Taimur: Pakistan's ICBM?

[I S I]

kareena kapoor's son is Pakistan's ICBM. Hmm

 

[khanmubashir]

We are just doing it for fun..

Just a thought that ICBM could be enhanced to be used for Space-War, getting down the enemy spy and communication satellites.. but not sure if that is the intention behind that. But in my opinion, instead of ICBMs, we need to produce better and more advanced cruise missiles that could rip the cities within a circle of 3500-4000 KM apart. We don't have anybody to kill beyond this diameter.

If we develop icbm it should. Be light mobile like topol m it midget man

Btw we can test tech in form if space rockets

This will also give commercial benefits to out rocket program and also improve our strategic capabilities

 

[Kompromat]

Everyone should know that Pakistan did cross the ICBM development threshold in technology terms. Political conditions however do not require such a weapon to be tested or claimed. The capability exists, and that is what matters.

 

[Cool_Soldier]

Situation is not favorable at the moment to test ICBM. However, SLV test should be considered soon. That will pave the way for ICBM capability possession.

 

[Pakistan Space Agency]

Situation is not favorable at the moment to test ICBM. However, SLV test should be considered soon. That will pave the way for ICBM capability possession.

Only Western pressure is preventing Pakistan from testing an ICBM.

Once India can cover all of Europe under it's missile range, only then Pakistan will push to test launch an ICBM of it's own.

 

[PakFactor]

Fans of ICBM need to realize that it is really expensive and won't make any difference. For reference: https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/the-...missiles-obsolete.540429/page-7#post-10676390


Can we afford SSBNs?

UK and France operate 3 x SSBN each and only one is active at a time in their case. Look at the size of their economy in GDP as well. Too expensive.

Babur SLCM is OK for our needs.

Brother I have to respectfully disagree. We need this capability ready and operationalized part of our doctrine we need to be able to strike enemies in Europe or North America or wherever they might be, and tying our hands behind our back isn't good enough and honestly Pakistan really needs to break out and flex it's muscles and establish itself as a proper regional power --

 

[R Wing]

Everyone should know that Pakistan did cross the ICBM development threshold in technology terms. Political conditions however do not require such a weapon to be tested or claimed. The capability exists, and that is what matters.

What potential current/future adversary would a 'regular' ICBM be useful against (not in terms of range but in terms of non-hypersonic ICBMs in low numbers reaching their targets)? Most countries that take their national security seriously have robust ballistic defense systems so investing in better tech (stealth, speed, maneuverability, MIRV, etc.) for our existing ranges and other means of deterrence (hypersonic, proxy, cyber, etc.) may be a better allocation of our limited resources.

 

[Marker]

At present, Pakistan should focus on anti missile systems, air defense systems, high tech radars and EW and ECM systems.

Ballistic missiles with MIRV capability (range around 3500 km) and a good on ground tracking system are more than enough to keep nuclear deterrence against the neighboring enemy and Israel.

 

[AUz]

Everyone should know that Pakistan did cross the ICBM development threshold in technology terms. Political conditions however do not require such a weapon to be tested or claimed. The capability exists, and that is what matters.

I disagree with this notion.

The only reason this mythical ICBM notion keeps coming up is because of Western/US military threat that, if imposed on Pak, cannot be defended against currently. So any 'ICBM' Pakistan develops would have to be 8,000-13,000km in range with super advance hypersonic delivery systems, megaton MIRVs, and capable of penetrating the Western ABM ecosystem.

Pakistan neither has the technical know-how and technological-industrial base and nor the resources to develop such ICBM deterrence against the West.

Developing an ICBM like Agni-V is useless for us and doesn't really matter even if the development threshold for such a system was achieved.

 

[khansaheeb]

Uncle Sam likes to make a song and dance, like when Pakistan managed to wire up it's F-16s to carry and deliver Strategic weapons, Washington sounded alarms, there was perhaps,"you naughty boy" telling off and even wrist slapping with sanctions. Lo and behold, why rely on old capability, here is some brand new plat forms, enter Block-52 Vipers.
In any case, what makes you think, Pakistan gives two monkeys. !!

It's all done with the wink wink approval of the US-"Pakistan managed to wire up it's F-16s to carry and deliver Strategic weapons, Washington sounded alarms"

 

[Yasser76]

It's all done with the wink wink approval of the US-"Pakistan managed to wire up it's F-16s to carry and deliver Strategic weapons, Washington sounded alarms"

ICBM is pointless.

1) Current IRBM can target Israel and all major US military bases within 3km of Pak, I cannot conceivably think of an instance where we would need to target any European country with a nuke
2) Even if (and it is a very big if) we did need to target any country far away, a sub based nuke woukd have a better chance
3) As others point out, we need to worry about other capabilities way before than.
4) If ever Pakistan was in a confrontation with the US, very high chance China would be involved too

 

[Marker]

ICBM is pointless.

1) Current IRBM can target Israel and all major US military bases within 3km of Pak, I cannot conceivably think of an instance where we would need to target any European country with a nuke
2) Even if (and it is a very big if) we did need to target any country far away, a sub based nuke woukd have a better chance
3) As others point out, we need to worry about other capabilities way before than.
4) If ever Pakistan was in a confrontation with the US, very high chance China would be involved too

We as humans must realize that use of nuke will be the end of this world. What ever will be left after the nuclear war is nuclear winter. Almost 60 to 70% of population will be wiped out due to direct blast and nuclear radiation. Remaining survivors will face the nuclear fall out.

Nuclear weapons are now meant for deterrence. If any country dares to use it against another country having nuclear weapons capability, then the aggressor will also face similar deadly consequences.

Countries like USA, China, Russia, France, UK, India, Pakistan and North Korea (probably Israel) cannot afford to enter in full fledge war against each other.

I do agree with you, considering Indians nuclear launching capabilities, for now Pakistan do not require any ICBM.

For Pakistan geo-strategic nuclear deterrence is a missile or a deliver system of 3500 km range, MIRV capable loaded with nuclear war heads. This deterrence is more than enough to stop offensive action from any nation of the world.

Even if India, Pakistan and China enter into a short scale conflict in Kashmir and Ladakh fronts, use of nuclear weapons will be the last option for these three states (a very remote possibility).

I agree with your #3 point. Pakistan armed forces must enhance the air defense capabilities such as radars, anti missile systems, SAM systems, EW and ECM systems in form of all three platforms ie air, sea and land (ground).
Effective and mature air defense system will act as second deterrence.