Sri Lankan tourists sent back home

[KS]

That your argument 65 years later? As I said, the Muslims who stayed chose to, you on the other hand are complaining that you weren't given a choice. Why should your feeling be put on a higher pedestal?

Why not ? After all it was your stated position that all of us started from the same post. Im simply reminding you that it was not the case.

...and if you know it was the LTTE that caused Ranil to lose the election. Tough luck.

Dont know why you keep coming to the LTTE. This is the point I have been alluding to. The concerns of the Lankan tamils goes beyond LTTE. That LTTE cannot be used as a stick to perpetually beat them with and whitewash crimes against them.

Nope. Any intervention would only have helped the LTTE. It was Indian government's stated policy to treat the LTTE as a terrorist organisation and its elimination was always going to be welcomed. Unlike what you say, there was no way to separate the civilians & kill only the LTTE.

First of all, no I dont believe the story that somehow saving the civilian non-combatants would have helped the LTTE. That is a perverse, heartless justification of the killing of the Tamil civilians by treating them as terrorists when in fact they were not.

As for no ways existing, then it was the duty of the so-called sovereign govt to find one. If not, they have lost the moral authority to rule the Tamilians then and there.

For what purpose? What national interest is served (not your sentiments) by doing what you say? Gambling for no reason is not good policy.

Gambling is the only alternative left. We have a 50-50 chance there instead of the 100% hostile, pro-Chinese mindset the current status-quo is breeding.

A 50% chance is anyday better than a 0% chance.

No, we are not but your version seems to be that we are "kow-towing" if we don't beat them on their head with a hammer.

Kow-towing is when we give into their concerns, repeatedly, when they are hostile to our interests and are in bed with our rivals.

Truth is not in the repository of "Tamils" alone.

Well in this case. It is. ASk any random non-Tamil why he supports the Lankan govt and you will invariably receive the "oh these madrasis, always crying Tamil , Tamil. Fack them" answer.

Nothing stopping you from looking at it from outside your box either.

I will, when the issue is emotionally concerned with them. In this case, however, we are the aggrieved party.

 

[Saradiel]

Please explain where it has mentioned Tamils aren't getting equal rights in SL constitution!

Tamils have rights as individuals not as a race. That is two different things and please see more infor on that before repeating the Qn.

 

[Saradiel]

If Prabakaran did gruesome killings, Does it gives a right to SLA to kill his son... He is NOT civilized... So SLA is also?

You didnt answer my first comment. how can u determine the killer of a child by having a pic of a child alive and his dead body? Please be more rational.
whether SLA killed his son is desputed like i said before. what i said was there are more children who died in a far brutal manner who deserve justice before this man's son. There is nothing special in him. It is the PR value.

Though u are in defence blog i think i need to educate u on one thing. War SUCKS big time. there have been horrendous and brutal killings of all the parties in SL's war like in any war in human history and in every part of the world. So u cant decide the fate by looking at some pictures. grow up.

Both the picture are taken from the same camera!

How do u say so? U have only the word of Callum. BUt he has lied before. If they are from the same camera, why dont the creators of the video give the meta data of the pics, to SLG or any independant body?Why?

Evidence, Proof.... There is enough! Without evidence and proofs the US will NOT move a resolution against SL.

Do u atleast know what this resolution is about? I know some stooges in TN are jumping up and down thinking this is the BIG deal. However this resolution has nothing with CH4 video or any war crimes. It is about implementing LLRC which is a gov report.

Anyways still there are many Pakistani's who asked proof that Mumbai attacks are hatched in Pakistan soil... Hope you are of that kind!

How does it relate???

Still NO one can change the past.. Let peace and sense prevail!

Is that what the TN mobs are now working for??

God knows everything.... What happened is happened... Time to move one!

So u accept CH4 evidence u claim are not hard evidence so have to wait for God? Moving on is what SL needs, the exact thing the TN stooges make difficult for SL.

 

[jayron]

It is embarrassing to see our tamil people acting in such uncouth manner. Attacking civilians from Lanka which includes lankan Tamils most of the time makes us look dumb.

 

[Saradiel]

Again I am not an LTTE sympathizer! I am against terrorism in ALL forms! The point is there are lot of unarmed civilians who were killed in the final days of the war... LTTE used them as human shield and SLA killed those unarmed civilians without any remorse!

That happens in war honey. That is what u call collateral damage. The reason for civilian deaths was LTTE. So what do u expect the Lankan gov to do? They cant be punished for something some1 else's did. If SLA killed unarmed civilians how come more than 350,000 came to the army's side?
Are u saying SLA should have gone back cos LTTE was pointing the gun at the civilians' head?

