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The Coming Collapse of China: 2016 Edition

China will rise so let us work together and enjoy prosperous future together
Will rise??? China is already rising rapidly and has been on the rise for a long time. We are simply returning back to the stage as the world's biggest economy. I said it many times in regards to how Japan wants to improve relations with China depends on your politicians. Piss us off and we will slap you guys in the face until you guys crawl back for restoring ties. The overlord is back and it's carrying a very big stick.
 
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Geez...Gordon Chang writes a book in 2001 and suddenly everybody thinks it topped the New York Times's best seller list (and is on a coffee table next to a picture of Mao)

You are giving him way too much credit. It's ranked #502,211 on Amazon.

Did it even make the top 100? I can't even find a position.
The New York Times Non-Fiction Best Sellers of 2001 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The New York Times Non-Fiction Best Sellers of 2002 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Amazon.com Best Sellers of 2001 in Books

Amazon.com Best Sellers of 2002 in Books

All your "America loves Gordon Chang" is simply weird.

It big issue to Chinese since the China people consider him Hanjian, or race traitor.

In Japan no one knows that Chinese fly.

Will rise??? China is already rising rapidly and has been on the rise for a long time. We are simply returning back to the stage as the world's biggest economy. I said it many times in regards to how Japan wants to improve relations with China depends on your politicians. Piss us off and we will slap you guys in the face until you guys crawl back for restoring ties. The overlord is back and it's carrying a very big stick.

Overlord? Hardly.
 
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Overlord? Hardly.

Japanese never learn do they? :lol: , no matter how long it takes for China to become a fully developed nation nobody can challenge us not even your American overlord. Japan will learn to accommodate China one way or the other, that's all you have to know. Japan is a China wannabe and it will always be that way, better get used to it the Middle Kingdom is making a big comeback.
 
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Japanese never learn do they? :lol: , no matter how long it takes for China to become a fully developed nation nobody can challenge us not even your American overlord. Japan will learn to accommodate China one way or the other, that's all you have to know. Japan is a China wannabe and it will always be that way, better get used to it the Middle Kingdom is making a big comeback.

Typically you talk too much. You remind me of that one Chinese man in 血滴子 who kill many fly with strike and say he kill men not fly. Too bad he got his head cut off by 血滴子. Moral of story, don't talk big when you only swat fly.

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Last Monday, at the conclusion of China’s closed-door Central Economic Work Conference, Beijing’s public relations machine went into high gear to show that the country’s leaders had come up with a viable plan to rescue the economy.

Unfortunately, they do not now have such a plan. In reality, they decided to continue strategies that both created China’s current predicament and failed this year to restart growth

The severity of China’s economic problems—and the inability to implement long-term solutions—mean almost all geopolitical assumptions about tomorrow are wrong. Virtually everyone today sees China as a major power in the future. Yet the country’s extraordinary economic difficulties will result in a collapse or a long-term decline, and either outcome suggests China will return to the ranks of weak states.

As an initial matter, China’s current situation is far worse than the official National Bureau of Statistics reports. The NBS maintains that the country’s gross domestic product rose 6.9 percent during the third calendar quarter of this year after increases of 7.0 percent during each of the first two quarters.

Willem Buiter, Citigroup’s chief economist, a few months ago suggested the rate was closer to 4 percent, and growth could be as low as the 2.2 percent that people in Beijing were privately talking about mid-year. The most reliable indicator of Chinese economic activity remains the consumption of electricity, and for the first eleven months of the year electricity consumption increased by only 0.7 percent according to China’s National Energy Administration.

Other statistics confirm extremely slow growth. For instance, imports, a sign of both manufacturing and consumption trends, fell 8.7 percent in November in dollar terms, marking a record thirteen straight months of decline. Exports were down 6.8 percent, the fifth straight month in the red.

