But they are working with RR.
TF-X Turkish Fighter & Trainer Aircraft Projects
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Bro; I do not know the details of any type of progress which definetly would not be public. It is possible that some firms and/or military might be working on materials for a time without our knowlage. We might have some material knowlage with cooperation/industrial spying etc.. This is another possibility. I can easily say that we have some turbine knowlage for sure but a fighter engine in 7 years? With RR support a working prototype is possible. I do not think the same for serial production. Even just tests for complicated projects like engines takes significant time.
Efforts of Kale and TEI on turbines is important. Those are basicly same engines but only on principles. Yes; you use some material and production calulations and technologies roughly but fighter engines are in other class. It is like asking a company which only builds light and slow cars if they can produce a high class supercar like lamborghini. Roughly same principles, same parts etc. Producing other types of turbines definetly makes your companies familiar to turbine production and makes your country ready for next steps.
RR cooperation gives me hope. I think they are telling the first tests of a prototype of their calender for pr purposes. We are familiar with calender problems on other complicated projects of both Turkey and other countries' past experiences. I think a few years of dwlay is acceptable as soon as we end up with a good engine.
Note: Extend of RR support is another question.
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thanks bro
without their help I think this project would take too long to be ready. But even with RR help 6 years sounds short amount of time.
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Ok guys, and @dBSPL as well.
Could you guys summarize me the progress of TF-X, what stage it is at currently, Is design shortlisted yet out of the 3 concepts
- delta
- fixed dual
- fixed single
Last i recall, dual was selected while others were scrapped (or not?) ?
And what happened to the talks of Turkish indigenous turbofan and RR collaboration in that ?
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Dear Friends we will must make a this hürjet with 19200 nato standart and licenced version of rd-33 kid engine and +2 light pylon for aselpod and spews pod and with helmet mounted display (oficcial he will have) , aesa radar who used on F-16 ÖZGÜR Project (unofficall), and all national weapons usable with aselpod and spews pod.
Why
Because Hürjet not very important for us because we r&d 5 th. gen stealth fighter and stealth ucavs but a aircraft cost around 25-30 m euro with have aesa, bvr air to air, anti ship and cruise missile capability also long range hgk, kgk capability with 19200 ib thrust (more than jas-39A Gripen) will be great for most of Third world countries. And thrust me most of them still use alpha jet, hawk's like hürjet his own times.
I think we are more be luck in this market. We must do it for export without we use him.
I see the drawing of hurjet from top view look like F-5 Tiger, and I think hurjet have same (or better) capability with F-5 but with better technology
Also noted, that Iran develop some fighter from old F-5 platform.
Maybe this hurjet, best for counter Iranian old F-5
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İf he have ej-200 and aesa radar he will better than f-16 block-30, jf-17, gripen a/b (with volvo engine version not ng).
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Interesting image, but the TFX thread is surely wrong!
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I dont get it. Is that a kind of running gag from you? The only thing you post in this forum, is in this thread. And the only sentence read as follows, ...not related to this topic..! Analogous.
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Homegrown fighter jet to fly with domestic engine by 2029
Turkey's first homegrown combat aircraft will make its maiden flight with a domestically-developed engine by 2029 while talks to recruit international partners continue
Turkey's TF-X National Combat Aircraft (MMU) – a joint project by the Turkish Aerospace Industries (TAI) and Presidency of Defense Industries (SSB) – is preparing for a maiden flight using a domestic engine in 2029.
Work to develop the engine continues at full speed, in cooperation with related institutions, according to Osman Dur, general manager of TR Engine, a new research and development (R&D) center for turboshaft engines.
He said some 80 engineers are working in the national fighter jet's domestic engine project, in cooperation with the Turkish Air Forces Command.
"The engine tests are set to be completed by 2026 or 2027. The MMU's maiden flight with a domestic engine will take place in 2029," he added.
The MMU is a fifth-generation jet with similar features to Lockheed Martin's F-35 Lightning II. The domestically-built aircraft is being developed to replace the Turkish Air Forces Command's F-16 fighters, ahead of the gradual phasing out of the latter throughout the 2030s.
