SU-30's Cobra Maneuvers - A Treat for PAF Shaheen

[arp2041]

I CAME.....I SAW (the name of the OP) & NOW I M LEAVING

 

[HAIDER]

F-16 is fighter not bomber & bomber is luxury not many nation can afford.

Check out Isreali AF , they did conversion to new block . Pak AF new block can easily adopt the role bomber.

How about 180 degree.

take the odd too.

 

[karan.1970]

Check out Isreali AF , they did conversion to new block . Pak AF new block can easily adopt the role bomber.
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How many of those do you have?

 

[blufmaster]

Sorry Popcorn Lany Gya THa........... Anybody Have A Limcova....

 

[amanwas]

F 16 is a fighter jet and not a bomber. Bombers are usually large in sizes and require heavy engines.

 

[HAIDER]

From when f16 becomes a bomber. If f16 is a bomber then why America developed B2 spirit 1billion per piece.

The have more funds to invest in different classes of bomber. But F16 is excellent fighter bomber, for Pakistan need its perfect.

 

[DARKY]

take the odd too.

Like what.... engine malfunction.

 

[HAIDER]

How many of those do you have?

I think 18 . But new upgrade to older blocks has more loading capacity .

Like what.... engine malfunction.

anything lolzz...make it super craft...has cornet engine..

 

[Ayush]

YOU INDIAN GUYS ARE WELL IN PLAYING WITH WORDS.........BELIEVE ME YOU ARE QUITE AMUSING..........I REALLY ENJOY YOUR GAME.......MEIN AP JOKER LOGOON K LIYE KUCH KEHNA CHAHOON GA......"JO GARAJTY HAIN WO BARASTY NAI".

aur jab garajte hain to aapki country se bangladesh nikal dete hain..

 

[Manindra]

Check out Isreali AF , they did conversion to new block . Pak AF new block can easily adopt the role bomber

Israel adversary's are rag-tag , so thats needs some dumb bomb in little amount. Can any fighter do like this

 

[Guynextdoor2]

Albeit a bit dated but nonetheless interesting read on the plus and minuses of the IAF's SU-30.

@notorious_eagle @Oscar @Luftwaffe @ANTIBODY

SU-30's Cobra Maneuvers - A Treat for PAF Shaheen


By: Qasim Al-Yaldram

The disparity between the IAF and PAF has always been in numbers , since there inceptions. But the technological edge, as most people know, have always been PAF Shaheen's school of specialism. In 1965, PAF fighter pilot was interviewed upon which he said "They are falling like birds." For detail view click the following Pakistan Air Force Pilots of 1965 War -.

That was the state of readiness our PAF has ever been since.

India has been trying hard to cover the vacuum that PAF Shaheen legacy makers left. And to some extent they have been quite successful in acquiring the Mirage2000s (French) and recently Russian state of the art roll out SU-30 MKI. The aircraft has impressed many airforces around the globe including, Indonesia, Malaysia, Venezuela, China and India in particular. Recently, Indian Airforce has been able to couple SU-30MKI aircrafts with there own indigenously developed and Israeli acquired avionics, making it a lethal fighter plane then ever before.

However, the game is not over yet!!! The will to remain intact in the war, only decides a 'Victor'. SU-30MKI is equipped with some most advance Actice ESA RADAR system Phazotron, which can track upto 15 air targets including cruise missiles and helicopters. SU-30MKI can perform complex air combat maneuvers like Pugachev's Cobra, Cobra Turns and Kulbits. And above all, the best part of the parcel is, SU-30MKI has Thrust Vectoring capability which may seem, flawless.

Even said and agreed with the technological beauty of this plane. Yet, war is not all about technology and numerical disparity. It is the way how good, one can exploit the weakness of its adversary. SU-30MKI was designed for air superiority missions including air interception and ground attack capabilities. Its air maneuverability is improved by installing canards in the front. Yet it remains a heavy plane when in the air. Thrust vector may sound amazing, but the fact is, the true potential of thrust vectoring capability during a dogfight still remain a question of doubt as of today.

