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Taiwan Simulates Chinese Invasion

All those Taiwan's F-16 will be shot down by Chinese ADS including S-400s.

Taiwans $4.56 billion project to upgrade its fleet of 142 F-16 fighters seems to be back on track with the countrys defense minister announcing completion of the refitting program within four years,

then S-400s is useless.
 
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Iraq had a similar relationship with the Soviets and France. Didn't help them. Taiwan also isn't a US treaty ally.
Neither the Soviets nor the French helped because they knew they would their butts handed to them.

The difference between Britain and Taiwan is that Britain had the WW2 Royal Navy while Taiwan... Also has ships from the era of WW2 Royal Navy.
That expanse of water between China and Taiwan? The Taiwan navy does not have to take complete control of it. All Taiwan have to do is put up a credible threat on any point of the strait.

Another difference is that German air defense didn't have an missile range covering all of Britain while still in dock.
An excellent segue. The only way for China to defeat Taiwan is literally obliterate the island.

Britain also invented radar and had air defense radar while Germany didn't fully understand the significance of radar.
Wrong. The fact that Germany did not invade meant they knew the threat that radar posed to the Luftwaffe. Back then, radar had mixed successes. The RAF was often sent to empty sky while the real threat passed by and bombed English cities. Nevertheless, the few successes were enough for Hitler to continued the air campaign in an attempt to weaken English resolve and resources.

So how fast can China produce ballistic missiles in order to obliterate Taiwan?
 
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The differences are not secrets. What is also not secret is that the PLA have limited landing sites for an invasion and that the PLA's amphibious forces would be vulnerable in crossing the strait even before landing. Which means that in order for a successful amphibious landing, complete air supremacy must be achieved over Taiwan. Back in DS, Iraq had no ally whereas Taiwan have the world's most powerful ally -- US. Tactically speaking, all the Taiwan-US alliance has to do is a repeat of the Battle of Britain -- create so much uncertainty in the sky that the enemy have no choice but to prolong the air campaign and in that, China cannot sustain.
Taiwan will fight until the last drop of American blood is drained:omghaha::omghaha::omghaha:
 
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don't forget US is compelled to come to taiwan's aid should china attack... this might even get japan involved

I am sure that will also force other actors such as Russia to get involved.

Taiwans $4.56 billion project to upgrade its fleet of 142 F-16 fighters seems to be back on track with the countrys defense minister announcing completion of the refitting program within four years,

then S-400s is useless.

LOL you think that the F-16 can survive S-400 onslaught?
 
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I am sure that will also force other actors such as Russia to get involved.

LOL you think that the F-16 can survive S-400 onslaught?

And why should you need S-400 to kill F-16? Those fighters have airfields that within the reach of China's missiles.

People tend to forget that jet fighters, frigates, destroyers, etc. They're just a platform to bring missile to the target. So when you can strike those target with missiles without any of those, then why bother.
 
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These are useless simulations. Unofficial Chinese mouthpiece like Hu Xijin and Jin Canrong have already spelled clearly that China will destroy Taiwan all runways within half an hour. No Taiwanese fighter is expect to take off.
 
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I don't think the Taiwanese military is a push over as many members here claim ... sure they are not the highest caliber but then again, you don't need super top of the grade line military to defend an amphibious assault. Just moving enough Chinese soldiers to land on Taiwan would be a huge undertaking already ... not to mention the Taiwanese military could just hold static positions.

I am sure that will also force other actors such as Russia to get involved.



LOL you think that the F-16 can survive S-400 onslaught?
The S-400 is not even a proven system ... why are we to assume that F-16s are not capable of handling them? I have always said it is very dangerous to underestimate your opponent ... often times in the case between the United States and China. I'm sure the Chinese posters here should also not underestimate Taiwan's military capabilities ...
 
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I don't think the Taiwanese military is a push over as many members here claim ... sure they are not the highest caliber but then again, you don't need super top of the grade line military to defend an amphibious assault. Just moving enough Chinese soldiers to land on Taiwan would be a huge undertaking already ... not to mention the Taiwanese military could just hold static positions.

Holding static positions = dead from strategic bombing once PLAAF destroys the ROCAF within day 1.

You have to understand that the ROC military isn't going for an Iraqi insurgency or Swiss strategy where they bog the other side down in urban warfare. Their procurement patterns are for "offshore engagement". Basically, they want ROCAF and ROCN to attack the PLAAF and PLAN before they can establish a beachhead. This is, as you may guess, insane of them, because in a large scale fleet action or air war... PLAAF and PLAN are going to smash them.

But see, this is what the KMT does. They did it once before: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Shanghai

In the Battle of Shanghai Chiang Kai Shek sent elite German equipped divisions against the Japanese in what they wanted to be a showdown battle to smash the Japanese army.

Yes, it was a fantasy. Yes, it resulted in Chiang Kai Shek losing all his elite divisons. No, it did not result in defeat of China - but solely because China was big. Taiwan isn't so big.
 