Especially disturbing is price data. In Q3, nominal GDP growth of 6.2 percent was less than the officially reported real growth of 6.9 percent. China, therefore, looks like it is now caught in the deflationary trap of falling prices. Deflation, in turn, suggests a 1930s-style crash is increasingly possible. China has too much debt—perhaps as much as 350 percent of GDP at the moment—which becomes impossible to service in an era of rapidly declining prices. The country over the last year has seen a number of “first” defaults. So far, the central and provincial authorities have managed rescues for many of the obligors, but at some point they will have no choice but to let failing borrowers go under in far greater numbers.

In these circumstances, the best case scenario for China is several decades of recession or recession-like stagnation, much like Japan experienced in the 1990s and the first decade of this century. China’s leaders won’t say the goal of the just-completed Work Conference was to avoid the sudden adjustment of a collapse, but that appears to be the case.

To their credit, however, Beijing has been more candid in recent days. “The economy will follow an L-shaped path, and it won’t be a V-shaped path going forward,” said “a senior Chinese official with direct knowledge of the meeting” to the Wall Street Journal, indicating growth rates will not recover soon.

Chinese technocrats see consumption saving the economy, but that’s unlikely to be the case. Consumer demand is not high, despite what unnamed officials told the media at the conclusion of the Work Conference. Indicators, such as the corporate earnings of retailers and consumer products companies, paint a picture of spending in China growing at an anemic pace.

At the same time, manufacturing, the heart of the economy for decades, looks like it is contracting quickly, and services growth, despite official numbers, is low. Both these developments have implications for consumption. In China, consumption has been the result of growth, not the cause of it, and it is unlikely spending can power the economy on its own for long.

Beijing’s technocrats say observers should not be concerned by the overall picture. “A lot of countries always worry about the slowing down of the Chinese economy and they worry about a lack of policy stimulus in China,” said “a senior Chinese policy official familiar with the planning” to the Financial Times. “This worry is unwarranted because fiscal and monetary policy—and other policies—will still be quite accommodative compared to the other major economies.”

There are two principal things wrong with the statement from the insider official. First, only reform offers China sustainable growth, but Beijing is opting for stimulus instead. Accordingly, China is about to embark on another debt binge. As Chen Long of Gavekal Dragonomics told the Financial Times, the central government will take on larger fiscal deficits and permit lower-tier governments to dive even deeper into bonds. At the same time, said Long, local government finance vehicles “will be allowed to borrow at full speed.”

Stimulus, at this late stage, will go into unproductive investment just as it did after the last credit splurge, which then-premier Wen Jiabao authorized at the end of 2008. And the problem has grown worse over time. In 2007, each dollar of new credit added 83 cents of output. By 2013, that figure had dropped to 17 cents, and now it is probably even less.

The efficiency of investment is important because new obligations must eventually be paid back. So Beijing, in effect, is buying growth by making its critical debt problem even worse. Yes, building another “ghost city” creates gross domestic product during construction, but such a project just drags down the economy from the moment the workers pack up their tools.

Second, Beijing’s stimulus has not been working for more than a year. For instance, six reductions in benchmark interest rates since November of last year and five reductions of the bank reserve-requirement ratio since February have had no noticeable effect. This monetary stimulus has been unproductive because there has been a lack of demand for money. Central government technocrats have been busy creating cash—M2, the broad gauge of money supply, was up 13.5 percent in October and a 17-month high of 13.7 percent last month—but few see a need for it. So creating money this year has not in fact resulted in growth.

And the same can also be said for fiscal stimulus. Fiscal spending, a good measure of the government’s overall stimulative efforts, has accelerated as the year has progressed, now reaching fantastic numbers, up 25.9 percent in August, 26.9 percent in September, 36.1 percent in October and 25.9 percent last month. For the first eleven months, such spending rose 18.9 percent while revenue increased only 8 percent.

Chinese officials can promise more fiscal and monetary stimulus, but it’s hard to see how any of the pump priming will change the downward momentum.

