Sri Lankan tourists sent back home

[Saradiel]

Dude most of the killings happened post defeat. After the defeat of LTTE. So this excuse does not hold ground.
And even in the case of killings happening during LTTE, only collateral, unintended killings are ok. But in this case, most of the killings were deliberate, calculated, intentional killings knowing fully well they were targeting civilians and not the LTTE. Like the Mullivaikal massacre where a civilian hospital was knowing and deliberately shelled killing more than 50 patients.

U constantly keep saying this but everytime fail to give any evidences. when and where have SLG killed people after the war?
The hospital u refer to was targetted because LTTE targetted at the army from within hospital premises.

Actively work with the nations that are seeking to account Lanka for its war crimes and impose economic sanctions to make it come to our path. They are in our shadow and they need to be made aware that they have to live with us, not the Chinese. It is possible, all it needs is application.

what are the nations that try to account Lanka for war crimes and who talk about sanctions? Please read international news if u are going to talk about international issues. Listening to some TN crap wont help u.

 

[Saradiel]

Adding to the above post, please dont tell me that even if the Tamil fishermen do indeed crossed over into lankan waters that is ground enough for the Lankans to shoot to kill. In that case the foremost duty of GoI is to defend the fishermen from attack and not sit back, relax and point the finger at the fishermen. Sink one or two Lankan CG vessels in self-defence or to send a message that attack on Indian citizens wont be tolerated no matter the issue. For God sakes, just look how China deals with its maritime boundaries and how ruthlessly it enforces that.

Also it is the duty of the GoI to provide GPS assistance and properly demarcate the borders so that fishermen dont cross it.

So u mean SLG should tolerate the TN thieves who steal our fish and destroy our fishermen's nets and constantly lie abt it in TN media. Ur fishermen are one of the biggest rascals i ve ever seen. they rob our fish and threaten our fishermen but go whining playing the victim card.And if SLG shoot their a$$ of why the hell they return in thousands?

And for standing up for our rights our ships should be sunken? And u come up here advising us on our constiutution reforms? Do u really think we care u to two hoots?

 

[Saradiel]

The point again and again I'm making is, the LTTE were not made to pay as much the innocent civilians payed. That is the most important thing that you are disregarding. The majority does not care about the LTTE. We care about the Lankan Tamil civlians wo were killed as a form of revenge, as a form of sending a message, as a symbol of triumphalism.

Just trying to hide and cover up the entire war crimes being the LTTE bogey is not intellectually honest.The issue of war crimes goes far beyond that of LTTE. That is the first thing that needs to be recognized.




Indira Gandhi interfered not because of any love for Tamils but because of Lankan support to Pak during the 71 war and the persisting rumor of Lanka was planning on leasing either the Colombo or Tirikonamalai port to USN. No one asked her to interfere.



And Jayawardena tricked Rajiv into converting a peacekeeping force that should not have taken any sides and instead be a neutral arbiter of peace into an active LTTE-disarming force that exploded on our own face.



And it was the innocent civilians who paid the price for that for that revenge mentality.



The information trickled slowly to civilians like us. If you think that even Indian Govt was in the dark then either you are mis-informed or the Indian govt is so damn incompetent that it does not know what was happening in its own backyard irrespective of the outcry those days in TN.




Who asked for your sympathy for LTTE ? No one gives a jack about the LTTE. The entire focus is on the innocent civilians who were killed.



Then you are not informed about the perceptions of the Sinhalas. They hate India as a whole - Tamil or non-Tamil does not matter. They blame India for all their faults just like any other small country and think China is their messiah. And when people like me tell that , non-Tamils dont believe it, because apparently that would cause their stand to be weakened in an argument with the Tamil. I know how things work in online debates. So I am not going to press this point.




You can understand ? Can you tell me why they granted Pakistan logistical supply in the 71 war when LTTE was not formed or India was not meddling in their country ?




