Supreme court allows detained Italian marine to go home

[janon]

Oh another sickular who thinks bail for christmas is the same as bail for stroke. Carry on.

The same old name caller without substance. Carry on.

1) He hasn't had a stroke.
2) There are hospitals in India.

 

[MarkusS]

They can live whatever life they want, when they are undertrials. They have not been convicted yet, and in India everybody is presumed innocent until proven guilty. Bail is the norm and jail is the exception for undertrials. What do you think, India should tell them how to live their lives? If they live a luxurious life, that doesn't make India a banana republic.

"and now this"? now what? We allowed one of them to go and get medical treatment on the condition that he will return, with the ambassador himself having to stand guarantee? That doesn't make us a banana republic either, it makes us normal, civilized people. Are you saying that letting your marine die of a stroke was the proper course of action?




Umm....You are not the EU. The people under trial are not the EU. It is a couple of Italian marines. They are individuals who committed murder, and at most you can claim they were representing Italy - not the EU.




Lying again. I asked you for a link for one of your claims earlier, and you did not provide one. I have to ask you to substantiate this claim, and I know for a fact that you will not be able to. You are again inflating your importance to Europe or the world The entire Europe is not going to jeopardize their trade for the sake of your two piddling marines. Understand that - nobody cares about them, nobody cares about your country. Here are the latest news reports about the FTA between India and EU:

'India willing to go ahead with free trade pact with EU' | Business Standard News
Free trade pact with EU possible | Business Standard News

The FTA talks with EU are proceeding as expected, and the issue of your silly marines has NEVER entered the picture. I will ask you again - show me a link that says EU has cancelled FTA talks for the sake of your incompetent marines.



You already told me how you see it. I asked you on what basis you formed the opinion, and you haven't answered that. Anyway it doesn't matter how you see it - the law is taking its course.




He hasn't had a stroke. You ought to improve your reading comprehension skills.

The marine went home on the guarantee of the ambassador. If the marine doesn't return, the ambassador will eat government food in jail. It's that simple. You are aware aren't you, that your country tried to pull that stunt earlier and had to eat humble pie? Declaring that the marines won't return and then backtracking and sending them back? That your minister had to resign for that stupidity?

Your country is smarter than you - they will not play that drama again. If they do, then your ambassador can enjoy Tihar jail.




The FTA will be signed or won't be signed, depending on the agreements and discussions. Your two retarded marines are not important enough for Europe to change its foreign policy. They don't enter the picture at all. As far as Europe is concerned, yes trade agreements and foreign relations are far more important than two monkeys with guns.

Now, if you have any integrity:
1) Give me links to your earlier claims that Italian forces have rescued Indians from pirates.
2) Give me links to your next claim that Europe has suspended FTA with India for the sake of your lousy marines.

If you can't do both the above, then feel sorry for your pathetic self.

2. FTA talks suspended, EU supports Italy 100%, German ambassador also says this hurts EU relations with india and so does EU foreign secretary Ashton:

BBC News - Italy warns India of European response to marines trial

Italy tells India handling of marines case could hurt EU ties| Reuters

La Gazzetta del Mezzogiorno.it

Italian marines’ issue may affect India-EU trade ties - The Times of India

Germany Supports Italy as Trial of Marines in Sea Killing Case in India Stalled

Germany backs Italy over case of marines in India | La Gazzetta del Mezzogiorno.it

India drops death penalty clause as Europe bats for Italian marines - The Hindu

German envoy backs Italian marines cause - Hindustan Times

After meeting Italian Prime Minister Enrico Letta in Brussels, Mr. Barroso warned that any decision on the case might have an impact on the overall EU-India relations and would be assessed carefully. “The EU encourages India to find, as a matter of urgency, a mutually satisfactory solution to the longstanding case of the Italian marines arrested in February 2012, in accordance with international law and the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea,” he said.

NEW DELHI: Could the stalled India-EU Free Trade Agreement (FTA) have become a victim of the ongoing diplomatic tussle between India and Italy over the issue of Italian marines charged with the killing of two Kerala fishermen?

The ambassador of Germany - the EU's most powerful country -- Michael Steiner set many thinking on Monday when he said India and the EU could achieve better results in their relations if the Italian marines' issue was resolved smoothly.

The ambassador insisted that he was not drawing any link between FTA, or the bilateral trade and investment agreement (BTIA), and the marines even though he brought the proposed agreement up while answering a question about the marine.

"Think about FTA... I don't want to link this... we have to (can) come to better results if atmosphere is right," he said, while making his point that a result oriented approach was required to resolve the issue. The ambassador said Italy had taken a "realistic" position over the marines.