The Chinese people have not been buying what their government has been saying about the economy. How do we know this? They have been taking their money out of the country as fast as they can. In Q3, there was $460.6 billion of net capital outflow, as documented by Bloomberg.

Bloomberg reports the outflow in October was $62 billion. Beijing was able to slow the flood that month by imposing informal capital controls on top of its official array of barriers. Last month, however, the outflow appears to have picked up from October as foreign exchange reserves fell by an officially reported $87.2 billion—and perhaps the decline was larger as Beijing has in the second half of the year been underreporting the reductions in its reserves. No economy—not even one the size of China’s—can survive outflows of this dimension.

The Chinese economy has never made sense, but confidence, both inside and outside the country, held it together. Now, the confidence is disappearing fast, and Beijing does not know how to get it back, except by repackaging solutions that have not worked. China’s technocratic leaders cannot change the downward direction of their economy. The most they can do now is slow the rate of descent with policies that will likely make the ultimate reckoning even worse.

And it is no secret why Beijing is opting for short-term fixes. China’s economy is now too fragile to withstand the wrenching change that would result from the structural reforms that are necessary for long-term expansion.

And that brings us to the world’s most fundamental misconception. China, most analysts think, will dominate the international system for the rest of this century. Yet whether the economy’s downturn is a crash or a long period of decline, Beijing’s diplomats soon will not be able to afford to make promised investments abroad, fulfill aid commitments or write-off debts, all things that buy geopolitical influence for a regime that cannot export its ideals. Chinese generals and admirals will not have the cash to build or buy the aircraft carriers, submarines, satellites, and moon bases they now contemplate. Civilian officials will not be in the position to provide needed services at home.

China’s rise, in short, will be cut off, and Chinese dominance of the region and the international system, something analysts say is inevitable, will have to wait at least decades.

The economy, as all know, has been central to China’s rise. After all, it allowed telecom entrepreneur Wang Jing to announce the building of a canal three times longer than the one in Panama, across Nicaragua. He also planned two deep-water ports, an airport, an artificial lake, a tourist area, a free-trade zone, roads and factories. His closely held vehicle already received an initial 50-year concession from Daniel Ortega’s government and had planned to start construction sometime during the next calendar quarter.

That grand project, however, is now on hold because China’s stock market crash, beginning in mid-June, resulted in the loss of most of Wang’s net worth. Wang may still harbor grand ambitions, but now he has no means to achieve them.

China’s brassy leaders also think big, but soon their dreams will be beyond their grasp as well. In all likelihood, the fate of their plans tomorrow will mirror Wang’s today.

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author bio

Gordon G. Chang is the author of Nuclear Showdown: North Korea Takes On the World, released by Random House in January 2006.Showdown focuses on nuclear proliferation in general and the North Korean crisis in particular. His first book is The Coming Collapse of China (Random House, August 2001)


NOT HAPPENING. Just another meaningless and delusional opinion on the web.
 
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Typically you talk too much. You remind me of that one Chinese man in 血滴子 who kill many fly with strike and say he kill men not fly. Too bad he got his head cut off by 血滴子. Moral of story, don't talk big when you only swat fly.

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:lol: it's okay we have been underestimated many times, the lessons will be painful when you come to the realization that messing with China proof to be a big mistake. Japan is merely a puppet and your American overlord is pulling the strings, first try to separate the strings before talking tough. And no China does not swat flies, that's your job with your chopsticks. China use its big sticks for big diplomacy got it?
 
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:lol: it's okay we have been underestimated many times, the lessons will be painful when you come to the realization that messing with China proof to be a big mistake. Japan is merely a puppet and your American overlord is pulling the strings, first try to separate the strings before talking tough. And no China does not swat flies, that's your job with your chopsticks. China use its big sticks for big diplomacy got it?

China is cool, no problem guy. But too arrogant talk not gonna get Japanese to side with you. Like I said learn from 血滴子.
 
