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Turkish selection of Chinese missile system angers US


Local defense industry sources close to the industry told Today's Zaman that CPMIEC's bid included a huge investment to build a technology park next to Turkey's Sabiha Gökçen International Airport on the Anatolian side of İstanbul. This was one of the demands Turkey made to bidding companies -- and China met it, according to the sources.


“China reduced the price of its T-Loramids bid to about $3 billion, while other three bidders were slightly over $4 billion. Erdoğan must have calculated that he could pay Turkish engineers to do some of the work in developing the missiles with the extra $1 billion that will be saved with the Chinese offer,” the sources said.


.... to abandon the purchase of 12 SAM systems in favor of the development of an advanced SAM system between Turkey and one of the bidding companies.


In the final analysis, Turkey's decision to co-develop high-tech missile systems with China to strengthen its relatively weak defense industry infrastructure will be more beneficial than buying these costly systems off the shelf from other bidders.

source: Turkish selection of Chinese missile system angers US - Today's Zaman, your gateway to Turkish daily news

Some highlights from source...

 

[Sun Piwa]

All countries parasited by the JEW USA are lazy, uncompetent, dependant who can only buy buy and buy again. So the JEW USA can exterminate them when it's good for them.

 

[Yzd Khalifa]

I don't think so, up until now the PRC never harmed us in any way, the PRC helped us out in many occasions. Why shouldn't we consider China to be a friend of ours? Especially when China is a good friend to our friend Pakistan.

PRC is a friend of business ... no matter where it comes from.
when PRC will look for MORE business in GCC, how will your "friends" fare then ?

The same fare they had when we normalized our relations with the PRC.

 

[ozi2000]

What Chinese Saying,

Well-Known Chinese Military expert Chen Hu:


Reuters reported on the 26th that the Turkish Defense Minister Yilmaz announced that China Precision Machinery Import and Export Corporation won the tender of Turkish remote air defense and missile defense system "T-Loramids" project with a total price of $ 3 billion. The decision was approved in Turkey Defense Industry Executive Committee meeting, which was chaired by Prime Minister Erdogan.

In this competition, the Chinese Red Flag-9 remote surface to air missile (Export model: FD-2000) would have been considered as the "sauce emperor" to accompany "princes" on studying, because the opponents are the air defense missiles of the famous American Raytheon's Patriot-3, Russia defense export company’s S-400 and the Eurosam's Aster 30.

Since Turkey is a NATO country, which had been a staunch ally of the United States during the Cold War. In1962, it allowed the United States to deploy on its territory to aim at the Soviet nuclear missiles, thus giving rise to the "Cuban Missile Crisis ". And therefore, people all think that this bid is most probably to lie on Patriot and meanwhile “Aster” also has a big chance.

But in surprise, the Red Flag-9 won in the end. This is the first time for China to export air defense weapons to NATO countries.
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Foreign Ministry spokesman Hong Lei yesterday responded at a regular press conference:"The Chinese government has always been in line with a prudent and responsible attitude to carry out military trade cooperation. The above corporation between China and Turkey is the normal military trade cooperation between the two countries."

Back to June of this year, the American Defense News once said, Turkey "strongly" tended to buy the Chinese Red Flag-9 system. Soon afterwards, the U.S. and Europe "warned” Turkey not to select Chinese or Russian system.

After the surprise, many readers are wondering: Why Turkey against the pressure of the NATO allies chose Chinese air defense system? And how does the Red Flag-9 fit into the NATO system? How to avoid leaks? Reporters connect the well-known military expert Chen Hu.


Why Turkey chose Red Flag-9?

""""""As for the reason that Turkey chose the air defense missiles of China, the most intuitive advantage is the cheap price. According to the reports, the Turkish project budget is $ 4 billion, while in 2009 the American Patriot-3 was charged at $ 7.8 billion and the Aster 30 was charged at $ 5.5 billion, which both exceeds the budget. The S400 is also more expensive than the Red Flag-9 of $ 3 billion."""""""

The weapon performance is another more important factor. Patriot-3 has a comprehensive capability of air defense and anti-missile; although there is a very high flexibility of Aster 30, but it has no ability to fight against ballistic missiles; S400 specializes in combating aircraft and cruise missiles. However, according to the foreign media reports, in the shooting tests in Turkey, the Red Flag-9 ranked first.

Taken together to measure, the Red Flag-9 has a very high cost performance.

However, in the international arms sales, the more decisive factor is politics rather than price and performance. The continuing hostility between Russia and Turkey on the issue of Syria and the continuing confrontation between Russia and NATO decided S400's slim chance of winning.


Over the years, Turkey has adjusted its foreign strategy in the long term to pursue pro-Western, into the EU's strategy to a more independent foreign emphasis on the emergence of the so-called 'Look East' trend. Chen Hu analyzed, since 2002 In the Justice and Development Party came to power, Turkey joined the EU long-term strategy for gradually lost enthusiasm in the West no longer follow the footsteps behind. In this context, Turkey's military procurement is no longer only the United States and Europe both options. In fact, Turkey has independently developed long-range artillery and main battle tanks jointly developed with South Korea.
In sales, the sale of the country in order to win orders, often promised transfer of technology. Defense against those who seek an independent country, it is very tempting. According to Agence France-Presse reported that Turkey has begun with China Precision Machinery Import and Export Company in Turkey to discuss cooperation matters manufacturing HQ-9 system.
Turkey, as one on the rise, there are ambitious regional power, the pursuit of strategic, long-range air defense system independent manufacturer, is logical. Chen Hu said.


How compatible with NATO air defense early warning system?

According to Defense News reports that Turkey may be difficult to buy a red flag -9 NATO anti-missile system with its existing integration. Western diplomats and experts have warned that Turkey could not be allowed to the – soil and soil air defense system within NATO's early warning system together.