Steiner was talking to journalists about the state visit of German President Joachim Gauck starting on Tuesday. Steiner said it was in the interest of all three parties -- India, Italy and the EU -- that the matter was resolved smoothly. "We have so much to do here together," he said.

There have been serious rumblings in the recent past in the EU about the manner in which India has handled the marines' issue. Its industry commissioner Antonio Tijani recently tweeted, "Can we keep negotiating FTA India when death penalty is considered against EU citizens fighting sea piracy? I think not." The EU ambassador to India Joao Cravinho recently said the FTA with India could now happen only in the first half of next year.

Your country is weak and does what the EU demands from it. Italy is just one member state of the EU. You attack italy, you attack the EU.

As for somali pirates, the EU has Operation Atalanta in charge. Fighting pirates and saving hostages. Since many members of internation shipping crews are indian nationals, i assure you that indians were indeed rescued

Operation Atalanta - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

My personal opinion about this? I think the next time we save hostages we should leave the indians there. It is the duty of your country to save them. Not ours. But we come from a higher advanced society and doing this would be morally bancrupt.

I understand this Theater for your general public. And it looks like it ends now.

Call it arrogance, but i assure you our marines will not be judged from your banana court. I´m sure of this.

 

[janon]

As for somali pirates, the EU has Operation Atalanta in charge. Fighting pirates and saving hostages. Since many members of internation shipping crews are indian nationals, i assure you that indians were indeed rescued

LOL. In other words, you cannot give me a single instance of Italian forces saving Indians. Thank you for confirming your nature as a liar and a clown.

Most countries have operations to guard against piracy - it is an international effort, and the Indian navy also contributes to it.

In future, don't make claims you cannot substantiate.

My personal opinion about this? I think the next time we save hostages we should leave the indians there. It is the duty of your country to save them.

You are entitled to your personal opinion. However, I am not interested in it, nor is anybody else.

But we come from a higher advanced society and doing this would be morally bancrupt.

I've already told you earlier about what I think about people who try to take collective pride in their society for lack of personal accomplishments. I really pity such losers.

I understand this Theater for your general public. And it looks like it ends now.

It's not a theater, and it won't end now.

2. FTA talks suspended, EU supports Italy 100%, German ambassador also says this hurts EU relations with india and so does EU foreign secretary Ashton:

Check the date of those links. Then check the dates of my links. Google "free trade agreement european union India" to know the latest status.

No, EU never suspended FTA talks for the sake of those two idiots. And they won't either, they know better.

Your country is weak and does what the EU demands from it.

No, it doesn't. It is Italy that is weak and tried to bite off more than it could chew by declaring that the marines won't return, and had to eat humble pie and send them anyway. And to reiterate, your country is not the EU. The entire Europe doesn't care for your drunkard marines. And BTW it isn't "my country" that is trying your drunkards. It is our law courts - they are independent of the executive. It's called separation of powers.

Anyway, you have demonstrated what a pathetic liar you are. Neither are the FTA talks suspended, nor have Italian forces rescued Indians from pirates. Since I am fully aware of your nature, and your pitiable need to seek pride in your community to make up for your shortcomings, I will not indulge you further unless you either backup your ridiculous claims, or bring something worthwhile into the discussion.

Once again, thank you for demonstrating what a liar you are.

 

[Indrani]

The same old name caller without substance. Carry on.

1) He hasn't had a stroke.
2) There are hospitals in India.

He had one, or at least that is what I read per reports. He is given a bail and where he wants to get treated is his call. Other reports mention he has cerebral ischemia which can lead to a stroke.

Italian Marine Being Treated for Mild Stroke, Rome to Seek His Return -The New Indian Express

The same old pussy who ran away after telling me that I would call JUBA's religion false and mine true and then claimed he never spoke of Hinduism. Also the same one who spoke about "religions" being detrimental to societies and confines religions to only Christianity and Islam.

 

[janon]

He had one, or at least that is what I read per reports. He is given a bail and where he wants to get treated is his call. Other reports mention he has cerebral ischemia which can lead to a stroke.

Italian Marine Being Treated for Mild Stroke, Rome to Seek His Return -The New Indian Express

The same old pussy who ran away after telling me that I would call JUBA's religion false and mine true and then claimed he never spoke of Hinduism. Also the same one who spoke about "religions" being detrimental to societies and confines religions to only Christianity and Islam.