The thrust vectoring in SU-30MKI forms an introverted V shaped thrust, which does not pitch the aircraft as needed, in certain air combat maneuvers e.g. doing scissor. And very unlike in F-22 Raptor which has two dimensional pitched thrust. Therefore, when the thrust vectoring is implied, it creates massive drag for such iron mass in the air, consequently, SU-30MKI is unable to sustain its height instead, it starts sinking down. And before, SU-30MKI has completed its Cobra maneuver, the pilot may be looking for ejection button, as dozen of bullets have already been drilled in to its plane by an adversary.

SU-30MKI aircraft implies two Saturn Al-31FP turbofans, which gives good thrust to the aircraft. Yet, the quality of these engines due to Russian origin still remain highly susceptible as compare to RD-93(Advance version of Russian RD-33), Pratt & Whitney or even Rolls Royce. In case of any disruption of the engines, Indians Airforce has no other choice but to send the engines back to Russia to be fixed, rather repairing them at home.

The ability of any aircraft, is exhibited as soon as it can be airborne in real time situation. SU-3MKI needs one minute spacing to take-off. Where as PAF Shaheen has been able to reduce the airborne time of A-5 aircrafts to less then one minute, which are considered to be oldest aircrafts serving today. One minute spacing means, a window of time span for PAF Shaheen to attack and destroy the rest of the SU-30MKI planes getting ready for taxi.

Last but not the least, the man behind the weapon really matters. In some of the recent air exercises held by Indian and US Airforces together like Red Flag 2008. It was found that pilots of SU-30MKIs had less then 100 flying hours, altogether. Whereas PAF Shaheen are far more superior in terms of flying hours and quality of awareness towards the practicality of technology during the war. However, its not far when SU-30MKI pilots would enhance there flying hours, excavate the true potential of this aircraft and use it for there advantage.

The world is undergoing global force-repositioning phase, where every strong nation is getting ready for offensive. It is imperative that air war doctorine of PAF Shaheen should be revised and should put on offensive footing rather then ground support and air interception missions. PAF Shaheen are second to none even now. But much more work has yet to be done by fast forwarding the JF-17 induction and J-10 procurements. PAF Shaheen has to re-establish there objectivity in terms of Pakistan's vision of calling itself "FORT OF ISLAM". PAF Shaheen has to think out of geographic boundaries and have to start working on air superiority and surgical strikes mission in India and in middle eastern fronts.

This kind of swagger is common among all forces. We can pull a dozen of these about what Indians say about PAF counterparts. You don't do real battle planning basis such silly declarations. Our pilots spend more time training=BETTER training, do more operations, get the best equipment and spend their days and nights practicing inside our with other countries---way way more than yours. I don't think there's an equivalent of NSTF in pak. Our boys include test pilots with more aggressive involvement in development than your counterparts.

Explain to me what magic essence makes you think your boys are still better? Coz they made a cool looking video in which they spoke in perfect english?

 

[PoKeMon]

I think 18 . But new upgrade to older blocks has more loading capacity .



anything lolzz...make it super craft...has cornet engine..

PAF can not afford to use their F-16 block 52 in a multirole(say as a bomber) simply because they will need them against air dominance fighters like Su-30 MKI. 18 is so less a number to counter indian dominance over pakistan skies leave alone making any offensive sorty.

 

[Guynextdoor2]

As a former US test pilot puts it, Cobra is indeed thrilling and a crowd pleaser but in a battle the last thing you would want is to be out of power out of energy and just hanging in the air.....you might cause your chaser to overshoot but for anyone else out there with a decent round, you're just a sitting duck. !!

If Cobra is overrated, our boys won't depend upon it, no matter how publicized it is.

 

[DARKY]

anything lolzz...make it super craft...has cornet engine..

Thats 1 out of 10000 cases.... you should be more worried about single engine short legged ones.

 

[Jungibaaz]

As a former US test pilot puts it, Cobra is indeed thrilling and a crowd pleaser but in a battle the last thing you would want is to be out of power out of energy and just hanging in the air.....you might cause your chaser to overshoot but for anyone else out there with a decent round, you're just a sitting duck. !!

I'm not just talking about cobra, all air show type manoeuvres.
TVC does has it's advantages, you can pull-off impressive cobra like stunts and also improves turn rates, however it also has it's disadvantages, use of TVC bleeds energy and you can see that in almost all cobra videos, the Sukhoi goes into a nose dive immediately after cobra and recovers.