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Taimur: Pakistan's ICBM?

When you research on missile programs, Teake air to air missiles ASTRA, Under water missiles like sagarika and ABM tech, do you think pakistan has these stuffs, Even in ballestic missiles, India have many varients Tested, We have the worlds fastest Cruise missile... And we have 3 ICBM programs running and AD-1 and AD-2 which can intercept an ICBM....

I am no expert. I have read that pak has more advanced missile tech compared to India due to help from china & NK. You may want to check out pak's missile write-up in Global-Security

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ICBMs have nothing to do with cruise-missiles. I also look down on claims from news-magazines about Indian accomplishments in this regard. Take all that with a grain of salt.
 
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I am no expert. I have read that pak has more advanced missile tech compared to India due to help from china & NK. You may want to check out pak's missile write-up in Global-Security

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ICBMs have nothing to do with cruise-missiles. I also look down on claims from news-magazines about Indian accomplishments in this regard. Take all that with a grain of salt.

Werent we talking about the indeginious development? So IF its getting help how ca u say that Technologically same advancement.
 
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Well, sure, using my source will be fine too;

China
Population below poverty line: 8%

Reserves of foreign exchange and gold:
$1.955 trillion (31 December 2008 est.)
country comparison to the world: 1

India
Population below poverty line: 25%

Reserves of foreign exchange and gold:
$254 billion (31 December 2008 est.)
country comparison to the world: 5

So, what do you think ? my dear Indian friends.
:smitten::pakistan::china:
 
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Well, sure, using my source will be fine too;

China
Population below poverty line: 8%

Reserves of foreign exchange and gold:
$1.955 trillion (31 December 2008 est.)
country comparison to the world: 1

India
Population below poverty line: 25%

Reserves of foreign exchange and gold:
$254 billion (31 December 2008 est.)
country comparison to the world: 5

So, what do you think ? my dear Indian friends.
:smitten::pakistan::china:

My friend, Iam sure You are not a commerce student... How on earth are you comparing Poverty with Reserves in foreign exchange?

Do u mind mentioning the Foreign reserves Of UK and US? and please do Enlighten us how much people of theirs are below poverty line as they have very low Reserves than India???????
 
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Well, sure, using my source will be fine too;

China
Population below poverty line: 8%

Reserves of foreign exchange and gold:
$1.955 trillion (31 December 2008 est.)
country comparison to the world: 1

India
Population below poverty line: 25%

Reserves of foreign exchange and gold:
$254 billion (31 December 2008 est.)
country comparison to the world: 5

So, what do you think ? my dear Indian friends.
:smitten::pakistan::china:

These are some handy figures. Thanks for sharing these. I'll take a note of them. :yahoo:
 
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Sir, may I ask who is to be hit by Israel with their Jericho II & III ICBMs ??? All its enemies sit within a few hundred KMs from its borders, then why it is getting a capability which can hit Europe and even US tomorrow, even when it has sufficient capability to annihilate its Arab neighbors who are its enemies ?? Has US or Europe asked them or shown any worries why they are getting these ICBMs ??? Doesn't seems to have a single concern being raised, then why about us ?? We have threatened no one, then why we will have eye brows raised ???

To me Israeli ICBMs crossing the 10,000KM mark shows they are thinking Europe and US to be future enemies as there is no other reason/logic to make ICBMs which can potentially target countries which are friendly with Israel today, but Israel may be thinking something else.

Plus, i did not said we need to raise an Army of ICBMs right now, but keep working on it would be a good idea and mastering this technology would not be a bad. Now we may not be able sustain such kind of force, nor may be having an enemy that far away, but as i said no one knows about the future, who knows tomorrow both things become a reality.

Israel is what in the US is sometimes considered the "51st state" - just a proxy for the US and Europe. Hypocritical? of course. They are also our misbehaving little puppy and sometimes they do get a spanking from us. They would not be able to survive if we cut off their several billion dollar arms package anually, and they know that. They also will not conduct any major military action without a US nod. That's why Jericho III will not be allowed to become reality. Israel considers Iran a threat probably because they make no bones about launching missiles at them. A good portion of Israel's population consists of European jews - the thought that they would nuke the old homaland is inconcievable. That's the present

In the future if Israel goes hostile, the purse strings will go away and crippling sanctions will be placed. Look what it did to the PAF in the 90.s

I am certainly not condoning Israel's action, and I think our support for them has cost us goodwill in the Arab world.

What is interesting is that even the Arab world does not treat the Palestinians right..
 
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Salaam....interesting article:coffee:


ref:ICBM: Pakistan intercontinental missile underway | Pakistan Daily
ICBM: Pakistan intercontinental missile underwayHeadlines Thursday, August 13th, 2009
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Missile-199x300.jpg


Technology to cover range of 7,000 Kms, Pakistan, to increase its defensive capabilities, has started preparing intercontinental missile with a range of 7000 kilometres.

