Supreme court allows detained Italian marine to go home

[HariPrasad]

Pathetic. Why should government allow him to go home? Modi was shouting too much now pissing in his pant.

 

[Indrani]

@Indrani lets agree to disagree, you will never find fault in BJP government and you wont find anything good in UPA too.. Its a waste of time arguing with you..

Why do you not admit that you lost the plot. That you do not have a single good thing to account for in the party you support. That you are miserable there is a Hindutva govt at the center which is giving you loose motions.

 

[Iggy]

Why do you not admit that you lost the plot. That you do not have a single good thing to account for in the party you support. That you are miserable there is a Hindutva govt at the center which is giving you loose motions.

Your arguments itself is supporting my claim.. You start with blaming judicary and when members pointed out that government didn't objected it, you started supporting that action.. Isnt it the same thing happened when congress was in power too irrespective of the condition of the marine?? Your reaction is predictable even if UPA government didnt object the bail citing the health condition of marine.. And about relief management, every one knows that a state government do not have resources to manage a relief work but since it was UPA who helped the state governments, you refuse to give them credit.. So what else is there to debate??

 

[Indrani]

Your arguments itself is supporting my claim.. You start with blaming judicary and when members pointed out that government didn't objected it, you started supporting that action.. Isnt it the same thing happened when congress was in power too irrespective of the condition of the marine?? Your reaction is predictable even if UPA government didnt object the bail citing the health condition of marine.. And about relief management, every one knows that a state government do not have resources to manage a relief work but since it was UPA who helped the state governments, you refuse to give them credit.. So what else is there to debate??

What do you mean irrespective of condition of marine? How can you even equate stroke with celebrations? There is something seriously wrong with you guys and your morality.

What do you mean UPA govt helped state govt? Did UPA govt bring the money from Italy? They did nothing. They sat there and the state govt had to coordinate everything. Unlike Omar who has done nothing, but all the Central ministers are looking after all the coordination work in Kashmir.

You cannot even produce a single report of the Center taking charge anywhere and now here you are claiming about great work done by UPA. Being taught about sky daddy apparently has made a habitual liar of you.

 

[Levina]

@Indrani
Well i am about to start my week end, and will be late in responding, mean while for emergency i depute certified secular's of PDF M/S @abjktu and @seiko @levina to respond till my return

Its an exercise in futility.The replies 're so predictable then why should one bang their head against a wall??

On topic:
I think its very logical that SC decided to let the sick marine go home.Government's no objection in this case is also understandable.It was on grounds of humanity that such an order was issued. Anyways hes not going home permanently.
And I am sure that this time Italy wont utter the mendacious nonsense it did last time (about a possible war and what not??? Uff)

 

[janon]

@MarkusS

Your thoughts please. This request must have exhausted a lot of Italy's diplomatic capital.



Are you saying if he doesn't return, GOI will keep the Italian ambassador as a hostage?

"Hostage" is not the correct word, and using that word discredits the legitimate process. That word is always used in a negative sense, and it is criminals and terrorists who take hostages. Even in theory it's not the same thing - hostages are returned when demands are met.

The correct word is "arrested". The ambassador has given a guarantee to the court that the marine will not flee, and it is on the strength of that guarantee that he is being allowed to leave temporarily. If he doesn't return, the ambassador will be arrested. That is what a guarantee in court means. It is part of the legal system in most countries. (I don't know about China.)

And yes, we would definitely arrest the ambassador in case his guarantee is not honoured. We threatened to do precisely that last time, and the marines were promptly returned on the appointed date, so no such action was taken. If they had not returned, or if they had not returned by the agreed time, the ambassador would have been arrested and criminal proceedings started against him. He would of course be allowed to have a lawyer and argue his case in court. These are the differences between and arrest and a hostage taking.

In short - if the marine doesn't return, the ambassador will be arrested for contempt of court, for not honoring his guarantee to the court.

 

[mujhaidind]

It exhausted nothing. Charging our two marines was stupid from the beginning and only damaged EU - India relations and cost both sides nerves and money. The EU-India Trade agreement was already stopped because this. International anti piracy operations are disturbed from this nonsense as well. After this one, the other will follow home and diplomats will let this simply fall under the rug and move on.

Even weak Italy bullies Modi's government. How will make India a superpower?

Two drunk white marines kill Indian fisherman in cold blood and they are being treated like VIPs by so-called nationalists.

 

[livingdead]

fcuk.. I cant talk to the italian kid here again..

 

[Hulk]

They've been in India for over two years now I think what the SC ordered was more than fair to be honest, it's crazy the case is taking this long to progress really. Anyway after the last drama I'm sure this guy will be back and anyway the other Marine is still in India.

This is very logical, however some over enthusiastic nationalist did not see it that way. The Marines are not criminals, they accidentally killed the fisherman and they should be shown leniency. The best solution is to give some compensation to victims and reduced sentence to Marines. I would like to separate criminals and accidental fire.

 

[Biplab Bijay]

I am back.

