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That is exactly what the sim has shown. Once the large IAF force took off, it was detected and PAF put up fighters and AD was alerted. As a result 61 IAF fighters ( of which only one was Mig-21!) were shot down while PAF lost 17. Most of the kills were by ADS. Moreover only a few SOWs were able to make through and caused only some damage to their intended targets.I understand that this is coming from a simulation...
...and that what I'm about to say is limited by my human brain which is not as capable as this simulator taking into account thousands of variables...
...but based on recent real world examples the results posted above(carrying out of airstrikes) seem a bit unrealistic. Both India and Pakistan don't yet have any extraordinary stealth capabilities. Any large scale intrusion will be detected by both countries since both of them have radars peering well into each other's territory. Even limited intrusions just recently were challenged by both sides relatively quickly. I can see some limited bombing being possible with stand off weapons...possibly using some features like mountainous terrain to mask the approach for as long as possible...
...but this is only possible at small scale. If a simultaneous bombing of forward bases is to be done...that would require deployment of a massive fleet...which would be detected by the other side far too quickly...giving them ample time to get their assets airborne.
In conclusion what I'm getting at...
...it would be more likely to see targets like hardened shelters, runways, forward bases, amunition depots, air defense batteries, radar sites being hit...in a massive air raid
...than fighter jets parked on the ground...
...at least in case of India/Pak IMO.
In any case...this is a fun undertaking...and now I'm wondering why didn't we do this on PDF before.
That is exactly what the sim has shown. Once the large IAF force took off, it was detected and PAF put up fighters and AD was alerted. As a result 61 IAF fighters ( of which only one was Mig-21!) were shot down while PAF lost 17. Most of the kills were by ADS. Moreover only a few SOWs were able to make through and caused only some damage to their intended targets.
Yes, but did you notice - was it mentioned? - what a lot of damage the Chinese rip-off of the S/300 did? I think it inflicted the greatest casualties on us.wow Bohlari, i think one of the key points to have another base in southern region was that in comparison to Masroor it was more towards inland and would had been a difficult target to achieve in case of a war
Saab and ZDK being shot down by S400, that's not that surprising as they were/are/will be prime targets but certainly alarming
A lot of people are wondering that.I understand that this is coming from a simulation...
...and that what I'm about to say is limited by my human brain which is not as capable as this simulator taking into account thousands of variables...
...but based on recent real world examples the results posted above(carrying out of airstrikes) seem a bit unrealistic. Both India and Pakistan don't yet have any extraordinary stealth capabilities. Any large scale intrusion will be detected by both countries since both of them have radars peering well into each other's territory. Even limited intrusions just recently were challenged by both sides relatively quickly. I can see some limited bombing being possible with stand off weapons...possibly using some features like mountainous terrain to mask the approach for as long as possible...
...but this is only possible at small scale. If a simultaneous bombing of forward bases is to be done...that would require deployment of a massive fleet...which would be detected by the other side far too quickly...giving them ample time to get their assets airborne.
In conclusion what I'm getting at...
...it would be more likely to see targets like hardened shelters, runways, forward bases, amunition depots, air defense batteries, radar sites being hit...in a massive air raid
...than fighter jets parked on the ground...
...at least in case of India/Pak IMO.
In any case...this is a fun undertaking...and now I'm wondering why didn't we do this on PDF before.
It was based on who was attacking, and what was being attacked. These were not random numbers or aircraft types. Each side had very specific plans.As per sim India looses 6 Rafale, slightly confused with this and how simulation is calculating and what are the variables, in comparison 1 J-10C is down.
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Will be answered at the end of the sim.Hi,
I have been a lurker at this forum since around 2009-2010. Made an account just to follow the Russian Invasion and this simulation.
I have some amateurish questions. How soon can the runways at the three airfields be repaired, if possible at all? Is it possible to have some Cruise Missiles on standby, targeted at the S400s? Is it possible to suppress the S400 using EW as soon as the mobilisation of 100+ fighter jets is detected using both airborne and ground based assets?
Good to see no JF17 blk 3 has been damaged.
Apologies in advance if these questions are against the rules of this thread (and for being silly too).
Hehe. That thing did frustrate your teamChinese rip-off of the S/300
Exactly.Incidentally, you and other rat-finks who are deep into your popcorn left all the heavy lifting to be done by 2 or 3 people. If you knew what it cost to feed in the date that both sides submitted, you would be raising a subscription for buying The Man an espresso machine for home.
Just before people say it is unrealistic. I want to say that @PanzerKiel is the referee and a very strict one who doesn't allow anything unrealistic. Moreover, the numbers of all the equipment included are even less than the projected.was based on who was attacking, and what was being attacked. These were not random numbers or aircraft types. Each side had very specific plans.
Modern American, Pakistani and Indian teams can repair airfields within six hours.How soon can the runways at the three airfields be repaired
Wouldn't you like to know?Is naval battles as part of this simulation
Deleted, because I want them to start looking at their watches in six hours.Modern American, Pakistani and Indian teams can repair airfields within six hours.
They don't.Both India and Pakistan don't yet have any extraordinary stealth capabilities.
They were.Any large scale intrusion will be detected by both countries since both of them have radars peering well into each other's territory.
They did.Even limited intrusions just recently were challenged by both sides relatively quickly.
No, not so.I can see some limited bombing being possible with stand off weapons...possibly using some features like mountainous terrain to mask the approach for as long as possible...
...but this is only possible at small scale.
Again, not so. We should have done it differently. We paid a hefty price for doing it the old-fashioned way.If a simultaneous bombing of forward bases is to be done...that would require deployment of a massive fleet...which would be detected by the other side far too quickly...giving them ample time to get their assets airborne.
Mebbe yes, mebbe no....it would be more likely to see targets like hardened shelters, runways, forward bases, amunition depots, air defense batteries, radar sites being hit...in a massive air raid
...than fighter jets parked on the ground...
...at least in case of India/Pak IMO.
Not a fair question, not while the sim is still working on things, not while we are trying to look deep into the eyes of the blokes across the table, and figure out what they're thinking. Anything you ask now is unfair; anything you comment now, is fair, so long as you don't ask for an answer, or a retort.How soon can the runways at the three airfields be repaired, if possible at all?
Have you seen a Christmas Tree, all lit up and begging to be loved and appreciated?Is it possible to have some Cruise Missiles on standby, targeted at the S400s?
Wot a brilliant idea it ij, sir-jee!Is it possible to suppress the S400 using EW as soon as the mobilisation of 100+ fighter jets is detected using both airborne and ground based assets?
Next time you might never get a massed raid.Is it possible to suppress the S400 using EW as soon as the mobilisation of 100+ fighter jets is detected using both airborne and ground based assets?
These were never specifically targeted.Good to see no JF17 blk 3 has been damaged.
We could do a package deal.Can we also get details of the complete indian package?
Because SQ8 and PanzerKiel didn't pull us out of our ruts.and now I'm wondering why didn't we do this on PDF before.