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China is cool, no problem guy. But too arrogant talk not gonna get Japanese to side with you. Like I said learn from 血滴子.

That's right learn to respect China, in the future we will be your new overlord replacing the Americans. You should be thankful you won't have to listen to the Americans :rofl:. That's a f*cking humiliation for the East Asian race.
 
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Gordon chang is a good patriot of China CPC. He continue to misled the American about China fall theory. Yet the American are always so dumb to believe him. Gordon Chang is given a sacred mission to make American let off guard so that China can secretly overtake US as largest world economy power to deal the American the fatal blow. The Americans will not even know what kills them :lol:
Fatal blow? China's economy is 3-4 times the size of countries like France, UK, Japan and nearly 11 times the size of Russia and you still haven't gained technological or power projection overmatch against them. An you think you can deal a 'fatal blow' to the United States? The ultimate symbol of power is the ability to project it. Since the end of world war 2 the United States has developed an economic, military, and alliance system to project power anywhere on the planet. We've already achieved this capability. China having a large economy will not deal a 'fatal blow' to the United States. China will not collapse, but China's economy will be in steady decline over the mid to long term. We've already seen this decline over the last five years. An as China's current economic model is exhausted and major demographic issues settle in over the next couple decades that decline will become even more pronounced. China is facing significant economic stressors in its future, so to think China will become an overlord and deal a 'fatal blow' to the U.S. Is laughable. China doesn't have the overmatch capability to deny our power projection in the world. We're actually increasing our presence on your periphery right now due to your own recklessness. You and the Chinese PDF platoon can keep deluding yourselves all you want, it won't change those facts.
 
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Fatal blow? China's economy is 3-4 times the size of countries like France, UK, Japan and nearly 11 times the size of Russia and you still haven't gained technological or power projection overmatch against them. An you think you can deal a 'fatal blow' to the United States? The ultimate symbol of power is the ability to project it. Since the end of world war 2 the United States has developed an economic, military, and alliance system to project power anywhere on the planet. We've already achieved this capability. China having a large economy will not deal a 'fatal blow' to the United States. China will not collapse, but China's economy will be in steady decline over the mid to long term. We've already seen this decline over the last five years. An as China's current economic model is exhausted and major demographic issues settle in over the next couple decades that decline will become even more pronounced. China is facing significant economic stressors in its future, so to think China will become an overlord and deal a 'fatal blow' to the U.S. Is laughable. China doesn't have the overmatch capability to deny our power projection in the world. We're actually increasing our presence on your periphery right now due to your own recklessness. You and the Chinese PDF platoon can keep deluding yourselves all you want, it won't change those facts.

LOL the US has been in decline since the 2008 crash. China has replaced the US in numerous categories and ended American monopolies.

The US regime propaganda apparatus have been working hard to distract from its own decline but the American people see they are getting poorer which is why guys like Trump and Sanders are popular.

US can't even stop China from constructing artificial islands in the SCS. Proof of American decline right there.

Technological power comes from having money. China is now starting to transform that money into tevhnogical capability. Technological catchup can be done by inventing, buying, copying or hacking. China is using all methods available to catch up technologically. Technology gap is the main advantage the US has right now. To have military power you need to combine money and technology. China has the money advantage due to its size and once that technology gap is closed, US is finished.

The US will continue its rapid decline with each passing year and as Chinese power increases, American monopoly positions will be ended which will merely accelerate the demise of the US. Last thing the US wants is to have its monopoly positions ended. It reduces leverage. The best the US can do is to manage its decline. Yahoos like yourself can wave the flag all you want, you won't be able to halt the rapid decline of the US.
 
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LOL the US has been in decline since the 2008 crash. China has replaced the US in numerous categories and ended American monopolies.

The US regime propaganda apparatus have been working hard to distract from its own decline but the American people see they are getting poorer which is why guys like Trump and Sanders are popular.

