes exact, I visited their threads and saw their participation, unbelievable high.

You are right bro... Not long ago. People became wary of the Turkish users of the PDF. As they know that if the say something negative about Turkey and/or we would pour into thread and suppress them.

Say you what....i was following PDF while i was banned, i saw many negative posts about Turkey....if you ever see such a post, just tag me. I wanna be more active from now on.

 

[[TR]AHMET]

guys just read it (in Turkish)
Bi Simit : Büyük İsrail Mi Büyük Türkiye mi ? • Tarihi gerçeklerle herkes yüzleşmelidir

 

[bsruzm]

This is what one of the Syrian members posted yesterday:

''Leaflet dropped on Raqqa by U.S. led coalition; shows 2 YPG fighters, an FSA fighter, and a YPJ fighter (I'm assuming because the fighter is a female.) What's written on the path is "Freedom will rise/shine.''
Also what's interesting to note: YPG/YPJ seem to be armed with AKs and armored vests only, while the FSA fighter is armed with an M4 and a combat helmet, which is ironic since YPG has received more support.''

In Suruç bombing, people were chanting that 'From Arin to Sibel, we are walking through victory'
Arin: Arin Mirkan, YPG' female suicide bomber who exploded herself in Ain al Arab.
Sibel: Sibel Bulut was a member of the Marxist–Leninist Communist Party (MLKP) who had joined with the YPG and YPJ, was another suicide bomber who exploded herself in Ain al Arab.
Such a bloody picture, could be more than a propaganda leaflet of coalition... .
Group of people who died in the bombing were also supported by 'ESP' which group was extremely active during Gezi protests:

People who live in Ankara easily will recognize this group, they often form a stand in Karanfil and collect signatures for 'İmralı'ya özgürlük' then group once made it to news beating the few members of 'Gökbörü Türkçüler Derneği' for collecting signatures to recognize 'Hocalı' as genocide, during their clash, a group of a hundred ESP (people?) were chanting all of us are Armenians.

For example:
''Suruç'taki hain saldırıda 32 kişi hayatını kaybetmişti. O intihar saldırısında can verenlerden birisi de İstanbul Üniversitesi İletişim Fakültesi öğrencisi Büşra Mete idi. Büşra Mete'nin cenazesi dün akşam ailesi tarafından teslim alındı ve defnedildi. Genç kızın ailesi, Ezilenlerin Sosyalist Partisi'nin(ESP) cenaze üzerinde propaganda ve provokasyon yapmasının önüne geçmek için cenazeyi kendisi aldı ve defnetti. Ailenin bu tutumuna tepki gösteren ESP, ailenin bu tavrının nedeninin polis baskısı olduğu yalanını servis etti. Bazı medya organları ve internet siteleri de bu iddiayı haber yaptı.

CENAZEMİZİ PROPAGANDA YAPMASINLAR DİYE BİZ ALDIK

Haber10, acılı aileye ulaştı, Büşra Mete'nin dayısıyla Oğuz Atilla ile konuştu. Yazılanların gerçekle bir alakası olmadığını belirten Oğuz Atilla, Haber10'a özel şu açıklamalarda bulundu: "Yazılanlar kesinlikle yalan! Biz cenazemizi terörist grupların elinden kaçırdık. Sırf onlar propaganda yapmasın, prim yapmasın diye aldık cenazemizi. Benim cenazem var, acım var... Onlar 'Benim şehidim' diye propaganda yapıyor. Ölüm üzerinden kendi propagandasını yapıyor. Gelip bir Fatiha okumaları gerekirken dertleri propaganda yapmak. Dinimizce caiz olan gelip Fatiha okumak, taziyede bulunmaktır, alkışlamak değil! Bizde alkışlamak yok! Bizim ailemizdeki insanlar namazında, niyazında... Demek ki kızımızı kandırmışlar. Televizyonda görüyorduk, insanlar 'benim oğlum dağa kaçırıldı' diye... Demek ki çıkarılıyormuş, kaçırılıyormuş... Demek ki kandırılıyormuş... Annesi, babası... Hepimiz yıkıldık. Çok zor bir şey... Allah düşmanımın başına vermesin.

POLİS BASKISI DİYE BİR ŞEY YOK

O yazılanlar yalan. Kesinlikle polis baskısı diye bir şey söz konusu değil. Emniyet Teşkilatı ile hiçbir sorunumuz olmadı. Bize çok iyi davrandılar, her türlü yardımda bulundular. Allah hepsinden razı olsun.

O haberleri yazanlardan hiç kimse gelip de bize bir şey sormadı. Böyle bir şey oldu mu diye gelen olmadı. Kendi kafalarına göre uydurmuşlar.

Kızımız Büşra için bir de hayali site mi sayfa mı ne açmışlar. Biz onun kapatılması için de başvuruda bulunduk.'' (In this news, family of the girl who died in Suruç bombing blames and condemns pro-terrorist (Kurdish) group and accuses them of pro-terrorist propaganda in her funeral) Sorry for Turkish...

American embassy strangely points at ISIS on Suruç bombing who has no influence in Turkey and who hasn't claimed any responsibility:
'ISIS is the one who to blame on this act of terror, everybody should focus on ISIS'
And strangely it seems like a try to cover very possible (American or) PKK fingerprints on Suruç bombing...

Suruç'ta asıl hedeflenen plan deşifre oldu - GÜNCEL Haberleri



Then another one posted by an Israeli one:

''Analyzed U.S. led coalition strikes data:

4273 strikes total

over 2000 strikes in support of Kurds (PYD)vs. ISIS
over 1000 strikes in support of Iraqi Shias vs. ISIS
~ 500 strikes in support of Assad vs. ISIS
~ 50 strikes in support of Assad vs. rebels
less than 50 strikes in support of rebels vs. ISIS
0 strikes in in support of rebels vs. Assad''
Additionally some say 4.000 Americans fight alongside YPG on the ground.

 

[Hurshid Celebi]

@Bismarck

Almost 40000 refugees try to walk to Bulgaria and Greece. Turkish Police tries to stop them and transport them to refugee camps again . They refuse !