Let me educate u on one thing, this war was there for 30 years in my country. It destroyed our country in many ways. My generation never lived in a war free srilanka until 18/05/2009. So we would have gone for the kill under any circumstance. We will not mind what ever the sorry sobs in TN **** hole say or what ever a pseudo HR orgs say. Take that into ur pin head.

The dead body will NOT come up and tell that it is a LTTE or unarmed civilian! Hope you got the point!

So u mean the bodies belong to civilians? actually there is no point in what u say. If u look at the p

FYI, I met that friend in 90's where Computers is a luxury and there was NO Google! Hope you got it!

Still I doubt your understanding! Sorry I don't buy it... Anyways past is past... Let us concentrate in the present and future!

 

[Saradiel]

Again I am not an LTTE sympathizer! I am against terrorism in ALL forms! The point is there are lot of unarmed civilians who were killed in the final days of the war... LTTE used them as human shield and SLA killed those unarmed civilians without any remorse!

That happens in war honey. That is what u call collateral damage. The reason for civilian deaths was LTTE. So what do u expect the Lankan gov to do? They cant be punished for something some1 else's did. If SLA killed unarmed civilians how come more than 350,000 came to the army's side?
Are u saying SLA should have gone back cos LTTE was pointing the gun at the civilians' head?

Let me educate u on one thing, this war was there for 30 years in my country. It destroyed our country in many ways. My generation never lived in a war free srilanka until 18/05/2009. So we would have gone for the kill under any circumstance. We will not mind what ever the sorry sobs in TN **** hole say or what ever a pseudo HR orgs say. Take that into ur pin head.

The dead body will NOT come up and tell that it is a LTTE or unarmed civilian! Hope you got the point!

So u mean the bodies belong to civilians? I have seen many many pics of LTTE cadres bodies and for anyone associated with SL war can see whose body it is. If u have eyes u will notice men wearing military uniforms and some wearing sarongs. I cant take u close to these bodies to show u. but if u have ever seen LTTE cadres u will know who they are. This is really a stupid question that i didnt even expect from a stupid LTTEer.

FYI, I met that friend in 90's where Computers is a luxury and there was NO Google! Hope you got it!

U now have google and u can check in it. though there was no google then many journalists write about IPKF atrocities in magazines, papers. Are u telling me u even didnt bother to read a news paper? After all how can IPKF atrocities matter me? ask from ur gov.

Still I doubt your understanding! Sorry I don't buy it... Anyways past is past... Let us concentrate in the present and future!

Of course u have to doubt my understanding when u have offered nothing in the table. Yours' are pure imaginations that has no basis. We concentrate on the present n the future it is the stupid TN stooges that deosnt allow us do that. After all why do u use the term "Let us concentrate in the present and future!" when we have nothing to do with YOU.

 

[Saradiel]

Request you to respect me as an individual! We may have difference of opinion still we can have respect for each other.

Ok sorry for calling u a dumba$$, will call u only a dumbo.

Does the Tamilnadu police in some way made the SL Christians to change to Hinduism? Who the hell stopped you from practicing Christianity in SL itself? There are many many many more famous churches in rest of India that those in TN.

Violating ones’ religious rights is not only converting one forcibly to another. Obstructing one to practice his/her religion is a violation of religious rights. Do u really wonder why I call u a dumbo??

So what will happen if someone throws petrol(which is easily available to all) bombs against the buses carrying pilgrims? Can any police force can monitor all the 200+ KM way?

Are TN people in such a primary level. Cant ur police maintain law and order?

This is a pathetic argument! Why the hell you want to visit a place which is very hostile to your country? The very last thing which I want is to visit Pakistan when 'some' of the citizens are very hostile to India.

First of all I don’t want to visit ur state. And I can’t speak for those catholics. As far as I know, these catholics make a vow in their local churches to visit Velankanni. They believe Velankanni church to have powers to heal the deceases. So these catholics come to TN even amidst such hostitlity to fulfill their vows. They dont have another option. And yes it is these poor ill catholics whom ur TN mobs target. Just because they are not ready to take on the big guys, they go after some ill devotees who had come for better health.
After Sep attacks, SL issued a travel advisory on going to TN. Many TN businesses started to feel the heat and Indian gov pressurized the SL gov to lift the travel advisory. So it is not a matter of who wants to visit TN, but a matter of GOI’s and TN gov’s inability to keep the rascals at bay.

Regarding rapes and massacre... No matter what proof which I give.. You will NOT believe.. It happened.. So the US and UN will take care of it! I leave it there!

What are the ‘evidences’ u gave except a pic of dead LTTE cadres? Do u want me to believe these LTTE cadres to be civilians? How can US or UN take care of something for which there is no evidence of. Let me tell u in simple terms, for UN to act, there must be a single incident (ex My Lai case). But there is no such case of civilian killing.