Yes he is on bail, but going for treatment outside the country is NOT his call. That's for the govt and the court to allow or deny. If a congress govt had allowed it, I know what your reaction would have been.

Yes, I said you and Juba would call each other's religion false and your own as true. Am I wrong about that?

I did not talk about hinduism, and that statement was made in an entirely different context. The record of that conversation is stored on PDF for anybody to see, and I am not interested in talking about that on this unrelated thread.

I did not claim religions have to be necessarily detrimental to society - I sais some religious beliefs have directly led to horrible actions by believers, and that is indisputably true.

I did not say religions are confined to islam and christianity.

Now discuss the topic of this thread if you want, and refrain from bringing up unrelated threads just because you were embarrassed in those.

 

[Indrani]

Yes he is on bail, but going for treatment outside the country is NOT his call. That's for the govt and the court to allow or deny. If a congress govt had allowed it, I know what your reaction would have been.

UPA allowed the bail for Christmas. Can things get more ridiculous than that? Show me one good thing UPA did and which I opposed. I voted for UPA for the second term based on MMS' stand on nuclear deal.

Yes, I said you and Juba would call each other's religion false and your own as true. Am I wrong about that?

Did I call his religion false? Do I do the true religion and false religion thing? Do I have a prophet for my religion and a book which claims it to be a true religion?

I did not talk about hinduism, and that statement was made in an entirely different context. The record of that conversation is stored on PDF for anybody to see, and I am not interested in talking about that on this unrelated thread.

Oh please. The whole time you were arguing religions destroy society and then even showed that link which blew up in your face to prove that atheist societies are the best in everything. You even pointed out India is in the bottom of the list because of religion. Pray what religion is India identified with if not Hinduism? There is a limit to the amount of dishonesty anyone can display. May be you have no limits at all.

I did not claim religions have to be necessarily detrimental to society - I sais some religious beliefs have directly led to horrible actions by believers, and that is indisputably true.

No you never put any qualifier there.

I did not say religions are confined to islam and christianity.

Then I did specifically pointed out that religions do not mean only Islam even then you continued on with how religions are bad.

Now discuss the topic of this thread if you want, and refrain from bringing up unrelated threads just because you were embarrassed in those.

I already gave a good account of myself on this thread on this subject. I said UPA had trust deficit and hence our reactions. BJP as of yet does not have that situation with us. Even then before I read the report I had blamed the SC on this issue. Later on when pointed out that the govt did not object to the bail, I said it will be interesting to see what explanation the govt comes out with for its stance. But no, you went on to say I would dealt with UPA differently for the same stand? On what basis? On the basis that stroke is similar to Christmas celebration?

 

[janon]

UPA allowed the bail for Christmas. Can things get more ridiculous than that?

It's not UPA or NDA that gives bail, it is the law courts.

Did I call his religion false? Do I do the true religion and false religion thing? Do I have a prophet for my religion and a book which claims it to be a true religion?

As you yourself stated, you have made your views on islam pretty clear. Anyway that is irrelevant to this thread, and it is time you got over the burn.

Oh please. The whole time you were arguing religions destroy society and then even showed that link which blew up in your face to prove that atheist societies are the best in everything.

The link neither proved nor disproved my claims - it was irrelevant. I later put up the relevant link.

. You even pointed out India is in the bottom of the list because of religion.

I said no such thing.

No you never put any qualifier there.

Repeat: I did not say what you say I said.

ven then before I read the report I had blamed the SC on this issue.

Of course you did. Because you wouldn't want to blame the BJP led govt, would you?

 

[Indrani]

It's not UPA or NDA that gives bail, it is the law courts.

We are talking about govt attorney not opposing the bail.

As you yourself stated, you have made your views on islam pretty clear. Anyway that is irrelevant to this thread, and it is time you got over the burn.

What has my view on Islam got to do with true and false religion? Have you escaped from some asylum to talk off your hat?

The link neither proved nor disproved my claims - it was irrelevant. I later put up the relevant link.

No you did not. You put up a link about Global Peace Index which was more about insurgencies than general criminality of a society. Insurgencies which more often than not are funded by atheist societies.

I said no such thing.

You did and it is there for everyone to see.

Repeat: I did not say what you say I said.

More lies.

Of course you did. Because you wouldn't want to blame the BJP led govt, would you?

What is there to blame them for? I understand criminals are given bails for serious illnesses, so what were you saying again? What am I supposed to criticize them for? Just for the sake of it? Sorry I am not a dodo like the seculars.

 

[MarkusS]

Please, please, I beg you to keep this up. I love it when the other party has to keep resorting to these stupid insults when their lies are exposed. Enjoy the butthurt.