Due to the gradual decommissioning of the F-16 combat aircraft over the next decade, the significance of the TF-X project has grown – not least as the U.S. has also halted the delivery of F-35 fighter jets to Turkey as part of a coercive effort against Ankara.
A mockup of the national combat aircraft was first showcased at the Paris Air Show in June 2019 and later at the Teknofest Istanbul in September.
The project to develop domestic capabilities to manufacture national jet fighter engines was initially launched by TAI but was later taken on by TR Engine, a company established in 2017 by the SSB to incorporate various engine-related projects under a single umbrella. Around 55% of the company is owned by Turkish defense contractor BMC, while TAI has a 35% stake. SSTEK, a subsidiary of the SSB, also has a 10% share in TR Engine.
In a statement to Anadolu Agency (AA) Friday, the General Manager of the group Osman Dur said the firm had been negotiating with international engineering and design firms, along with Original Equipment Manufacturers (OEM), given that design and production represented two separate operations. "There is no point in designing technologies that we cannot put into production. Therefore, we continue our best efforts to develop local suppliers for the domestic aircraft industry," he said.
HUMAN RESOURCES IN AVIATION
Dur said Turkey has a well developed institutional structure in the aviation and aerospace industry and there would be no problem in terms of human resources. "There are a few people who have experience in critical technologies-related sectors, but we have the experience and links to attract more human resources from around the world," he said.
He added that Turkey's civil aviation sector has been contributing to the defense industry in several technological spheres, including informatics, software and artificial intelligence (AI), as opposed to the past, when the defense industry used to support the development of civil industries.
He underscored TR Engine's role in uniting industry personnel with academicians working in the field. The center has also been encouraging university students to apply for work in the sector.
INVITATION TO MALAYSIA
TAI Chairman Temel Kotil told AA on Friday that the company had been carrying out projects on marketing and exports of recently-developed domestic products.
To this end, Turkey has invited Malaysia to join a mutual production of the MMU and Turkey's own training and light attack aircraft, the Hürjet. "We made them a proposal and they showed great interest," Kotil said.
He added that Malaysian Prime Minister Mahathir Mohammed had previously visited the TAI center, adding they also held bilateral meetings during President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan's visit to Malaysia in December.
Turkey wants the TF-X project to be a multi-partnered program, like the one enjoyed by the F-35 fighter jet program. Other countries, especially in the Asia-Pacific, such as Malaysia, are being considered potential partners in the project by Ankara. According to sources, Turkey has already discussed partnership possibilities with other countries, but there is no done-deal yet.
Kotil noted that Malaysia has significant composite-producing centers, a recently-established composite valley being one of them, but the country lacked homegrown products in the aviation sector. TAI aims to provide cooperation to the southeast Asian country in this regard, to reach out to the Far East market, he said.
A cooperation memorandum has already been signed between the company and Malaysian counterparts in the composite field, he added.
TAI has been in negotiations for the mutual production of other aircraft as well, with the likes of Kazakhstan and Pakistan, to work on domestically-developed products like the Gökbey General Purpose Helicopter.
The MMU aircraft will have several new generation features, including low visibility, internal gun housing, high maneuverability, increased situational awareness and sensor fusion.
Meanwhile, Gökbey, which was designed to operate effectively in the most challenging climates and geographies, altitudes and temperatures, completed its first certification flight in July 2019.
The certification flight tests of a second prototype of the Gökbey helicopters, produced by TAI, are planned to be completed next year.
In addition to structural systems and avionics, Gökbey's design and production of critical systems like transmission, rotor and landing gear also used national resources.
original article: https://www.dailysabah.com/defense/...ghter-jet-to-fly-with-domestic-engine-by-2029
Turkey's first homegrown combat aircraft will make its maiden flight with a domestically-developed engine by 2029 while talks to recruit international partners continue
Turkey's TF-X National Combat Aircraft (MMU) – a joint project by the Turkish Aerospace Industries (TAI) and Presidency of Defense Industries (SSB) – is preparing for a maiden flight using a domestic engine in 2029.
Work to develop the engine continues at full speed, in cooperation with related institutions, according to Osman Dur, general manager of TR Engine, a new research and development (R&D) center for turboshaft engines.