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Holding static positions = dead from strategic bombing once PLAAF destroys the ROCAF within day 1.

You have to understand that the ROC military isn't going for an Iraqi insurgency or Swiss strategy where they bog the other side down in urban warfare. Their procurement patterns are for "offshore engagement". Basically, they want ROCAF and ROCN to attack the PLAAF and PLAN before they can establish a beachhead. This is, as you may guess, insane of them, because in a large scale fleet action or air war... PLAAF and PLAN are going to smash them.

But see, this is what the KMT does. They did it once before: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Shanghai

In the Battle of Shanghai Chiang Kai Shek sent elite German equipped divisions against the Japanese in what they wanted to be a showdown battle to smash the Japanese army.

Yes, it was a fantasy. Yes, it resulted in Chiang Kai Shek losing all his elite divisons. No, it did not result in defeat of China - but solely because China was big. Taiwan isn't so big.
Yes but this is no Iraq. The terrain of Iraq was extremely unfavorable to the defenders and therefore made massive armored attacks and aerial bombardments super easy. Taiwan is fall more hilly and mountainous, meaning the defenders have quite a bit of an advantage in this regard. In the Battle of Shanghai, Chiang Kai Shek was aiming for a pitch battle to destroy the Japanese in Shanghai at once (which was opposed by his German advisors). I doubt the ROC is aiming for any grand/pitch battle against the PLA unless they want to be annihilated. Most likely, there are going to resort to the defensive and hit and run tactics similar to the Japanese in the Pacific. Even with overwhelming artillery and air superiority, capturing these positions are still a very considerable task. I really don't see the Taiwanese trying to engage the PLA at the beach head ... that would be suicidal considering PLA forces would only land once air and naval superiority have been established.
 
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Yes but this is no Iraq. The terrain of Iraq was extremely unfavorable to the defenders and therefore made massive armored attacks and aerial bombardments super easy. Taiwan is fall more hilly and mountainous, meaning the defenders have quite a bit of an advantage in this regard. In the Battle of Shanghai, Chiang Kai Shek was aiming for a pitch battle to destroy the Japanese in Shanghai at once (which was opposed by his German advisors). I doubt the ROC is aiming for any grand/pitch battle against the PLA unless they want to be annihilated. Most likely, there are going to resort to the defensive and hit and run tactics similar to the Japanese in the Pacific. Even with overwhelming artillery and air superiority, capturing these positions are still a very considerable task. I really don't see the Taiwanese trying to engage the PLA at the beach head ... that would be suicidal considering PLA forces would only land once air and naval superiority have been established.

Look at the Han Kuang exercises.

That's exactly what they are going to try.
 
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Look at the Han Kuang exercises.

That's exactly what they are going to try.
Interesting ... I'm sure they'll still hold some units to defend the beach head and inflict as many casualties on the PLA landing force as possible. The brunt of their force I'm sure would be held back ... maybe for a counterattack. The only strategy for the Taiwanese is to control hilly strongpoints like the Japanese in the Pacific ... something like attacking the beach head would be suicidal. IIRC, in the Battle of Okinawa, the Japanese did not even attempt to counter the USMC on the beaches. They only opened fire a couple days later, when the USMC moved much further inland. Any Taiwanese frontal attack would be repulsed pretty badly since the Chinese would have full air and naval superiority.
 
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Interesting ... I'm sure they'll still hold some units to defend the beach head and inflict as many casualties on the PLA landing force as possible. The brunt of their force I'm sure would be held back ... maybe for a counterattack. The only strategy for the Taiwanese is to control hilly strongpoints like the Japanese in the Pacific ... something like attacking the beach head would be suicidal. IIRC, in the Battle of Okinawa, the Japanese did not even attempt to counter the USMC on the beaches. They only opened fire a couple days later, when the USMC moved much further inland. Any Taiwanese frontal attack would be repulsed pretty badly since the Chinese would have full air and naval superiority.

That strategy also won't work because this isn't WW2 anymore. With air supremacy, hilly strongpoints can be cut off from each other then overwhelmed one by one. Afghanistan didn't fare much better than Iraq did after all.
 
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That strategy also won't work because this isn't WW2 anymore. With air supremacy, hilly strongpoints can be cut off from each other then overwhelmed one by one. Afghanistan didn't fare much better than Iraq did after all.
In Okinawa and Iwo Jima, the US had complete air supremacy and it still took months and tens of thousands of lives to clear the defenders out. Even in Vietnam or Afghanistan, you can see that isolated strongpoints are still very difficult to defeat and require huge amounts of manpower (i.e. casualties). Of course, maybe Taiwanese military morale is not as high as those of the Japanese, Vietnamese, or Taliban defenders. But that is just a maybe ... the PLA has to expect the morale to be high and for the defenders to fight to the last man. In WW2, the Japanese strongpoints were also cut off and overwhelmed one at a time ... fighting in this type of terrain is not so different from WW2.
 
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Can China please sell to us those 140 odd upgraded F-16's once reunification is complete?
 
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