Stop violence against Christians in Karnataka

[KS]

That's not true. Sahih Bukhari is not accepted by many Muslim denominations & Muslims out there, let's not go there. You can be a Muslim without accepting the Sahih Bukhari, you cannot be a Muslim without accepting the Quran. The Quran is accepted by everyone.

"lets not go there".....how cute..

Fine how about this ?

"They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them" - Quran 4:89

"But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then are they your brethren in religion. We detail Our revelations for a people who have knowledge. And if they break their pledges after their treaty (hath been made with you) and assail your religion, then fight the heads of disbelief - Lo! they have no binding oaths - in order that they may desist." - Qur'an (9:11-12)

In Sura 4:88-89 Allah tells the prophet how to deal with these particular hypocrites.

4:88-89 Then what is the matter with you that you are divided into two parties about the hypocrites? Allah has cast them back (to disbelief) because of what they have earned. Do you want to guide him whom Allah has made go astray? And he whom Allah has made to go astray, you will never find for him any way (of guidance) 89 They wish that you reject (Faith), and thus that you all become equal (like one another). So, take not Auliya (protectors or friends) from them, till they emigrate in the way of Allah (to Muhammad). But if they turn back (from Islam), take (hold of) them and kill them wherever you find them . . . .

Still wanna defend ?

 

[LaBong]

No, the role of Christians in power who interpreted Christianity in a certain way played its role there. If Christianity the religion itself had played the role, then Christianity would have been banned from America completely. It is not.

So there must be something inherently weak in Christianity as a whole so that it can be interpreted and used by those who are in power!

 

[53fd]

"lets not go there".....how cute..

Fine how about this ?

These have nothing to do with apostasy.

In Sura 4:88-89 Allah tells the prophet how to deal with these particular hypocrites.

Still wanna defend ?

Hypocrites (munafiqs) have nothing to do with apostasy.

 

[KS]

There is no such thing as Islamic culture. Culture is culture, & is defined by your nation/country/region; not the religion. Pakistan has a different culture from many Islamic/Muslim nations.

Quoted for the next time some fanboi opens a thread of about how the "Islamic culture" did this , did that when it was actuallly the Arab and Persian culture..

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These have nothing to do with apostasy.



Hypocrites (munafiqs) have nothing to do with apostasy.

Ofcourse they have everything to do with apostasy - But if they turn back (from Islam), take (hold of) them and kill them wherever you find them . . . ....definition of apostasy...

 

[53fd]

Quoted for the next time some fanboi opens a thread of about how the "Islamic culture" did this , did that when it was actuallly the Arab and Persian culture..

Pakistan borders Iran & Afghanistan, so it gets Persian culture from there. Arab culture is "foreign", but cultures evolve with time, they are not static.

 

[Areesh]

Why just stop there? Pakistan "based groups" also caused gujarat,1984 riots, dozens of insurgencies, and every single internal problem in india too

Well that what it is. Secular Bharat ki sickular soch.

 

[harshad]

There is no such thing as Islamic culture. Culture is culture, & is defined by your nation/country/region; not the religion. Pakistan has a different culture from many Islamic/Muslim nations.

religion plays an important role in shaping the culture,nation and region play a part but you cannot ignore religion
like chinese culture is dominated by buddhist,taoism,etc
hinduism,sikh,islam,etc in india
christianity in most european nations

 

[LaBong]

That's not true. Sahih Bukhari is not accepted by many Muslim denominations & Muslims out there, let's not go there. You can be a Muslim without accepting the Sahih Bukhari, you cannot be a Muslim without accepting the Quran. The Quran is accepted by everyone.

True, but that doesn't invalidate the claim that those of who accept Bukhari are Muslims as well.

 

[53fd]

Ofcourse they have everything to do with apostasy - But if they turn back (from Islam), take (hold of) them and kill them wherever you find them . . . ....definition of apostasy...

It has nothing to do with apostasy. First of all, the words inside the brackets/parentheses are not the words of the Quran. Secondly, this verse is describing a certain situation, in times of war. Nothing to do with apostasy. As I said, your knowledge of Islam is lacking.

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True, but that doesn't invalidate the claim that those of who accept Bukhari are Muslims as well.

No, but it doesn't make their actions Islamic, or in accordance to Islam.

 

[KS]

It has nothing to do with apostasy. First of all, the words inside the brackets/parentheses are not the words of the Quran. Secondly, this verse is describing a certain situation, in times of war. Nothing to do with apostasy. As I said, your knowledge of Islam is lacking.

It is written in plain sight that But if they turn back (from Islam), take (hold of) them and kill them wherever you find them..

If that is not apostasy then I wonder what is...As usual the claim is busted and then semantics kicks in....

Give up...it is clear that even Quranic verses mandate death penalty for Apostasy...Why are you taking pains to deny your own religion--the supposed perfect word of God ?

Pakistan borders Iran & Afghanistan, so it gets Persian culture from there. Arab culture is "foreign", but cultures evolve with time, they are not static.

Just waiting for the next thread about "Islamic culture"...

 

[LaBong]

It has nothing to do with apostasy. First of all, the words inside the brackets/parentheses are not the words of the Quran. Secondly, this verse is describing a certain situation, in times of war. Nothing to do with apostasy. As I said, your knowledge of Islam is lacking.

In other words, it's subjected to interpretation, ie it can be interpreted in many ways(something to do with Arabic language). Tell me why The God needed to obfuscate? The words of The God should be bold and clear, He is giving orders to his subjects, not writing poetry!

 

[53fd]

It is written in plain sight that But if they turn back (from Islam), take (hold of) them and kill them wherever you find them..

If that is not apostasy then I wonder what is...As usual the claim is busted and then semantics kicks in....

The Qur'an itself does not prescribe any earthly punishment for apostasy; Islamic scholarship differs on its punishment, ranging from execution - on an interpretation of certain hadiths — to no punishment at all as long as they "do not work against the Muslim society or nation."

Apostasy in Islam - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[LaBong]

No, but it doesn't make their actions Islamic, or in accordance to Islam.

Offcourse it makes as they claim to be scholars of Islam and accepted by majority of Muslim, I'd rather hear the scholars than 23 years old kid to whom religion doesn't play much role.

 

[53fd]

It is written in plain sight that But if they turn back (from Islam), take (hold of) them and kill them wherever you find them..

You have not busted anything, the words (from Islam), (hold of) are not part of the Quran. It clearly shows this verse has nothing to do with apostasy. Give it up already.

 

[Areesh]

It has nothing to do with apostasy. First of all, the words inside the brackets/parentheses are not the words of the Quran. Secondly, this verse is describing a certain situation, in times of war. Nothing to do with apostasy. As I said, your knowledge of Islam is lacking.

Yup it is for Hypocrites.

Qur'anic Commentary on Sura' An-Nissa' (4):89