Suggestions for Pakistan’s Bigger AWACS Aircraft: PAF Need

[aks]

thanx for pics mani

 

[Mani2020]

thanx for pics mani

You are thanking me and shooting me at the same time ,wow wat a diplomacy

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

We can't use any Militar transport units like C130 for AWACs setup cuz we alredy have very few C130

I mean seriously we have 12-15 C130

For 1 Million soliders and 50 milllion pounds worth of equipment we need to transport you see the problem or its just me

We really need to have 40 C130 in our Airforce for proper functioning of our Units
for supply and transport missions

 

[nomi007]

we try to get 1 more il-78 from Ukraine and convert that 1 into AWACS

 

[amardeep mishra]

The premise of the thread is wrong. PAF is not looking for an alternate to counter Phalcon's range. It makes no sense for the PAF to look for a capability that offers greater detection range than what the other side has. Currently both have a capability that is sufficient for surveillance and early warning. PAF's primary consideration in acquiring other options besides Erieye are two pronged, one is to not have reliance on a Western supplier and secondly getting additional AEW capability (beyond the 4 platforms) at more favourable financial terms so all of the combat assets can be tied together.

The initial point in the first post attributed to PAF that it requires something to match the Phalcon is the usual ill-informed analysis, usually motivated by the need to put down Pakistani acquisitions and capabilities. Practically and technically speaking, there is no such need. It would be a waste of money and time for PAF to go buy something that offers greater range and tracking than Phalcon just to say so that we have it.

Erieye does what we need it to do for us and its sufficient. Additional Chinese systems will help split the workload and give more flexibility in terms of employment.

i am rather inclined to think that many people here dont have basic knowledge about phased array radars,ok
now coming to the point of phalcon,it is indeed one of the best awacs systems in the world,because of it's high density TRMMs,which chinese havent been able to "duplicate" so far...
it is yet to be seen chinese patents related to TRMM developments and the TRMM density which they have accomplished in recent years..
by fair estimates,and since i am in this field,i can assure you that india's TRMM have higher density TRMM than their chinese counterparts...it is just the sheer political will and our PSUs that we lack the sort of manufacturing capability which china has...
other than that,india and china are fairly on same level when it comes to AESA radars,
though i will put the indian R&D and "PATENTs" slightly above chinese in terms of innovative technologies that have been created and accomplished by LRDE in recent years
thanks !

 

[DARKY]

i am rather inclined to think that many people here dont have basic knowledge about phased array radars,ok
now coming to the point of phalcon,it is indeed one of the best awacs systems in the world,because of it's high density TRMMs,which chinese havent been able to "duplicate" so far...
it is yet to be seen chinese patents related to TRMM developments and the TRMM density which they have accomplished in recent years..
by fair estimates,and since i am in this field,i can assure you that india's TRMM have higher density TRMM than their chinese counterparts...it is just the sheer political will and our PSUs that we lack the sort of manufacturing capability which china has...
other than that,india and china are fairly on same level when it comes to AESA radars,
though i will put the indian R&D and "PATENTs" slightly above chinese in terms of innovative technologies that have been created and accomplished by LRDE in recent years
thanks !

What Chinese got was the design features and some data on Elta-2075 Radar... Elta-2085 was the improved version while Elta-2090 is a new gen. all together.
IAF uses Elta-2090 on its Il-76 A-50 platforms.

It is undoubtedly and undisputedly the most powerful radar system used as AEW&C system. ... It has such a huge range that it can be used for Early warning for Ballistic missile launches in Enemy territory.

IMHO Phalcon would be an overkill in case of a conventional conflict scenario... the DRDO AWACS platforms fares well here.. as does the PAF SAAB 2000 Ere eye.

 

[MastanKhan]

i am rather inclined to think that many people here dont have basic knowledge about phased array radars,ok
now coming to the point of phalcon,it is indeed one of the best awacs systems in the world,because of it's high density TRMMs,which chinese havent been able to "duplicate" so far...
it is yet to be seen chinese patents related to TRMM developments and the TRMM density which they have accomplished in recent years..
by fair estimates,and since i am in this field,i can assure you that india's TRMM have higher density TRMM than their chinese counterparts...it is just the sheer political will and our PSUs that we lack the sort of manufacturing capability which china has...
other than that,india and china are fairly on same level when it comes to AESA radars,
though i will put the indian R&D and "PATENTs" slightly above chinese in terms of innovative technologies that have been created and accomplished by LRDE in recent years
thanks !

Hi,

My good man---In my readings, I have learnt that in passive weapons systems---you don't need to have the best of the best systems operational to do the job. An average system with an excellent crew and and officers that listens and entertain anything and everything that the operator is conveying may be the winning combination.

In active weapons systems---like the F22---you can say with surity---mine is the best---you can't in come close to it---and the opponent has to grudingly agree to it----but in radars and awacs and sensor type electronic equipment---do not underestimate the older product.

 

[chengdusudise]

i am rather inclined to think that many people here dont have basic knowledge about phased array radars,ok
now coming to the point of phalcon,it is indeed one of the best awacs systems in the world,because of it's high density TRMMs,which chinese havent been able to "duplicate" so far...
it is yet to be seen chinese patents related to TRMM developments and the TRMM density which they have accomplished in recent years..
by fair estimates,and since i am in this field,i can assure you that india's TRMM have higher density TRMM than their chinese counterparts...it is just the sheer political will and our PSUs that we lack the sort of manufacturing capability which china has...
other than that,india and china are fairly on same level when it comes to AESA radars,
though i will put the indian R&D and "PATENTs" slightly above chinese in terms of innovative technologies that have been created and accomplished by LRDE in recent years
thanks !

please, do not compare us with you indian, our GDP only 5 times of indians ,and our industry output only 10 times of indians ,our R&D expenditure only 7 times of indian ,so we are far far inferior and we REALLY do not want to compare with indian, peace!

 

[Alphacharlie]

please, do not compare us with you indian, our GDP only 5 times of indians ,and our industry output only 10 times of indians ,our R&D expenditure only 7 times of indian ,so we are far far inferior and we REALLY do not want to compare with indian, peace!

please share numbers with references.

 

[chengdusudise]

please share numbers with references.

you can google it by yourself ,sorry i really do not have interest to talk more with indians