SU-30's Cobra Maneuvers - A Treat for PAF Shaheen

[DARKY]

I wonder how can an aircraft with primitive KLJ-7 radar affords to get in an aerial fight with upgraded IAF fighters.

KLJ-7 is no more the same It has been tweaked and squeaked and then again squeaked and tweaked so it detects Su30 before Su30 see it.

 

[OrionHunter]

After reading this I am going mad. AL-31 Saturn is inferior because it is russian but RD-93 is superior because it is used in JF-17 & made by marsians .

Not made by Martians! The RD-93 is used in the JF-17 but procured by the Chinese from Russia and assembled in Pakistan!! Confusion confounded!! Jeeez!

 

[Skull and Bones]

KLJ-7 is no more the same It has been tweaked and squeaked and then again squeaked and tweaked so it detects Su30 before Su30 see it.

They just reduced the resolution to increase the range, and because of that, the chances are IAF birds of lower RCS (read Mirage-2000, Mig-29SMT or Tejas) will get in too close before KLJ-7 can detect it.

 

[Windjammer]

I thought your misrepresentations were limited to putting pictures of Indian companies and calling them Pakistani, but you seem to be progressing well.. You now have graduated to assigning your fails to others

Do you have anything to contribute other than repeating same nonsense in every thread....why a cry baby when you're gifted a pink saree.....seems you have acquired a taste for it. !!

 

[DARKY]

Not made by Martians! The RD-93 is used in the JF-17 but procured by the Chinese from Russia and assembled in Pakistan!! Confusion confounded!! Jeeez!

Strangely enough the **** poor RD-93 becomes un-damagable and PAF sheens fly them so it don't need repairs[read momins devine strength] and certainly will not be sent to Russia for overhauls and repairs.

 

[Skull and Bones]

Is the boggy driving a rocket? or it dont know how to make a turn and pump holes in an already falling debris ?

Too desperate to pump holes? Can't you guys afford AAMs linked with HMDs? Or still living in the glorious 60s. Aircraft with modern AAMs can hit a bird at it's 6.

 

[karan.1970]

Do you have anything to contribute other than repeating same nonsense in every thread....why a cry baby when you're gifted a pink saree.....seems you have acquired a taste for it. !!

Ah! down to threats now

 

[flightlieutenantshikari]

The Su 30 MKI one launch per one minute is utter nonsense,its a peace time plan, we are capable of getting two su 30 aircrafts in air in one go,6 mirage vajras in one go and 4 jags in one go,

 

[shree835]

Albeit a bit dated but nonetheless interesting read on the plus and minuses of the IAF's SU-30.

@notorious_eagle @Oscar @Luftwaffe @ANTIBODY

SU-30's Cobra Maneuvers - A Treat for PAF Shaheen


By: Qasim Al-Yaldram

The disparity between the IAF and PAF has always been in numbers , since there inceptions. But the technological edge, as most people know, have always been PAF Shaheen's school of specialism. In 1965, PAF fighter pilot was interviewed upon which he said "They are falling like birds." For detail view click the following Pakistan Air Force Pilots of 1965 War -.

That was the state of readiness our PAF has ever been since.

India has been trying hard to cover the vacuum that PAF Shaheen legacy makers left. And to some extent they have been quite successful in acquiring the Mirage2000s (French) and recently Russian state of the art roll out SU-30 MKI. The aircraft has impressed many airforces around the globe including, Indonesia, Malaysia, Venezuela, China and India in particular. Recently, Indian Airforce has been able to couple SU-30MKI aircrafts with there own indigenously developed and Israeli acquired avionics, making it a lethal fighter plane then ever before.

However, the game is not over yet!!! The will to remain intact in the war, only decides a 'Victor'. SU-30MKI is equipped with some most advance Actice ESA RADAR system Phazotron, which can track upto 15 air targets including cruise missiles and helicopters. SU-30MKI can perform complex air combat maneuvers like Pugachev's Cobra, Cobra Turns and Kulbits. And above all, the best part of the parcel is, SU-30MKI has Thrust Vectoring capability which may seem, flawless.

Even said and agreed with the technological beauty of this plane. Yet, war is not all about technology and numerical disparity. It is the way how good, one can exploit the weakness of its adversary. SU-30MKI was designed for air superiority missions including air interception and ground attack capabilities. Its air maneuverability is improved by installing canards in the front. Yet it remains a heavy plane when in the air. Thrust vector may sound amazing, but the fact is, the true potential of thrust vectoring capability during a dogfight still remain a question of doubt as of today.