He said some 80 engineers are working in the national fighter jet's domestic engine project, in cooperation with the Turkish Air Forces Command.
"The engine tests are set to be completed by 2026 or 2027. The MMU's maiden flight with a domestic engine will take place in 2029," he added.
The MMU is a fifth-generation jet with similar features to Lockheed Martin's F-35 Lightning II. The domestically-built aircraft is being developed to replace the Turkish Air Forces Command's F-16 fighters, ahead of the gradual phasing out of the latter throughout the 2030s.
Due to the gradual decommissioning of the F-16 combat aircraft over the next decade, the significance of the TF-X project has grown – not least as the U.S. has also halted the delivery of F-35 fighter jets to Turkey as part of a coercive effort against Ankara.
A mockup of the national combat aircraft was first showcased at the Paris Air Show in June 2019 and later at the Teknofest Istanbul in September.
The project to develop domestic capabilities to manufacture national jet fighter engines was initially launched by TAI but was later taken on by TR Engine, a company established in 2017 by the SSB to incorporate various engine-related projects under a single umbrella. Around 55% of the company is owned by Turkish defense contractor BMC, while TAI has a 35% stake. SSTEK, a subsidiary of the SSB, also has a 10% share in TR Engine.
In a statement to Anadolu Agency (AA) Friday, the General Manager of the group Osman Dur said the firm had been negotiating with international engineering and design firms, along with Original Equipment Manufacturers (OEM), given that design and production represented two separate operations. "There is no point in designing technologies that we cannot put into production. Therefore, we continue our best efforts to develop local suppliers for the domestic aircraft industry," he said.
HUMAN RESOURCES IN AVIATION
Dur said Turkey has a well developed institutional structure in the aviation and aerospace industry and there would be no problem in terms of human resources. "There are a few people who have experience in critical technologies-related sectors, but we have the experience and links to attract more human resources from around the world," he said.
He added that Turkey's civil aviation sector has been contributing to the defense industry in several technological spheres, including informatics, software and artificial intelligence (AI), as opposed to the past, when the defense industry used to support the development of civil industries.
He underscored TR Engine's role in uniting industry personnel with academicians working in the field. The center has also been encouraging university students to apply for work in the sector.
INVITATION TO MALAYSIA
TAI Chairman Temel Kotil told AA on Friday that the company had been carrying out projects on marketing and exports of recently-developed domestic products.
To this end, Turkey has invited Malaysia to join a mutual production of the MMU and Turkey's own training and light attack aircraft, the Hürjet. "We made them a proposal and they showed great interest," Kotil said.
He added that Malaysian Prime Minister Mahathir Mohammed had previously visited the TAI center, adding they also held bilateral meetings during President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan's visit to Malaysia in December.
Turkey wants the TF-X project to be a multi-partnered program, like the one enjoyed by the F-35 fighter jet program. Other countries, especially in the Asia-Pacific, such as Malaysia, are being considered potential partners in the project by Ankara. According to sources, Turkey has already discussed partnership possibilities with other countries, but there is no done-deal yet.
Kotil noted that Malaysia has significant composite-producing centers, a recently-established composite valley being one of them, but the country lacked homegrown products in the aviation sector. TAI aims to provide cooperation to the southeast Asian country in this regard, to reach out to the Far East market, he said.
A cooperation memorandum has already been signed between the company and Malaysian counterparts in the composite field, he added.
TAI has been in negotiations for the mutual production of other aircraft as well, with the likes of Kazakhstan and Pakistan, to work on domestically-developed products like the Gökbey General Purpose Helicopter.
The MMU aircraft will have several new generation features, including low visibility, internal gun housing, high maneuverability, increased situational awareness and sensor fusion.
Meanwhile, Gökbey, which was designed to operate effectively in the most challenging climates and geographies, altitudes and temperatures, completed its first certification flight in July 2019.
The certification flight tests of a second prototype of the Gökbey helicopters, produced by TAI, are planned to be completed next year.
In addition to structural systems and avionics, Gökbey's design and production of critical systems like transmission, rotor and landing gear also used national resources.
original article: https://www.dailysabah.com/defense/...ghter-jet-to-fly-with-domestic-engine-by-2029