"""""""""This is actually not a big problem. Chen Hu told reporters that the first air defense missile system has a complete independent combat capability. If you want to share with NATO air situation early warning information network, data link will appear incompatibility problems. The other side is impossible to NATO standard communication protocol to tell the Chinese, then you can stay out of communication exported by the Turkish themselves.
In fact, plus a secure module, they can solve the problems of data link communications, unlike so difficult to imagine. Chen Hu revealed road."""""""""""


How to prevent leaks?

""""""""""Many users worry that in a review, the red flag -9 sell NATO countries, will the Chinese anti-aircraft missile performance parameters, key technologies, as well as radar and signal frequency characteristics of these military secrets leaked to the U.S.?
There is a practice of international arms sales, sell weapons, several core aspects of the main equipment and their troops is certainly not the same. Chen Hu told reporters that the anti-aircraft missiles, for example, fire control radar-guided work band, as well as operational command and control software, FD-2000 equipped with the PLA HQ-9, must not the same, we do not need to worry.""""""""""""

Chen Hu: Export Turkish missiles and occupied different having to worry about leaks |
Chinese Missile Won Turkey's $ 3 Billion's Bill - DailyEconomic
Foreign Ministry Spokesperson Hong Lei's Regular Press Conference on September 27, 2013

If the prices above correct on average $ 6 Billion worth systems come to us half price $ 3 Billion plus bonus co-production co-development and tot. Its a bargain.

 

[madmusti]

T-LORAMIDS = Is a heavily modified co-produced (Turkey and China) version of the FD-2000. Designed to accommodate the special requirements of the Turkish Land Forces Command, it will feature Turkish produced and NATO compliant Command and Control Systems.

 

[-SINAN-]

All countries parasited by the JEW USA are lazy, incompetent, dependent who can only buy buy and buy again. So the JEW USA can exterminate them when it's good for them.

Your ignorance knows no limits, at least have look at Turkish Defence Industry than have a talk. You trashed every topic with your lame comments, dropped quality of the forum and yet mods let you.... It's unbelievable.

 

[UKBengali]

I think they are too dumb founded to make any comment by Turkish decision that they need to go and re evaluate their so called superior weapon.

The HQ-9 purchase by the Turks is a "coming out" party for the Chinese weapons industry.

Despite the naysayers, this is definite proof that the Chinese can match the Russians/West in arms technology.

Expect the Chinese to win export order of other weapons such as fighter planes, ships and submarines from relatively wealthy countries over the course of this decade.

 

[Sun Piwa]

Your ignorance knows no limits, at least have look at Turkish Defence Industry than have a talk. You trashed every topic with your lame comments, dropped quality of the forum and yet mods let you.... It's unbelievable.

F16, G3, US tanks

 

[Beast]

The HQ-9 purchase by the Turks is a "coming out" party for the Chinese weapons industry.

Despite the naysayers, this is definite proof that the Chinese can match the Russians/West in arms technology.

Expect the Chinese to win export order of other weapons such as fighter planes, ships and submarines from relatively wealthy countries over the course of this decade.

Chinese recently bag algeria frigate project. I hope Turkish will buy Chinese warship package too.

 

[Hafizzz]

The Americans must be really p!ssed because the Chinese firm that won the bid to supply Turkey with HQ9 was actually under USA sanction :

Chinese firm under U.S. sanctions wins Turkish missile deal

Chinese firm under U.S. sanctions wins Turkish missile deal | Reuters

 

[Beast]

The Americans must be really p!ssed because the Chinese firm that won the bid to supply Turkey with HQ9 was actually under USA sanction :

Chinese firm under U.S. sanctions wins Turkish missile deal

Chinese firm under U.S. sanctions wins Turkish missile deal | Reuters

The American are simply too arrogant. Who do they think they are to use such aggressive tone to warn against a sovereign nation like Turkey of buying a non NATO compatible weapon.

You reap what you sow.

 

[Hafizzz]

The American are simply too arrogant. Who do they think they are to use such aggressive tone to warn against a sovereign nation like Turkey of buying a non NATO compatible weapon.

You reap what you sow.

In the mean time, the USA is nothing but a toothless Tiger !

 

[Audio]

I was wondering if someone heard/seen comments/statements from NATO/US/Europe on the Turkish decision to go for the HQ-9 Air Defence System from China?

A Turkish decision to select a Chinese contender for the construction of the country’s first long-range air defense system may force Turkey into ending up with a “standalone” system with little or no integration with NATO assets like radars, official and industry sources have said.

“NATO members should be able to take action to prevent the integration of the Chinese system into any NATO asset deployed for Turkey’s protection from enemy missiles and aerial assets,” a NATO defense attaché in Ankara said.

A second defense official from a NATO member country confirmed this. “NATO would be extremely unwilling to cooperate for the integration of a system built on Chinese technology with any NATO asset,” he said.

Another defense expert said that for Turkey’s Western allies it was “technically possible to fully isolate that [Chinese] system.” That would force Turkey into the possession of a serious air and anti-missile defense architecture with the features of a “standalone” system, analysts said.

“It is difficult to understand how the Turks expect to build a solid air defense system that will most likely be deprived of NATO’s aiding assets,” a London-based analyst said.

Turkey may be forced to ‘standalone’ air defenses

 

[-SINAN-]

F16, G3, US tanks

TF-X, SAR 223, ALTAY

 

[Yzd Khalifa]

Your ignorance knows no limits, at least have look at Turkish Defence Industry than have a talk. You trashed every topic with your lame comments, dropped quality of the forum and yet mods let you.... It's unbelievable.

The Emarati Defense Industry is probably head and shoulders above his masters's western-free
" independent " States.