The thrust vectoring in SU-30MKI forms an introverted V shaped thrust, which does not pitch the aircraft as needed, in certain air combat maneuvers e.g. doing scissor. And very unlike in F-22 Raptor which has two dimensional pitched thrust. Therefore, when the thrust vectoring is implied, it creates massive drag for such iron mass in the air, consequently, SU-30MKI is unable to sustain its height instead, it starts sinking down. And before, SU-30MKI has completed its Cobra maneuver, the pilot may be looking for ejection button, as dozen of bullets have already been drilled in to its plane by an adversary.

SU-30MKI aircraft implies two Saturn Al-31FP turbofans, which gives good thrust to the aircraft. Yet, the quality of these engines due to Russian origin still remain highly susceptible as compare to RD-93(Advance version of Russian RD-33), Pratt & Whitney or even Rolls Royce. In case of any disruption of the engines, Indians Airforce has no other choice but to send the engines back to Russia to be fixed, rather repairing them at home.

The ability of any aircraft, is exhibited as soon as it can be airborne in real time situation. SU-3MKI needs one minute spacing to take-off. Where as PAF Shaheen has been able to reduce the airborne time of A-5 aircrafts to less then one minute, which are considered to be oldest aircrafts serving today. One minute spacing means, a window of time span for PAF Shaheen to attack and destroy the rest of the SU-30MKI planes getting ready for taxi.

Last but not the least, the man behind the weapon really matters. In some of the recent air exercises held by Indian and US Airforces together like Red Flag 2008. It was found that pilots of SU-30MKIs had less then 100 flying hours, altogether. Whereas PAF Shaheen are far more superior in terms of flying hours and quality of awareness towards the practicality of technology during the war. However, its not far when SU-30MKI pilots would enhance there flying hours, excavate the true potential of this aircraft and use it for there advantage.

The world is undergoing global force-repositioning phase, where every strong nation is getting ready for offensive. It is imperative that air war doctorine of PAF Shaheen should be revised and should put on offensive footing rather then ground support and air interception missions. PAF Shaheen are second to none even now. But much more work has yet to be done by fast forwarding the JF-17 induction and J-10 procurements. PAF Shaheen has to re-establish there objectivity in terms of Pakistan's vision of calling itself "FORT OF ISLAM". PAF Shaheen has to think out of geographic boundaries and have to start working on air superiority and surgical strikes mission in India and in middle eastern fronts.

PLEASE HELP ME TO UNDERSTAND…As per your claim you have amazing Air Force, Army and Navy …. Then why PAKISTAN lost each and every war with India till kargil, and why your amazing Army (around lacks Personals) surrendered, ON THE KNEE.

 

[DARKY]

They just reduced the resolution to increase the range, and because of that, the chances are IAF birds of lower RCS (read Mirage-2000, Mig-29SMT or Tejas) will get in too close before KLJ-7 can detect it.

Well that would make it an interceptor... much like grandfather Mig21s.... oh wait I used the wrong name here.

 

[Manindra]

Not made by Martians! The RD-93 is used in the JF-17 but procured by the Chinese from Russia and assembled in Pakistan!! Confusion confounded!! Jeeez!

Then I will demand to GOI to stop making AL-31 Saturn in HAL , authorize a broker (China) for purchasing from Russia.
Thats after our engine become superior.

 

[HAIDER]

Pogachev Cobra when done in a High speed chase is an effective way to bring the bogey infront of you.

An experience pilot with a good air doctrine can do wonders with su 30 MKI.

What ever maneuvers pilots perform during air shows are very slow when done in high speed dogfight they will out class the other fighter.

Its no possible at high speed. For every maneuvers , plane has to lower the speed. Enough time for enemy plane to lock the target. Reduce , change the path then again gain the momentum . This procedure need lot of gas and time. Its not more then acrobat feature.

 

[Windjammer]

Ah! down to threats now

No threats mate, just stop behaving like a headless Chicken in every thread.....some input would be appreciated.

 

[Skull and Bones]

Well that would make it an interceptor... much like grandfather Mig21s.... oh wait I used the wrong name here.

Interceptors mainly relies on ground feeds, and activates their on board radars at the final stage to lock on the targets.

Its no possible at high speed. For every maneuvers , plane has to lower the speed. Enough time for enemy plane to lock the target. Reduce , change the path then again gain the momentum . This procedure need lot of gas and time. Its not more then acrobat feature.

A serious 'lol' statement.

Ever heard of the term 'High G-Turns'.

 

[Srinivas]

Its no possible at high speed. For every maneuvers , plane has to lower the speed. Enough time for enemy plane to lock the target. Reduce , change the path then again gain the momentum . This procedure need lot of gas and time. Its not more then acrobat feature.

No .... Pogachev cobra can be performed at high speeds, I have seen the video lost it now.

This maneuver is very effective during high speed chases.