Spreading LGBT To The Muslim World

[Desert Fox]

Now you are conflating two seperate groups and ideas when the opposite is true.

Western slaves in Pakistan are a very different breed as opposed to those that support China. Western slaves are still Western slaves upto this day. They haven't changed their ideology. You could claim that some have converted and jumped ship after US and Western treachery was at full display during WoT era, but that is something entirely different.

Chinese supporters in Pakistan don't worship or brag about ideologies. We simply want a strong economic relationship with China. We never got this relationship going with the Western world because the West had other ideas with Pakistan. It wants to shackle Pakistan to Indian subservience. China is neutral. It respects Pakistan's position on being an independent nation. We, the Chinese supporters in Pakistan absolutely love this stance by China. China is neutral and respects Pakistan's independence claim. Whatever reason China might have for supporting Pakistani is totally irrelevant. What matters is that Chinese and Pakistani interests are fully aligned. We are allies because our interests are fully aligned.

Firstly, China and USA are fully cooperating in the coronavirus scam. When was the last time Chinese actually opposed Americans on anything serious?

Secondly what good is so called alliance with China when we have Pakistani elites allowing the building of Hindu temples (ie, allowing open shirk to spread in the land)?

At this pace we might just become a Hindutva country before you know it.

 

[YeBeWarned]

Have you read their articles? They claim that Adam (AS) was a "mythical being" and that humans actually evolved from ape-like creatures.

If Adam (AS) is a "mythical being" because "no one actually saw him therefore we can substantiate he existed" than what will they say about the other Prophets? Then what will they call the Quran? A book of fairytales?

You should do your research into Yaqeen institute and you will see it for yourself.

You can start here and see all the "wonderful" articles they have published in which they distort and suggestively bring foreign ideas into Islamic thought: https://muslimskeptic.com/2020/04/20/yaqeen-institute-review/

no I must confess that I did not go through their articles, I just saw couple of lectures of Omar Soleiman, which was very to the point and the information he mentioned were easily verified through other sources ..

 

[prashantazazel]

You are an Indian. Your opinions don't matter on this forum. It is in your best interest to not interfere in such topics.

Put me on your ignore list and jog on....

 

[Dalit]

Put me on your ignore list and jog on....

No, I want you to piss off from PDF. I have never understood one thing about you Indians. You hate Pakistan from your inner core. Yet, you have the shame to participate on a Pakistani forum. I would never become a member of an Indian forum. Your ideological hate against Pakistan and obsession to participate in anything Pakistan related don't match up. Weird creatures.

 

[prashantazazel]

No, I want you to piss off from PDF. I have never understood one thing about you Indians. You hate Pakistan from your inner core. Yet, you have the shame to participate on a Pakistani forum. I would never become a member of an Indian forum.

I hate all conservatives. You aren't special.

 

[Dalit]

I hate all conservatives. You aren't special.

I hate your existence. I don't hate you for being a libtard. My beef with you is your existence. On a very microscopic level. On my list you are the worst of the worst. Beating out libtards. Now take a hike Modi worshipper.

 

[Yankee-stani]

Liheralism and Liberals are the greatest hypocrites of our age; they want ro whine and cry about all of the problems of the modern world (climate change, poverty, overpopulation, etc.) but won't own up to the responsibility for creating these problems, or at the least that their pseudo religion of Liberalism is responsible for having created said problems.

Actually what you just said their is a subjective claim.

There cannot be multiple truths, ie "just another idea like all other ideas" as you have claimed. There can only be one truth, ie one way of life that is beneficial to the wellbeing of humanity and that is Islam because unlike other false ways-of-life and worldviews Islam actually provides the basis for a healthy and wholesome life. All other "ideas" are man made and therefore doomed to failure as we can clearly see with Liberalism that has destroyed so much in this world. Therefore, because Islam provides the best and most wholesome way of life it cannot be man-made and therefore Allah (swt) exists and therefore there is a hereafter because our existence has a purpose.

I really think Liberalism as a philosophy or proposed modern day equivalent is being challenged because of one thing the loss of narrative of WW2 again why this war altered the world radically and in the west which propelled countries like the US to basically become a unipolar power yes the Soviets may have won too but they were just a periphery and became dormant after 1991 anyways Liberalism is eating itself the US/West is more unequal than it has ever been demographic wise its barley western but a "cosmopolitan veener" of materialism and capitalism and with Covid 19 its essentially put a kibosh to that but I think there needs to be massive detox which will take decades or century to recover and I think the effects can only be mitigated not fixed

Now you are conflating two seperate groups and ideas when the opposite is true.