Its pointless because you refuse to see the point. You are convinced that whatever we Tamils say about Lanka must be a lie and the reality is exact opposite. I honestly dont know how I can convince you. The Lankans are already antagonistic of India and have decided who they are going to ally with. Disastorous consequences ? Are you even listening to yourself ? What can that country that is half the size of Tamil Nadu in India's rear do to us ? Are we that impotent to face even them ? But then again, seeing that even Maldives does not listen to India nowadays, Lanka is indeed a powerful country, relatively.

And yes, I would never forgive the Indian state for its callousness in condoning the massacre of my people there just because one terrorist organization killed its prince. It might seem irrelevant, but when a majority of the 72 million population have that feeling, it atleast shows the failure of the country to gain the trust of a significant portion of its population, for what it is worth.




Nepal - another failure of Indian foreign policy. It shows nothing but how shoddy nincompoops are manning the South Block.

One can wish u had the wisdom as much as effort u put into in writing comments.
The civilian deaths were mostly a result of LTTE 's use of human shields. They hid behind women and children to save their sorry a$$es. SLA didnt target civilians intentionally. If they did how come more than 300000 came to SLA side and still live? Your so called love for civilians and not for LTTE is a deception. Civilian deaths were due to LTTE actions so SLA wont be rsponsible for that. If u had love for civilians where was ur conscience when LTTE bombed civilians? when LTTE dragged kids for war? whe LTTE cut the hands of the only two tamil women who voted in 2005 election going against LTTE? where was it? But u helped the terrorists in ur land when they were killing our ppl in pur land. Actually TN and its LTTE supporters should apologise to SL for the destruction LTTE did. But i doubt u'd have such a class.

IPKF had to start war becasue LTTE attacked them. It was not becasue of J'dana. u fool!

About Sinhala ppl hating India, I dont think many sinhala locals give a damn abt India or even TN though some in internet show aggression. I knw many in ur state waste time thinking about what we do in SL but we rarely think abt u.

What you call Lankan waters is not yours to begin with. Your Govt agreed to let our fishermen continue fish in the waters around katcchtheevu in return for the transfer and as usual they went back on their words.

Yes, the fault is with the Lankans for not keeping their word and the GoI for not forcing the Lankans to keep their word and protect the Tamil fishermen. Fault is with both.

BUt ur fishermen are found in and around Trinco, Mannar, Kalpititya which are totally inside the Lankan waters. Ur ppl are NOT allowed to fish in Katchatheevu area. It is u scumbugs who dont keep ur words by coming every day and stealing our wealth.

 

[Saradiel]

Because dear poster, the Sinhala attitude towards India, as Sashan pointed is shaped up by the hard core Theravada antagonism towards Tamils and Hindus developed over the centuries and that is what will reflect in their general policy towards India.

I doubt whether u've even met a sinhalese to talk abt their attitude. Theravada anatogonism? Dont talk aboput things u ve no knowledge of. Actually one of reasons sinhala ppl have a soft point for India is theravada buddhim. Do u really think an avg sinhalese would hate india which houses the holiest shrines of their religion? what are u trying to do here? Sinhalese alwyas were with india until the stupid TNs made things difficult.

For ur infor most of the early part of indian history was written in the caves of Lanka by lankan monks. If not for them u wont have much knowledge on ur country's history. It is the Lankan monks who take care of many buddhist sites in india. And do u really think theravada really breeds hatred against india?

come with something believable.

 

[KS]

@Saradiel

As you might have seen I have not bothered to replied to the Singalese because it's as pointless as writing in air. What you say will be refuted by me and what I say will blindly be refuted by you.

I just came to this thread to reply to a fellow Indian about the issue and the steps that need to be taken by Indian politicians. And I have done that. Not interested in this meaningless convo. So excuse me.

 

[Skyline]

Tamils have rights as individuals not as a race. That is two different things and please see more infor on that before repeating the Qn.

so you have a different SL constitution? lol

What you call Lankan waters is not yours to begin with. Your Govt agreed to let our fishermen continue fish in the waters around katcchtheevu in return for the transfer and as usual they went back on their words.

