Taimur: Pakistan's ICBM?

[Skies]

Who exactly are you going to/ can you nuke? you don't need that kind of range for India.

So....

nuke Israel? their response will vaporize you.

Western Europe? NATO will vaporize you.

Eastern Europe? Putin will vaporize you.

No offense intended...

Simple questions:

# Why USA want to build missile shield in Europe?

# Who will attack them?

# Don't u think that they will vaporize also if USA attacked some how?

# Dose USA still spends lot of dollars in defence just because they are rich? Though they already build very advanced defence system?

# I believe many counties feel unsafe for USA, that's why still Russia, Venezuela, Iran, North-Korea also may others have to spend lot of dollars for their defence but they could use those dollars in other beneficial purposes.

# So if you have concern about you country even after having all advanced defence equipments then we also have concern about our beloved countries since we are far far behind form the giants.

 

[TaimiKhan]

Not quite sure what you tried to say there.

Yes, I did do my research. Can you answer my basic question - who is Pakistan going to nuke 7,000kms away? and what would be the consequences? Please read my post.

It is cool to be a nationalist, btw.

Just a point to wonder, did US or Iran back in 70s when they were best buddies ever thought that one day a few years from now they will become arch enemies of each other and will be talking of war or making plans to go to war and bomb Iran ?? Had NATO ever thought that one day they will be deploying in Afghanistan and fighting a COIN war or become an occupying forces, rather they were formed to counter Russia and invasion from the East.

Had we ever thought that US will come to the borders of Pakistan and one day it will bomb a Pakistani post killing 11+ Pakistani soldiers within its own country or do drone strikes and threaten it with retaliation or hatch conspiracies against Pakistan or Pakistani troops firing at US helicopters intruding in its airspace ?

So point is, that present is in front of us, not Future. And based on present we can predict future relations but there is no 100% guarantee that what we thought today would be tomorrow too.

So today we may not have an enemy 3000KM away, but tomorrow we may have an enemy, so better we prepare from now rather then caught with our pants down.

 

[Skies]

@pak

Since, no one can predicts the provable future conflicts so taking caution will be the best way.
As wise can see/guess the future, so do the best. I am sure that making advanced sys is not any wrong decision for Pak.

 

[pak-yes]

Just a point to wonder, did US or Iran back in 70s when they were best buddies ever thought that one day a few years from now they will become arch enemies of each other and will be talking of war or making plans to go to war and bomb Iran ?? Had NATO ever thought that one day they will be deploying in Afghanistan and fighting a COIN war or become an occupying forces, rather they were formed to counter Russia and invasion from the East.

Had we ever thought that US will come to the borders of Pakistan and one day it will bomb a Pakistani post killing 11+ Pakistani soldiers within its own country or do drone strikes and threaten it with retaliation or hatch conspiracies against Pakistan or Pakistani troops firing at US helicopters intruding in its airspace ?

So point is, that present is in front of us, not Future. And based on present we can predict future relations but there is no 100% guarantee that what we thought today would be tomorrow too.

So today we may not have an enemy 3000KM away, but tomorrow we may have an enemy, so better we prepare from now rather then caught with our pants down.

I totally agree with you we must must must have advanced ICBM technology.you don't know who will become your enemy tomorrow so better be prepared.

 

[TexasJohn]

Just a point to wonder, did US or Iran back in 70s when they were best buddies ever thought that one day a few years from now they will become arch enemies of each other and will be talking of war or making plans to go to war and bomb Iran ?? Had NATO ever thought that one day they will be deploying in Afghanistan and fighting a COIN war or become an occupying forces, rather they were formed to counter Russia and invasion from the East.

Had we ever thought that US will come to the borders of Pakistan and one day it will bomb a Pakistani post killing 11+ Pakistani soldiers within its own country or do drone strikes and threaten it with retaliation or hatch conspiracies against Pakistan or Pakistani troops firing at US helicopters intruding in its airspace ?

So point is, that present is in front of us, not Future. And based on present we can predict future relations but there is no 100% guarantee that what we thought today would be tomorrow too.

So today we may not have an enemy 3000KM away, but tomorrow we may have an enemy, so better we prepare from now rather then caught with our pants down.

I would agree with you up to a point. No we did not forsee a hostile Iran till 1979 ( 30 years ago), about the same time the "new act in the great game" - Afghanistan started playing itself out. The USSR collapsed under it's own weight. We never had to fight or defeat them. Our ICBMs were mostly for USSR and it's clients, which is now non-existent. That's why we still continue START talks with them. Even today both nations can destroy the world several times over.

I guess that's the point I'm trying to make. ICBMs are good only if you have enough of them. Otherwise the response will be overwhelming against you. Is Pakistan's economy bigger than the USSR's in it's heyday? If not, then it's a waste of time and money. Pakistan really has only one threat perception today - India.