US can't even stop China from constructing artificial islands in the SCS. Proof of American decline right there.

Technological power comes from having money. China is now starting to transform that money into tevhnogical capability. Technological catchup can be done by inventing, buying, copying or hacking. China is using all methods available to catch up technologically. Technology gap is the main advantage the US has right now. To have military power you need to combine money and technology. China has the money advantage due to its size and once that technology gap is closed, US is finished.

The US will continue its rapid decline with each passing year and as Chinese power increases, American monopoly positions will be ended which will merely accelerate the demise of the US. Last thing the US wants is to have its monopoly positions ended. It reduces leverage. The best the US can do is to manage its decline. Yahoos like yourself can wave the flag all you want, you won't be able to halt the rapid decline of the US.

Another important factor is manpower which China does not lack of. The poor dude keeps yelling about US global power projection. Geez I don't see US military power projection in Georgia, Ukraine and Crimea. As a matter of fact the US were gonna bomb DPRK's nuclear facility and Kerry announced to the press stuttering that US might have made the matter worse after US intelligence saw massive PLA deployment near the border, since then all noise about bombing DPRK's facility vanished. So much for global power projection, what a pathetic world no. 1 power that is. The Americans only dare wage wars against the weak nations by bringing her European lackeys. Are Americans too chicken to fight on their own? I admit the Americans have the biggest Navy and Airforce but when it comes down to declaring war against Russia or China head on, Yankees know when to pretend having stomach ache and needs to go to the bathroom.
 
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LOL the US has been in decline since the 2008 crash. China has replaced the US in numerous categories and ended American monopolies.

The US regime propaganda apparatus have been working hard to distract from its own decline but the American people see they are getting poorer which is why guys like Trump and Sanders are popular.

US can't even stop China from constructing artificial islands in the SCS. Proof of American decline right there.

Technological power comes from having money. China is now starting to transform that money into tevhnogical capability. Technological catchup can be done by inventing, buying, copying or hacking. China is using all methods available to catch up technologically. Technology gap is the main advantage the US has right now. To have military power you need to combine money and technology. China has the money advantage due to its size and once that technology gap is closed, US is finished.

The US will continue its rapid decline with each passing year and as Chinese power increases, American monopoly positions will be ended which will merely accelerate the demise of the US. Last thing the US wants is to have its monopoly positions ended. It reduces leverage. The best the US can do is to manage its decline. Yahoos like yourself can wave the flag all you want, you won't be able to halt the rapid decline of the US.

As I expected, you have no tangible rebuttal to the facts I posted, but plenty of hot air. The fact of the matter is that the US can project power....anywhere.....on the globe...and right on China's periphery. Just within the last couple of months US subs popped up at Subic Bay, P-8's deployed from Singapore, and the US an Australia are finalizing bomber deployments from their soil. That's real power Beidou, and with that kind of forward presence our influence is entrenched in the region. Your playing a game of assumptions and what if's Beidou. The US already has enormous economic heft and the ability to pay for military supremacy. Our military has already initiated our Third Offset Strategy last year to further our military and technological dominance well into the future. We're spending around 3.5% of our GDP on the military, while we spent 6% during the Reagan era. We could spend upwards of a trillion dollars on our military if it was absolutely necessary. Money is not an obstacle for the United States.

As I said in my last post, China does not have the overmatch capability to deny the power projection and foreign presence of the United States. That's a fact.

Now tell me, which account will you post under now? Is it Beidou, Economic Superpower, or Hypersonicmissiles?
 
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Japanese never learn do they? :lol: , no matter how long it takes for China to become a fully developed nation nobody can challenge us not even your American overlord. Japan will learn to accommodate China one way or the other, that's all you have to know. Japan is a China wannabe and it will always be that way, better get used to it the Middle Kingdom is making a big comeback.
请你不要这么说话。。好丢脸(●—●)
说话淡定些吧。。

@Beidou2020 你也是。
 
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