Yes, the fault is with the Lankans for not keeping their word and the GoI for not forcing the Lankans to keep their word and protect the Tamil fishermen. Fault is with both.

totally wrong. I have read that agreement, posted on few times on PDF. It clearly mentions their is no right to enter SL waters.
Do you want to see that agreement ?

 

[Saradiel]

@Saradiel

As you might have seen I have not bothered to replied to the Singalese because it's as pointless as writing in air. What you say will be refuted by me and what I say will blindly be refuted by you.

I just came to this thread to reply to a fellow Indian about the issue and the steps that need to be taken by Indian politicians. And I have done that. Not interested in this meaningless convo. So excuse me.

u have not bothered to reply cos ur comments are debunked big time.
All the time i have asked u to come with some evidence for the crimes u always scream but all the time u run away like a brainless sob and comeback repeating the same lines. Are u proud of that?
I will simplify to help u,
1. what are the evidences for killing civilians after the war?
2. what are the evidences for genocide?
Is answering these things that much difficult for u.

Also y do u always whitewash the TN thieves in boats who rob our fish destroying the very livelihood of lankan tamil fishermen? Many have come up with evidences for that. But u dont even have the decency to reply them. dont come up playing the victim card for TN fishermen becsue they are the criminals here. Get that into ur pin head and use it more often before openng that pie hole.

The reason u dont argue with us is becaue we know the actual situation in SL unlike North Indians so u cant lie when we are around.

Again u'r ideas were rejected by many indians in the indian forum so thats y u've come here lookin for some admiration

 

[Saradiel]

so you have a different SL constitution? lol

No i do knw the constitution unlike many who are blabbering here either reading tiger propaganda or Nalin desilva pol booruwas' propaganda.
Tamil was made an official language in SL after 1987, 13th amendment. So taking that out would make tamil an unofficial one again.
Adminisration was and still is (to a certian extent) done in sinhala language in N&E. To make a tamil administration in those areas we need a power devolution. This constitution doesnt support that. That is why it doesnt create equality between races. It is good one is considered abt issues in one's own country but be humble enough to look for some education on that.
what tamils need is they cant be a tamil while being a sri Lankan. Sri Lankan identity has been hijacked by sinhala nationalists and gov and many people keep mum on that.

 

[Skyline]

No i do knw the constitution unlike many who are blabbering here either reading tiger propaganda or Nalin desilva pol booruwas' propaganda.
Tamil was made an official language in SL after 1987, 13th amendment. So taking that out would make tamil an unofficial one again.
Adminisration was and still is (to a certian extent) done in sinhala language in N&E. To make a tamil administration in those areas we need a power devolution. This constitution doesnt support that. That is why it doesnt create equality between races. It is good one is considered abt issues in one's own country but be humble enough to look for some education on that.
what tamils need is they cant be a tamil while being a sri Lankan. Sri Lankan identity has been hijacked by sinhala nationalists and gov and many people keep mum on that.

Changing the 13th amendment means not scraping all the features it has, government never has mentioned they are going to change the status of the official languages.

There are Sinhalese and Sinhala speaking people, why we need to convert all the administration to Tamil language? Administration should be happen in both languages (and also in English). You are trying to find answers to specific group forgetting rest of that group and other groups. Don't forget majority of Tamils and Moors living other provinces, so the administration system should be a system focusing on all the Sinhalese/Tamils/Moors/ in entire country!

lol dude, There is no hijacking of the Sri Lankan identity, Sri Lankan identity is based on Sinhalese and their culture mainly. Majority of SL is Sinhalese that's why it gets highlighted. It's natural and common to most of countries.

 

[ChennaiSKing]

This is Tamilistan

What the F..... is that?? "Tamilistan"...

We in Tamil Nadu are more patriotic towards our mother land like any other Indians, and I am proud to be an Indian....

 

[ChennaiSKing]

Silly in the extreme..

