Strength of alliance between India-Isreal

[Vinod2070]

BTW, I know you won't touch the real issues. You will just try to dance around them.

You can't help it. I know the reason as much as you know.

 

[KS]

Sigh...
IntelliBriefs: How Israel helped India win the Kargil War

Tel Aviv stepped in with unmanned reconnaissance aircraft or drones in the battle zone to assist India direct its war effort. This was one force multiplication Pakistan had not reckoned with.

That was not the quote of the ACM. It was of the blogger.

Kinda hard to claim victory when the enemy is holding your peaks. Which we were until Israel bailed you out.

As I said what matters is the end-result.Which is deep frying of Pak's rear. and Pak PM running on his hind legs to US to bail him out.

You dont know nilch about Kargil my friend - Israel helped us but ultimately what was the decisive was bravehearts like Cpat.Vikram Batra and ofcourse the long shooting Bofors.

Different subject and I don't know much about the details of 1965 to pass judgement.

Different subject ?? - for that last 25 pages it has been "different subject" only.

I am not asking you the details - in Pakistan they say Pak won the 1965 war defeating India. What is your opinion ?

We are able to empathize with others and see things from their point of view.

It's a Good Thing. You should try it some time.

You never cease to amaze me. O chinese ! where art thou ??

So, no response, eh? I didn't really expect one.

That was my response. Perhaps you are too shocked/confused to realize that.

It's an open forum. I maintained my discussion about Israel, India and Islam. I did not bring Pakistan into it, you guys did.

The discussion was about India-Israel relations and not about Islam when you contemptuously brought it inside likening it to an anti-Islam alliance and then as an anti-Pak alliance.

 

[Vinod2070]

Did you invent the phrase?
By that logic, you have been flattering me throughout the thread by reusing the bit about living vicariously.
It shows the extent of your desperation that you are pathetically trying to salvage your pride by claiming ownership of English phrases.

And I thought English was your first language! You certainly claimed that.

When I see a phrase repeated within a space of a few posts (and more than once) it shows something.

The cat's out of the bag. No amount of tap dancing and sugar coating will hide the fact that some people in India justify their continuing Islamophoba and anti-Pakistan obsession because the ancient invasions and partition are still an "open wound" for them.

I know you are itching to be their inheritors. But sorry, you remain converts and victims irrespective of your pretensions.

The contempt with which the Arabs, Persians and other invaders still treat you is proof enough of that.

I know. You are still stuck in the past.
Akhand Bharat ain't happening. Get with it or get therapy.

It has a better chance than you "forcing" Jews from Israel!

After all, the issue is the same, only on a larger scale in the subcontinent.

Suuure.
You brought up ancient invasions in the context of the Palestinians.
We know exactly how you guys feel about all Muslims, including Indian Muslims.
"Open wound" indeed.

You brought Islam here, not we. You only got responses to the issues you raised.

The air marshall only mentioned UAVs. The blogger calls them Herons. The air marshall's quoted statement remains valid regardless of the the blogger's comments.

Again a blog is all you got! A blog that has been discredited already for being factually wrong. You are still trying to salvage some pride!

Uh no. India was floundering until Israel saved yout as$. I'll take your military man's word for it.

From a blog that has been proven to be factually wrong already? Any better source?

The rest of your (and Vinod's) posts are the usual off-topic forays.
By now we know what it means when you guys start running off into diversions and flat out fabrications...

Lol, aren't they Islamophobic as well!

I am disappointed.

We have seen how you guys have trouble with math, logic, history, geopolotics and English.
Let's add amnesia to the list, since we've already covered the dynamics of China-Israel relationship.

You have made a real joke of yourself.

 

[Vinod2070]

Nobody's disowning anything. Muslim history as as much a part of our legacy as anything else.

Read "Among the believers" by V S Naipaul (Sir Vidia).

I understood your mentality after reading this book. A fascinating read.

It tells one why a convert needs to become Arab and why it remains a futile quest even after a thousand years.

We see that happening in Pakistan but also in so many other places.