Reg my reading... I usually believe in neutral source.. The source which I gave is a neutral source!

So I have ur words for that? First show the evidence and then talk about source.

 

[Saradiel]

@Rocky25

You would make better use of your time hitting your head on a wall than argue with the singalas. These chaps are so now so blood drunk on power and so complacent of being China's ***** that no matter what we say that will just enter their ear and escape through the glory hole. Ultimately no use.

In indian defence forum I answered all ur 'arguments' but u even failed to make a reply. So do u think coming here without counter arguing me in IDF, would make ur claims look strong? Come with an actual argument which has some basis otherwise ure making ur self look stupid here.

 

[Saradiel]

I agree... but you can say this after you had defeated LTTE on your own, Not from the loaned imported weapons. If you had not requested Indian Navy to avoid LTTE escape through sea!

So you want SL to defeat LTTE with weapons manufactured in SL? u can be an idiot but no need to show it in public forum. Every army can procure weapons from any country they want and we pay for what we buy. There is no shame or wrong in it. Even LTTE had foreign weapons. Even Indian army buy weapons from other countries. Does it make IA a lesser army. U have such a screwed logic, but a funny one.
Indian navy didn’t block LTTE escape though sea. Are u taking these things from ur anus?

Like it or not! Just for re-fueling the Pakistani ship during war... We gave a bloody nightmare which lasted for 30+years... We are giant neighbor... Don't think to mess with us! You won the war because India was on your side. Just India did NOT export weapons... does not make it did nothing to help SL.

So the self processed anti terrorism HR activist is boasting about making the neighboring country a blood bath? What a moronic anti terrorism fellow.
Before u comment on a defence forum learn more abt the topic ur talking abt, pinhead. SL didn’t allow refueling Pakistani ships in SL are u talking about the aircrafts? Honey ships sail in water while aircrafts fly in sky. Also we let them to refuel before the 71 war. As soon as GOI asked SLG not to do so, they stopped it. So ur accusation has no basis.
We won the war with our men and our strategy. If we made the IG to help us that was a part of our strategy too. We DEFEATED ur terrorists learn to live with that.

No one deny that and FYI Rajiv Gandhi killed by the same Tamil tigers! They are ruthless and taught India a bitter lesson not support terrorism!

But u boasted India supporting terrorism in my soil in the previous sentence.

They got the hi-tech weapons from China and they think that they won the war without India's support!

How does it matter from whom we bought weapons? Do u really think what u say help u to argue. It just shows how stupid u re. There is nothing wrong and using weapons from a foreign country. We bought Chinese weapons, exactly the way IA buy American weapons. Got it pinhead?

And they hate India because we helped the LTTE grow... If they hate us so much why the hell they are coming again and again to TN... I don't understand!

I don’t think many in SL hate India. But naturally they should.

 

[Saradiel]

Glad that you accept that it is unfortunate... Wow what an intelligence unit you have to kill a 12 year old boy thinking he will lead the war in future... You all want to suppress not introspect as what went wrong and why LTTE was started in first place?

There is no evidence to support that SLA killed Prbhakaran's son. wont it help u to have a look at these pics instead of repeating the same thing over and over again. whether we introspect or not is our concern. It will not be done according to how a TN stooge thinks.

So you want the Indian army to kill the unarmed old parents of Prabakaran? They didn't because they are A civilized lot!

did u actually read his comment? Can understand the stupidity in most of ur comments.

I am asking a question for which I am not getting an answer... Why did the LTTE started a bloody war when ALL the singalese believe that there was nothing wrong with SL constitution and way of life in SL!

If u actually read my comments u will see i have said in several instances SL should go for a different constitution. And many sinhalese think like that. Anyway not ur concern again!

 

[Saradiel]

If India had as much turned a blind eye, just ignore, what was happening in Lanka, without actively helping these ungrateful singalas by actively cutting off the Tiger arms smuggling routes and provide the SLA killers with arms and ammo, the Tigers would be still kicking these bitches like they were doing for quarter of a century.

They had to grovel and take help from almost all the countries in the world to defeat one single group and today they think themselves as some the modern day badass descendants of Genghis Khan..worthless tools.

I know many in india fantasize how indian army helped SLA to defeat the LTTE. But the help mainly came in diplomatic fronts not in military wise except in very few times. If u want to feel urslef bloated with glory of defeating LTTE, feel free to do so. But it won’t change facts. And Indian navy didnt block LTTE escape routes. We got satellite images mainly from USA.
I have told this to u TN stooges many times. LTTE did war against a ceremonial army with india’s help in early 80s. Still they couldnt win it. The only reason LTTE would thrive for 30 years is, they always went for peacetalks when they were cornered prolonging the war. Had the SLA could finish the war in 1986 before indian intervention we won’t be having this argument here. Indian gov saved LTTE from total anihiliation at the hands of SLA in 1980s. If u want evidence read Dixit’s book.