Why do you consider this as silly extreme??, this incident have happened after the news of how the Prabakaran young son caught alive by the Lankan solders and murdered cold blooded, the tourists are not killed same way - but sent back in protest in a legitimate manner, I believe in many countries they would have chosen the extreme path and did the same thing to the tourists in protest....

 

[Spring Onion]

Why do you consider this as silly extreme??, this incident have happened after the news of how the Prabakaran young son caught alive by the Lankan solders and murdered cold blooded, the tourists are not killed same way - but sent back in protest in a legitimate manner, I believe in many countries they would have chosen the extreme path and did the same thing to the tourists in protest....


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That is surely uncalled for.

BUT again his father had killed hundreds of such young kids by turning them into suicide bombers as well as recruiting them as child soldiers for terrorism in Sri Lanka.

What the F..... is that?? "Tamilistan"...

We in Tamil Nadu are more patriotic towards our mother land like any other Indians, and I am proud to be an Indian....

Tamilistan is hurting Sri Lankan tamils more than anyone.

Its time tamilistanis should use head instead of emotions.

 

[Luffy 500]

Indians believe in hindu brotherhood but lectures muslims when talking about muslim brotherhood. Even though the matter doesn't concern them at all.They seem to suffer some unbearable pain when the heard the word Ummah, muslim etc.

On topic: SL has every right to protect her territorial integrity that Indians & specially Tamilians had a wet dream to destroy via terrorist LTTE. SL is not a small fry and don't need India much IMO. Just keep a healthy distance from these Indians & they will come crawling to U.

 

[ChennaiSKing]

That is surely uncalled for.

BUT again his father had killed hundreds of such young kids by turning them into suicide bombers as well as recruiting them as child soldiers for terrorism in Sri Lanka.





Tamilistan is hurting Sri Lankan tamils more than anyone.

Its time tamilistanis should use head instead of emotions.

Done mix the topic...hear we are discussing about the incident in which Lankan tourists sent home form India, and I am explaining the reason behind that incident...

By the way as far as Sri Lankan Tamil is concerned they are one of the most enterprising community of the world and they know how to look after them, because they have survived the brutal civil war in Lanka and now their diaspora is spread across the world, you will under stand the difference of this community when you compare them with other war torn areas of the world, if you have time you can read some information about them from the below link...

This is how the Former Singaporean Prime Minister Lee Kuan see the Sri Lankan Tamil

Former Singaporean Prime Minister Lee Kuan Yew once said:
“ In terms of numbers, the Ceylonese Tamil, like the Eurasians, are among the smallest of our various communities. Yet in terms of achievements and contributions to the growth and development of the modern Singapore and Malaysia they have done more than warranted by their numbers. In the early days of Malaysia's and Singapore's history the civil service and the professions were manned by a good number of Ceylonese. Even today the Ceylonese community continues to play a prominent role in these and other fields of civil life.
For example in Singapore, today, the Speaker of Parliament is a Ceylonese. So is our High Commissioner in Great Britain. So is our Foreign Minister. In the Judiciary, in the civil service, in the university, in the medical Service and in the professions they continue to make substantial contributions out of all proportion to their numbers. They are there not because they are members of a minority community but on the basis of merit.
The point is that the Ceylonese are holding their own in open competition with communities far larger than them. They have asked for no special favour or consideration as a minority. What they have asked for – and quite rightly – is that they should be judged on their merits and that they be allowed to compete with all other citizens fairly and without discrimination. This, as far as the Singapore government is concerned, is what is best for all of us. I believe that the future belongs to that society which acknowledges and rewards ability, drive and high performance without regard to race, language or religion.

Sri Lankan Tamil diaspora - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Skyline]

What the F..... is that?? "Tamilistan"...

We in Tamil Nadu are more patriotic towards our mother land like any other Indians, and I am proud to be an Indian....

If you are thinking like that then that's good for your country, but there are TN Tamil members who openly mentioned on PDF they are Tamil first than Indian first.

btw Tamil "nadu" means "country" isn't it?