What insults? I see only facts. Do you honestly have the illussion that the life of your people matters in any way for us?

Nobody gives a shit about those two fishermen. We dont even know their names nor do we care.

One marine is free and other will follow soon. I will save your name here to mention you in a post when both are back home without ever being one day in indian jail.

 

[Imran Khan]

chal bhai chuti per jao kuch din ab

 

[Indrani]

Please give me a link to the post where I said that India is at the bottom because of religion.

Actually that link was to something entirely different. If you had read the note on top (I didn't either) you would have realized that it is about crime reporting rate, not the prevalence of actual crime. And they specifically state that more reporting is an indicator of better policing. That also explains why India is ranked at the bottom - not because crime rate is low, but because reporting is. Here is the quote from that website:

This in a discussion where you were trying to prove Saudi is at the bottom because of high criminality there and India is lower, then when pointed out that the list was opposite of what you claimed, you said India is in the bottom because they do not report crimes in India.

 

[janon]

What insults? I see only facts. Do you honestly have the illussion that the life of your people matters in any way for us?

Nobody gives a shit about those two fishermen. We dont even know their names nor do we care.

One marine is free and other will follow soon. I will save your name here to mention you in a post when both are back home without ever being one day in indian jail.

They won't be in an Indian jail, because India and Italy have a treaty that their citizens will serve time in the home country.

But both of them will be tried, and either convicted or set free depending on the merits of the case.

Since you are implying that this marine won't return and the other will also go back, I will also tag you when that happens or doesn't happen.

Once again I have to remind you what happened the last time they tried to pull such a trick. How do you account for that? Why did you send them both back, after saying you won't? Stop overestimating your importance.

We do have poverty, and you may post as many pictures of poor people to soothe your ego, but murderers will be tried in our courts and given the punishment they deserve.

@Chak Bamu : Are his posting of pictures of slums really pertinent here? I don't really mind, since it only exposes his desperation.

This in a discussion where you were trying to prove Saudi is at the bottom because of high criminality there and India is lower, then when pointed out that the list was opposite of what you claimed, you said India is in the bottom because they do not report crimes in India.

Repeat - show me where I said India is at the bottom because of religion.

I know you can't, so I will leave you to ruminate over things like honesty.

 

[Indrani]

Repeat - show me where I said India is at the bottom because of religion.
I know you can't, so I will leave you to ruminate over things like honesty.

LOL. I already did. Considering the whole thrust of your argument was religion is detrimental to society and that is why you brought in that link to show SA was at the bottom of the heap because of religion. I am not going to point out things again and again. What would you know about honesty? I do not think you have ever been acquainted with it.

 

[MarkusS]

They won't be in an Indian jail, because India and Italy have a treaty that their citizens will serve time in the home country.

But both of them will be tried, and either convicted or set free depending on the merits of the case.

Since you are implying that this marine won't return and the other will also go back, I will also tag you when that happens or doesn't happen.

Once again I have to remind you what happened the last time they tried to pull such a trick. How do you account for that? Why did you send them both back, after saying you won't? Stop overestimating your importance.

We do have poverty, and you may post as many pictures of poor people to soothe your ego, but murderers will be tried in our courts and given the punishment they deserve.

@Chak Bamu : Are his posting of pictures of slums really pertinent here? I don't really mind, since it only exposes his desperation.


Repeat - show me where I said India is at the bottom because of religion.

I know you can't, so I will leave you to ruminate over things like honesty.

And we both know they wont spend one day in jail. Why we did send them back? Because we had Monti as PM. A complete moron and "good guy" who believes in such bullshit actions. Such leftist fossils have no say anymore. I assure you this handling of the marine case was even one of the lesser shameful things he did.

 

[janon]

LOL. I already did.

Umm..No you didn't.

For the last time, I did not say India was at the bottom due to religion. Now please stop these off topic diversions.

And we both know they wont spend one day in jail. Why we did send them back? Because we had Monti as PM. A complete moron and "good guy" who believes in such bullshit actions. Such leftist fossils have no say anymore. I assure you this handling of the marine case was even one of the lesser shameful things he did.

Well, your govt did initially try to keep them home. Then realized that those two incompetent marines were not worth displeasing India. Your implying that the marine who is going to Italy for treatment will not return is laughable, given what we know of the previous instance.

If you do a crime, expect to serve the time. You pontificating about poverty or the "superiority" of your country will not help in a court of law.

Anyway this is my last message to you, since you have proved yourself unable to substantiate your own claims.