On topic. Its ok if he is sick and want to go home for treatment. But GOI should make sure that he must returns after treatment.

This is very logical, however some over enthusiastic nationalist did not see it that way. The Marines are not criminals, they accidentally killed the fisherman and they should be shown leniency. The best solution is to give some compensation to victims and reduced sentence to Marines. I would like to separate criminals and accidental fire.

It has already been done.

 

[janon]

@seiko : I'm sure you know that indrani and her ilk will never blame the BJP whatever they do, and will always find fault with the congress, not matter what they do. Why do you want to waste several pages arguing about it, when the other person will never admit a mistake or change her view? You have pointed out the obvious hypocrisy of some people, and that should be enough, don't you think?

Yes, it is quite true that the same action performed by two different parties will elicit two different responses by people with certain cognitive biases. If the congress did this, there would be pungent cries of "sickularism", "Italian govt", "vatican" and so on. When the BJP govt does the same sensible thing, its kosher.

On topic, obviously this is the right thing to do, and I'm pretty sure they will not try any tricks like the previous time. That fiasco cost them in many ways, and their foreign minister had to resign over the idiocy.

 

[mujhaidind]

But GOI should make sure that he must returns after treatment

Return for what? This.

From wiki:
The lifestyle of the two marines since their transfer to New Delhi from Kerala has been viewed as a provocation: Latorre and Girone are daily visitors to one of the best-known private clubs in New Delhi: the 'members-only' café-restaurant of the Italian Cultural Centre.[264] Indian media reported that the duo attended a party at the Vatican Embassy and were seen freely mingling with guests. "The way the duo are being paraded by the Ambassador and the manner in which the Catholic establishment is openly flirting with the accused is quite embarrassing", said a diplomat who attended the party.[265] The Italian ambassador Daniele Mancini and a prominent political leader of the ruling Congress party, Christy Fernandes, were also present.

So-called Indian nationalist party worships white people

 

[Biplab Bijay]

Return for what? This.

From wiki:
The lifestyle of the two marines since their transfer to New Delhi from Kerala has been viewed as a provocation: Latorre and Girone are daily visitors to one of the best-known private clubs in New Delhi: the 'members-only' café-restaurant of the Italian Cultural Centre.[264] Indian media reported that the duo attended a party at the Vatican Embassy and were seen freely mingling with guests. "The way the duo are being paraded by the Ambassador and the manner in which the Catholic establishment is openly flirting with the accused is quite embarrassing", said a diplomat who attended the party.[265] The Italian ambassador Daniele Mancini and a prominent political leader of the ruling Congress party, Christy Fernandes, were also present.

So-called Indian nationalist party worships white people

Is not it better than worshiping terrorist. ( Just replying to you on your own language)

On topic : Wiki is not an authentic source.

 

[janon]

Marines are not criminals, they accidentally killed the fisherman and they should be shown leniency.

That is for the courts to decide. You or I cannot judg such things. It is precisely for that reason that a free and fair trial will be conducted. If in the course of the trial it is established that the shooting was accidental and that the marines were blameless, then the court will set them free. But they have to undergo trial.

By the way, even if the killig wasn't intentional, it doesn't mean it was "accidental". There are many degrees of culpability. Unless they can demonstrate clearly why they thought the victims were a lethal threat, they will not go scot free. It's not premeditated murder - everybody agrees that much. But it could be culpable homicide not amounting to murder, or criminal negligence.

Anybody with a gun can shoot - the reason that only qualified, trained armed forces personnel are given the right to shoot, is because they are expected to know when to shoot - judicious use of force. Being marines, they should have known better than to shoot at unarmed people.

Return for what? This.

From wiki:
The lifestyle of the two marines since their transfer to New Delhi from Kerala has been viewed as a provocation: Latorre and Girone are daily visitors to one of the best-known private clubs in New Delhi: the 'members-only' café-restaurant of the Italian Cultural Centre.[264] Indian media reported that the duo attended a party at the Vatican Embassy and were seen freely mingling with guests. "The way the duo are being paraded by the Ambassador and the manner in which the Catholic establishment is openly flirting with the accused is quite embarrassing", said a diplomat who attended the party.[265] The Italian ambassador Daniele Mancini and a prominent political leader of the ruling Congress party, Christy Fernandes, were also present.

So-called Indian nationalist party worships white people

Umm...your quote mentions a congress party leader mingling with them.

Whichever party is in power, they cannot simply arrest the marines without proving the case first. It is upto the court whether to let them out on bail pending trial or not. The court has given them bail, and I don't see how any political party can prevent them from visiting any private club they want, or living their choice of lifestyle, as lng as they don't violate the terms of the bail.

FFS people, stop this ridiculous party politics.

 

[mujhaidind]

Is not it better than worshiping terrorist. ( Just replying to you on your own language)
On topic : Wiki is not an authentic source.

Would Italy free Indian marines if they did the same thing in their water territory?

Now stop worshipping your nationalist party.