According to sources, the intercontinental missile has a range of 7000 kilometres and is capable of hitting its target falling within its range. The missile can contain nuclear as well as traditional warheads. The missile has been termed a significant milestone for the defence of the country and is believed to strengthen the defence. According to sources, the missile would soon be test fired.
PAF to get airborne refullers next year: Pakistan Air Force plans to induct four Chinese airborne refullers next year, in a move to counter the Indian Air Forces’ enhanced capabilities after New Delhi acquired six similar aircraft, an Indian news agency quoted the PAF chief as saying.

Air Chief Marshal Qamar Suleman underlined that the airborne refullers were necessary to match the IAF capabilities.

“This is an absolutely new capability which we are inducting. We never had this capability in the PAF,” Suleman added, maintaining, in order to match the IAF’s acquisition of the first of three Airborne Warning and Control Systems (AWACS), the PAF would receive four Chinese systems between 2011 and 2012.

He also termed as “alarming” the IAF’s intention of purchasing 126 medium multi-role combat aircraft, saying Pakistan needed “to have something matching.:pdf:

Short URL: ICBM: Pakistan intercontinental missile underway | Pakistan Daily
 
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Such delivery systems with designations of Taimur and Tipu have been in circles for some time now.
 
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Well sooner or later this had to come out but i can assure you Pakistan had the ability to develop an ICBM for half a decade now:coffee: but it didn't want to expose it because of certain issues.But still its good news:yahoo:
 
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Salaam....interesting article:coffee:


ref:ICBM: Pakistan intercontinental missile underway | Pakistan Daily
ICBM: Pakistan intercontinental missile underwayHeadlines Thursday, August 13th, 2009
Pr
Missile-199x300.jpg


Technology to cover range of 7,000 Kms, Pakistan, to increase its defensive capabilities, has started preparing intercontinental missile with a range of 7000 kilometres.

According to sources, the intercontinental missile has a range of 7000 kilometres and is capable of hitting its target falling within its range. The missile can contain nuclear as well as traditional warheads. The missile has been termed a significant milestone for the defence of the country and is believed to strengthen the defence. According to sources, the missile would soon be test fired.
PAF to get airborne refullers next year: Pakistan Air Force plans to induct four Chinese airborne refullers next year, in a move to counter the Indian Air Forces’ enhanced capabilities after New Delhi acquired six similar aircraft, an Indian news agency quoted the PAF chief as saying.

Air Chief Marshal Qamar Suleman underlined that the airborne refullers were necessary to match the IAF capabilities.

“This is an absolutely new capability which we are inducting. We never had this capability in the PAF,” Suleman added, maintaining, in order to match the IAF’s acquisition of the first of three Airborne Warning and Control Systems (AWACS), the PAF would receive four Chinese systems between 2011 and 2012.

He also termed as “alarming” the IAF’s intention of purchasing 126 medium multi-role combat aircraft, saying Pakistan needed “to have something matching.:pdf:

Short URL: ICBM: Pakistan intercontinental missile underway | Pakistan Daily



Chinese aerial tankers? That's new.
 
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ref:extract taken from Intercontinental ballistic missile - eNotes.com Reference

According to this it is the ■Taimur (7,000km, Under development)
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An Intercontinental Ballistic Missile (ICBM) is a long-range (greater than 5,500 km or 3,500 miles) ballistic missile typically designed for nuclear weapons delivery, that is, delivering one or more nuclear warheads. Due to their great range and firepower, in an all-out nuclear war, land-based ICBMs and submarines would carry most of the destructive force, with nuclear-armed bombers having the remainder.

ICBMs are differentiated by having greater range and speed than other ballistic missiles: intermediate-range ballistic missiles (IRBMs), medium-range ballistic missiles (MRBMs), short-range ballistic missiles (SRBMs)—these shorter range ballistic missiles are known collectively as theatre ballistic missiles. Categorizing missiles by range is necessarily subjective[clarification needed] and the boundaries are chosen somewhat arbitrarily.

While the warheads of theater ballistic missiles are often conventional, ICBMs are nearly inseparable from their connection with nuclear warheads. 'Nuclear ICBM' is seen as a redundant term. Strategic planning avoids the concept of a conventionally tipped ICBM, mainly because any ICBM launch threatens many countries and they are expected to react under a worst-case assumption that it is a nuclear attack. This threat of ICBMs to deliver such a lethal blow so rapidly to targets across the globe has resulted in the interesting fact that there has never been any end-to-end test of a nuclear-armed ICBM.

With the advent of MIRVs in 1970, deployed in Minuteman ICBMs and Posidon SLBMs,[1] the warhead from a single missile had the capability to split up and strike several different targets.




ICBMs by country
Soviet Union / Russia
Specific types of Soviet ICBMs include:

■R7 Semyorka / 8K71 / SS-6 Sapwood: Rocket first used to launch Sputnik 1 in October 1957. Derivatives are still in use today, primarily as the Soyuz rocket for manned Soyuz and Progress spacecraft launches to the International Space Station
■R-16 SS-7 Saddler
■R-9 Desna / SS-8 Sasin
■R-36 SS-9 Scarp
■R-36M2 Voevoda / SS-18 Satan
■UR-100 8K84 / SS-11 Sego
■MR-UR-100 Sotka / 15A15/ SS-17 Spanker
■UR-100N 15A30 / SS-19 Stiletto
■RT-2 8K98 / SS-13 Savage
■RT-23 Molodets / SS-24 Scalpel
■RT-2PM Topol / 15Zh58 / SS-25 Sickle
■RT-2UTTKh Topol M / SS-27
■RS-24: MIRV-equipped. Expected to service in December 2009.