Great insight that man has!

It is the Islamophobic Indians who are committed to disowning a part of their own history.

No one is disowning anything. Just like the Mongol massacres are a history of China and Central Asia and the sack of Baghdad and the trampling of the Caliph under horse hooves is part of the history of Arabs, we have a tragic part of our history too.

By that logic, since Buddhism was mostly eradicated from India by militant Hinduism, the descendents of all the Buddhists who converted to Hinduism are now celebrating their oppressors.

Your lack of knowledge is funny. And typical of commies and Islamists.

Little fact in it though.

Buddhism was just a branch of Hinduism, a reformist movement. Apologists like you want to justify the Islamic barbarity with these kinds of comments but it doesn't work.

 

[Vinod2070]

It is indeed off-topic, but it serves the very useful purpose of exposing the roots of Islamophobia amongst some Indians.

That festering "open wound"...

Your Goebbalese is not working and it shows you have lost.

All you have to shout now is Islamophobia because you have been completely exposed.

So have been your moral pretensions and hypocrisies and "premises".

 

[Vinod2070]

Though offtopic a look at the names of their weapons shows how much they are disconnected from their past - Al-khalid, Babur,Ghauri. No Porus, no Dahir .

Read "Among the believers" by V S Naipaul.

Will tell you why like no other book.

After reading that book, I can now understand why they behave this way that would seem totally counter intuitive to every other human being. E.g. Christians in Pakistan don't identify more with USA or Britain just because of shared religion, they know identity and roots are different from religion.

I can understand it now, I can't say that I empathize with it.

It still seems so unnatural. You need to likely get almost brainwashed to be able do this.

And they keep on doing it even after Arabs and Persians treat them as "not first class" I have seen enough of that first hand.

 

[Vinod2070]

Well if they want to disown the legacy of their ancestors and embrace the legacy of invaders and looters (based on the names of thier missiles) then its there own choice... we cant do anything about it ....

Disassociation from shivaji and Ashoka to come closer to ghauri and ghazniavi seems idiotic to me. Although aurangazeb was an indian ruler ... but he was evil so we hate him same applies to the invaders... If same follows, future pakistan might end up disassociating more of its prominent founders and leaders to leaders of the Arab world ...what will remain is just hatred for indians

The whole structure stands on hate and lies.

I remember seeing a Pakistani TV program on youtube with the typical wailing and crying about Indian cultural invasion. They showed some small kids praying to God in traditional Hindu way and some women talking of their liking for Indian TV serials.

What followed was a lot of anti India and anto Hindu diatribe and then a Mulla let the cat slip out of the bag.

He said along the lines of: If we watch them, we will lose our hate for Hinduism and Hindus and we will lose Islam as well.

And we see this guy having the gall of accusing us of Islamophobia and hate!

 

[KS]

Read "Among the believers" by V S Naipaul.

Will tell you why like no other book.

After reading that book, I can now understand why they behave this way that would seem totally counter intuitive to every other human being. E.g. Muslims in Pakistan don't identify more with USA or Britain just because of shared religion, they know identity and roots are different from religion.

I can understand it now, I can't say that I empathize with it.

It still seems so unnatural. You need to likely get almost brainwashed to be able do this.

And they keep on doing it even after Arabs and Persians treat them as "not first class" I have seen enough of that first hand.

^^^ Will definitely attempt to read it as even I have thought about for some time now - the urge to identify with the invadersm. Can I get an e-book link ,if any BTW

 

[Vinod2070]

^^^ Will definitely attempt to read it as even I have thought about for some time now - the urge to identify with the invadersm. Can I get an e-book link ,if any BTW

There seem to be some ******** and downloads on the Web. Try them. Just do a google.

Highly recommended. We have to know what we are dealing with.