I agree with you! Jaya and MK are doing it for politics.

What I am telling is Let SL's travel to rest of India for tourism and pilgrimage till things cool down! It is like a Israeli Jew travelling inside a Palestinian territory. Why take such risk and if the police try to avoid any untoward incident against any individual.. Why cry foul!

Heaven sake don't travel to TN till everything is safe!

then why the f*ck GOI requested the SLG to cancel travel advisory to TN if they cant give security?

 

[Saradiel]

Bangalore these kind of incidents are just out of frustration at the Central Govt virtually acting as the sidekicks of the Lankans in India. We have to send home the message and somehow get people to discuss the issue first. These are aimed at that. Actually yesterday was the first time the Lankan Tamil issue was even discussed in the Parliament and I was utterly disappointed at the virtual "we-can-do-nothing" stance from the Congress.

Then y the f*ck ur gove asked SL to lift the travel advisory to TN?

So what is the way forward ? How can we make the Lankan govt accountable to their crimes against humanity and to their own promises they made to get India's help in the war and have now turned away from it ? That should be the crux of the discussion. Small things like these which are a result of the neglect of the bigger issue can take care of themselves.

You cant make the Lankan gov accountable to anything. Only Lankan ppl can do that. Is it that hard for u stooges to understand? Get this straight in to ur pin head. Anything related to SL or SLn gov would not be decided according to the way some stooge in TN think. It is solely the right of Lankan ppl.

Frankly I don't understand your English!



Ha ha ha.... A tongue without a bone can speak anything! The Americans are NOT stupid to believe in your non-sense tales! They had seen much worst things!

seriously i am asking, Do u read the comment before answering to it?

 

[Saradiel]

So for the elimination of Indian Mujaheddin shall we start sending the Muslims perse to gas chambers ? This amounts to the same thing.

And the thing was most of the brutalities occured in the aftermath of the war. After the LTTE had been vanquished. I, for one, dont care about the defeat of LTTE as long as the aspirations of the Tamils are met in a fair and dignified manner within the Lankan constitution itself. Like a political autonomy and stopping the forced cultural homogenization that is going on there.

The Congress party had a personal vendetta against the Tamils and they chose to settle their scores in this way. This is not in any way new to Congress. In 1984 it was Sikhs for Indira, in 2008-2009 it was the Tamils for rajiv.




Behind the scenes pressure. There is no such thing on the Lankans by the GoI. And as much as I would like the GoI to do something, they will not do. Not because of any morals or higher notions, but simply they too were involved in that.

This is for this reason, I hope atleast the West takes a stand, for whatever it is worth.

Has SL sent the tamils to gas chambers? are u talking nonsense? do u take such claims from ur anus?
what are those so called brutalitied that happened after war? If there are any u should be able to give onw. Why has nt UN come up with any such claim. I heard this only from u. U are a remarkable creative but naive guy. U fit to be a good ltte propagandist.

Same story every guy in online forum uses when called out about something in his country he does not know.

Can u pls write it in English? so we can answer

 

[Saradiel]

So if what happens in Lanka is not our concern, then why actively help the Lankan Army in hounding out its own citizens ? Why supply arms, ammo, helis, radars etc to them ? Why task the Indian Navy from busting the arms routes of the Tigers which were only used in Lanka and which is of no concern to us ? If we were not involved why shield Lanka from each and every international commission that was formed in the aftermath to investigate the war crimes ? Why did Lanka even promise to implement the 13 th Amendment in the first place if that was none of our concern.

We bought most of our stuff from china and for whatever we buy, we did pay.
Indian navy didnt bust any LTTE routes.
what are those commissions set up to investigate war crimes in SL?

 

[Saradiel]

That means you got a lot to learn about your own system.... Ok let us put an end to this vicious circle.... It is better to stop the Srilankans in the Airport check itself.... If they tell that they want to visit TN... They can be allowed in rest of India!

then y did ur gov asked SLG to lift travel advisory on TN?
For ur infor, TN has been and is a place where sinhala underworld gangs, drug leaders thrived. So u attack innocent devotees while hiding from the real gansters?

Indian fishermen end up in Lankan waters according to Lankans who dont consider the agreement wherein the waters around Katchatheevu, even while belonging to Lanka, would be open to Indian fishermen. That was the basis around which K.Theevu was transferred to Lanka, unilaterally, I might add without any parliamentary ratification necessary to transfer territory. Get back that.

TN fishermen are found near kalpitiya, Trinco, mannar which are well within the lankan waters, not just around katchatheevu.
Indian fishermen are not allowed to fish around katchatheevu.
Try getting that back