United States
■Atlas (SM-65, CGM-16): Former ICBM launched from silo, the rocket was modified and used in 1962-1963 for four manned Mercury-Atlas flights, and was used, along with the Agena or Centaur upper stages, as a medium-lift satellite and interplanetary probe launcher for NASA and the USAF. Original design, with "balloon tanks" and "1.5 staging," has since been retired and replaced with the Atlas V, which has an internal structure similar to the Titan ICBM, but using conventional propellants.
■Titan I (SM-68, HGM-25A): Based in underground launch complexes. Used LOX/RP-1 propellants like Atlas, but stored in conventional tanks.
■Titan II (SM-68B, LGM-25C): Former hypergolic-fueled ICBM launched from silo, the rocket was used in 1965-1966 for ten manned Gemini flights and its two-stage core was modified into the heavy-lifting Titan III and Titan IV rockets. All Titan II, III, and IV models have since been retired.
■Minuteman I (SM-80, LGM-30A/B, HSM-80)
■Minuteman II (LGM-30F)
■Minuteman III (LGM-30G): launched from silo—as of May 2009, there are 450 Minuteman III missiles in active inventory
■LGM-118 Peacekeeper / MX (LGM-118A): silo-based; decommissioned in May 2006
■Midgetman: prototype only and has never been operational—launched from mobile launcher
■Trident (UGM-93A/B) SLBM: Trident II (D5) was first deployed in 1990 and is planned to be deployed past 2020 (11,300 kilometres (7,000 mi) range).

People's Republic of China
Specific types of Chinese ICBMs called Dong Feng ("East Wind").

■DF-4 (CSS-3): silo based and semimobile, 5,550–7,000 km range.
■DF-5 (CSS-4) (1981–present): silo based, 12,000 km range.
■DF-5A (CSS-4) (16 December 1986 – present): silo based, 15,000+ km range.
■DF-31 (CSS-9): silo and road mobile, 7,200+ km range.
■Railroad-based DF-31: railroad mobile, 7,200+ km range.
■DF-31A (CSS-9 Mod-2): silo and road mobile, MIRV equipped, 11,200+ km range.
■JL-2 (CSS-NX-4): SSBN-based, ~8000 km range.
■DF-41 (CSS-X-10): silo and road mobile, MIRV equipped (up to 10), under development, 15,000+ km range.

United Kingdom
The United Kingdom only deploys United States-constructed, submarine-launched ICBMs. The UK contributes towards the development of the U.S.-constructed missiles which it uses.

■Trident II (D5): SLBM currently used by the Royal Navy and planned to be deployed until the 2050s.

France
France only deploys submarine launched ICBMs, with all land based ones decommissioned

■M45: In service.
■M51.1: Expected to enter service in 2010.
■M51.2: Expected to enter service in 2015.

Israel
■Jericho II: capable of sending a one ton nuclear payload 5,000 kilometers.[14] capable of being modified to carry one nuclear warhead that is no heavier than 500 kg over 7,800 km.[15]
■Jericho III: believed to have a range of up to 11,500 km with 1–1.3 ton payload.[16] Entered service in 2008.

Under development

North Korea
North Korea currently does not have any ICBM in its inventory.

■Taepodong-2 (4,000–9,000 km range, failed test in 2006)

India
India currently does not have any ICBM in its inventory.

■Agni V[17]
■Agni V SLBM[17]
■Surya-I
■Surya-II

PakistanPakistan currently does not have any ICBM in its inventory.

■Taimur (7,000km, Under development)[18]
Sea-based ICBMs


Trident missile launch at sea from a Royal Navy Vanguard-class ballistic missile submarine■ The U.S. Navy currently has 18 Ohio-class SSBNs deployed, of which 14 are armed with 24 Trident II SLBMs each, for a total of 288 Trident II missiles equipped with 1152 MIRV nuclear warheads.
■ The Russian Navy currently has 12 SSBNs deployed, including 5 Delta III class submarines, 6 Delta IV class submarines and 1 Typhoon class submarine. Missiles include R-29R SLBMs and R-29RMU Sineva SLBMs with MIRV warheads for a total of 181 missiles equipped with 639 nuclear warheads. The Borei class SSBNs and Bulava SLBMs are under development.
■ The United Kingdom's Royal Navy has four Vanguard class SSBNs, each armed with 16 Trident II SLBMs with MIRV warheads for a total of 64 Trident II missiles and 185 nuclear warheads.
■ The French Navy has four le Triomphant class SSBNs each armed with 16 M45s SLBMs with TN75 MIRV nuclear warheads. The M45 SLBMs are scheduled to be upgraded to M51 SLBMs around 2010.
■ The People's Republic of China's People's Liberation Army Navy has two Type 094 SSBNs each armed with 12 JL-2 SLBMs.
 
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