 

[Vinod2070]

Pakistan strangely percieves itself as being the shield of the Muslim world. I wouldn't be surprised if in a 100 years time Pakistanis claim that Islam and the Prophet of Islam (PBUH) was born in Pakistan

The stubborn stance of Pakistan to refuse any dealings with Israel benefitted India. When the Islamic world realised that the state of Israel was a fact which could not be wished away and started doing business with Israel, Pakistan refused to consider invitations from Israel whilst India jumped at the opportunity. Now Israel to India is akin to China to Pakistan. Trade and military exchange growth, partners in many ventures and strong trust.

Actually, they are doing no different from what others have done before them.

Persians, Egyptians, North Africans.....

They all lost a rich culture and heritage like them.

Only, in the case of India, the civilization was strong enough to survive that black period of intolerance and barbarism.

Now, we see that the tide is turning. Persians are yearning to go back to the roots and rejecting what was imposed on them by the invaders.

Once they do that, the floodgates may open in many other places. Who knows.

 

[Vinod2070]

This thread reached its death a long time ago.
Now we are just going in circles, with each side repeating the same thing over and over.

The thread started out about India-Israel relationship, then Kathric posted an article which raised the question of how it would be viewed by some unspecified percentage of Indian Muslims. Then an Indian Muslim proclaimed his support for the alliance, and the whole Islam angle took off. It should have been a short diversion but Indians took it as an opporunity to post a laundry list of all the evils done by Muslims throughout world history...

No, we just exposed your premises and hypocrisy.

Some of it is still left because in your infinite wisdom, it is "off topic" and I am playing along.

But it will be the "topic" soon. I can guarantee you that. One of you will make it the topic when bragging about how great those invaders were.

We can discuss it at that point.

 

[Vinod2070]

Developereo needs a life hes been on this thread for 3 days on the roll God knows why he so concerned about Indo-Israel relations when he is a Pakistani

Isn't it obvious from the highlighted?

He is concerned precisely because he is a Pakistani and he knows the relationship helps both countries that he so passionately hates.

 

[Vinod2070]

One big thing that these people just can't understand is that Buddhism was just a reforming movement in Hinduism. It was not a new religion as far as Gautam Budhha was concerned. He was himself a Sanatan Dharmi.

There were several reformist movements throughout the history of religion whenever rituals overtook the essence of the religion.

In our terminology, it was a "Darshan" or a new way of looking at Dharma and way of living.

It expanded in India when it had the support of the rulers. It was never about "conversion" as you convert to Middle Eastern religions.

Buddha is a holy figure in our tradition.

Buddhism suffered the most at the hands of the barbaric Islamic invaders. All over Central Asia, Afghanistan, Pakistan and many areas in India.

Funny to see these Islamists coming up with excuses to justify the atrocities on their own ancestors by the barbarians.

And then they claim to have moved on.

It doesn't work. They are too transparent, not sophisticated enough.

 

[perplexed]

Israel, India and China has the best brains in the world. Now that India and Israel is on one side, will make China run off his a*s.
And the same fate awaits its Chelas.

 

[Vinod2070]

This thread reached its death a long time ago.
Now we are just going in circles, with each side repeating the same thing over and over.

The thread started out about India-Israel relationship, then Kathric posted an article which raised the question of how it would be viewed by some unspecified percentage of Indian Muslims. Then an Indian Muslim proclaimed his support for the alliance, and the whole Islam angle took off. It should have been a short diversion but Indians took it as an opporunity to post a laundry list of all the evils done by Muslims throughout world history...

Wasn't history one of the laundry list of subjects which you listed where we sucked?

You could have just blown it apart with your superior knowledge as you presumed in the initial part of the thread.

Tell you what, next time leave this superior air at home. It has been so thoroughly exposed on this thread for all to see.

You have neither moral nor any other kind of superiority. In fact quite the reverse.

Your accusations of Islamophobia on every other post only shows that you have lost. A refutation of facts doesn't need making those kind of accusations, it is only a loser's last resort. In your case it is the first resort.

And guess what, overuse has rendered your ultimate weapon ineffective. Now I take it as a compliment of sorts. It just shows that you have no facts to counter the issue.

a laundry list of all the evils done by Muslims throughout world history...

You sure we covered it all.