Even in the future, I don't see Pakistan as having global reach - no offense, but very few nations have had that reach. UK and USSR both used to just like the US has today.

So when you start building ICBMs with that range you will draw attention and perhaps a pre-emptive response and it won't be India. You can already hit them now..

 

[illuminatus]

Just a point to wonder, did US or Iran back in 70s when they were best buddies ever thought that one day a few years from now they will become arch enemies of each other and will be talking of war or making plans to go to war and bomb Iran ?? Had NATO ever thought that one day they will be deploying in Afghanistan and fighting a COIN war or become an occupying forces, rather they were formed to counter Russia and invasion from the East.

Had we ever thought that US will come to the borders of Pakistan and one day it will bomb a Pakistani post killing 11+ Pakistani soldiers within its own country or do drone strikes and threaten it with retaliation or hatch conspiracies against Pakistan or Pakistani troops firing at US helicopters intruding in its airspace ?

So point is, that present is in front of us, not Future. And based on present we can predict future relations but there is no 100% guarantee that what we thought today would be tomorrow too.

So today we may not have an enemy 3000KM away, but tomorrow we may have an enemy, so better we prepare from now rather then caught with our pants down.

This illustrates the need for going continental. It's a sensitive matter, but Pakistan cannot afford to be negligent about imminent future threats. The world situation is very dynamic and a lot has happened in the past decade which has affected Pakistan in a very big way. Our so-called Cold War allies are now in our backyard fighting a war with the gun barrel on our shoulders. Threats and intimidation are a harsh reality. The worst Pakistan could do under such circumstances is to remain oblivious and unprepared. ICBMs will act as an insurance policy when things get really nasty. Something that cannot be ruled out at this point. Hint: Safest option would be to opt for the SLV route. Consider it two flies in one clap.

 

[Red Dwarf]

How easy is to build an ICBM. How smooth is the transformation from an IRBM to an ICBM. Why can't a country which has an IRBM faces difficulties in creating an ICBM. Is this a technical issue or political/strtegic issue.

 

[manglasiva]

Pakistan should not build ICBM capability.THERZ NO NEED...
if that is intended for Israel,Do u believe Israel will attack Pak so u need deterrence against them ? even if u do a preemptive strike just for eyeing Islamic sympathy and support..what happened to Saddam's scuds weren't they useless..what purpose did they achieve ? other than uncle SAM's anger.
Since these are long range missiles, they can be tracked in flight and destroyed, so to counter these u need large number of missiles and MRV....Can Pak with a few billion of forex really afford them ? Do u believe international community will sit back idle ?

 

[mkiyani]

guys keep underestimating Pakistan... Time will tell what happens to paksitan who will vaporize it and so on... easir said then done.. Btw forex rate and money will not go fight war... its the people and will of country which makes the difference... We will die but we will take as many as we can with us...

 

[mkiyani]

Expect the best Prepare for the worst... and also secure peace only by preparing for war

 

[mkiyani]

Long Live Pakistan and Long live China

 

[AVIAN]

guys keep underestimating Pakistan... Time will tell what happens to paksitan who will vaporize it and so on... easir said then done.. Btw forex rate and money will not go fight war... its the people and will of country which makes the difference... We will die but we will take as many as we can with us...

So you seems to have already the lost the war as far as your meaningless comments are concerned. And who said that Forex rate and money will not going to fight the war, it is the money that will bring food and food will enable armed forces to deliver a counter blow.

 

[manglasiva]

Tons of grass will do to fight a 1000 year war ..Guys be realistic & practical.Pakistan will have a great future if u're leaders have vision..(avoiding tunnel vision thru INDIA !!)

 

[ice_man]

You need to develop a satellite launch vehicle then. How much sense does this make to develop a missile then use it's technology for launching satellites.

And so what if the satellites are completing their life cycles? Pakistan developing this missile tech won't help anyone, because first you need to "start" your space program...

SUPARCO

very wise my friend!(SARCASTIC) if you read about the demise of the soviet union you would have definitely come across the story of star wars program! it was a fake program of which the documents were specifically leaked to the soviet union reason being make them spend billions in a wild goose chase!

now the reason why pakistan needs ICBM is exactly the same as why Israel needs a nuclear weapon when none of its ENEMIES have it! germany for sure is not going to attack israel is it? we need ICBM as a weapon to thwart of "enemies" that might have intentions to attack us sitting thousands of miles away!

but space well that is a battle field that we will let china,india,us & russiafight it out for bragging rights!

again you have to see our aim is the survival of our FATHERLAND not a world dominance or power projection!

 

[mkiyani]

So you seems to have already the lost the war as far as your meaningless comments are concerned. And who said that Forex rate and money will not going to fight the war, it is the money that will bring food and food will enable armed forces to deliver a counter blow.

brave hindu will eat and then fight.. food will make u brave hmm... they will not fight if there is no food... i dont want to waste my time on ur stupid stuff ... you are right...