Western slaves in Pakistan are a very different breed as opposed to those that support China. Western slaves are still Western slaves upto this day. They haven't changed their ideology. You could claim that some have converted and jumped ship after US and Western treachery was at full display during WoT era, but that is something entirely different.

Chinese supporters in Pakistan don't worship or brag about ideologies. Unlike Western worshippers who want to adopt Western model and apply it in Pakistan, Chinese proponents in Pakistan don't want to import any ideology. We simply want a strong economic relationship with China. That is the main pillar and driver. We never got our relationship going with the Western world because the West had other ideas with Pakistan. It wants to shackle Pakistan to Indian subservience. China is neutral. It respects Pakistan's position on being an independent nation. We, the Chinese supporters in Pakistan absolutely support this stance by China. China is neutral and respects Pakistan's independence claim. Whatever reason China might have for supporting Pakistani independence is totally irrelevant. What matters is that Chinese and Pakistani interests are fully aligned. We are genuine allies because our interests converge.

Like I said I rather ally with "Tankies running the CCP" rather than neo liberal capitalists who want Pride Parades in all the world's capitals again Pakistan is not on good shape to stand on its own

 

[Desert Fox]

The future should be more individual - centric than society-centric.

Lol so then why don't you leave society and live in the wilderness?

 

[Dalit]

Firstly, China and USA are fully cooperating in the coronavirus scam. When was the last time Chinese actually opposed Americans on anything serious?

Secondly what good is so called alliance with China when we have Pakistani elites allowing the building of Hindu temples (ie, allowing open shirk to spread in the land)?

At this pace we might just become a Hindutva country before you know it.

Of course China doesn't oppose the US. Why should it when it can benefit and profit by trading with the US. There is nothing wrong in that. That is exactly the centerpiece of Chinese policy. Don't agitate anyone. Get along and reap benefits.

You are not understanding my point of concern. When you say that Pakistanis are worshipping Mao or China just like they worship the US it is simply wrong.

The group of people in Pakistan that worship the West or its main leader the US are indeed a very different breed. Their motivation goes beyond monetary gain. This group usually has an ideological difference with Pakistan. They are almost the soul brother of Hindustanis in this regard. This is not an exaggeration. You look at all of the anti-state groups in Pakistan today and 9 out 10 times you can be assured that most have ideological grievances. Why are all liberal and anti-state groups always closely aligned with India and the US? Ever wondered? Their hate stems from something very sinister. It is like comparing day with night when comparing a Western lover versus a Chinese supporter in Pakistan.

Now compare this with the ordinary Chinese supporter in Pakistan and you will see that at the heart there is only one motivation. It is mutual benefit and win win. That is it. China and Pakistan don't share a religion. We don't share any similarity in our culture. Yet our interests are aligned and we agree on almost everything.

 

[Desert Fox]

When you say that Pakistanis are worshipping Mao or China just like they worship the US it is simply wrong.

I'm not talking about the ordinary on-the-street Pakistanis (although about the defense gated community lot one can'tsay for certain), I'm talking about the Pakistani elites; the decision makers; the ones for whom Pakistan is a real-estate business that they rent out every now and then yo different countries.

The group of people in Pakistan that worship the West or its main leader the US are indeed a very different breed. Their motivation goes beyond monetary gain. This group usually has an ideological difference with Pakistan. They are almost the soul brother of Hindustanis in this regard. This is not an exaggeration. You look at all of the anti-state groups in Pakistan today and you can 9 out 10 times be assured that most have ideological grievances. Their hate stems from something very sinister.

Now compare this with the ordinary Chinese supporter in Pakistan and you will see that at the heart there is only one motivation. It is mutual benefit and win win. That is it.

Western Liberals and Chinese communists only different in their methods, but not in their end-goal which is exactly the same. Forcing Muslim women to wear short skirts and Muslim men to shave their beards is a common ingredient in both Chinese Communist society and Western Liberal society. Only difference being that Chinese forcefully do it while Westerners do it through social and cultural engineering (Feminism to take women out of the Hijab, LGBTQ to emasculate/efeminize men).

Both worldviews don't want a cohesive and wholesome Muslim identity to exist as it will rival their own.

As for the Pakistani elites, they are allowing Hinduism and other shirk religions to openly promote and expand themselves in the name of "religious tolerance" and "humanist values" for favorable treatment from both the West and China. Neither the Chinese nor the westerners care two hoots if Pakistan loses its Islamic identity. For them it is only geopolitics and economic rivalry. If Pakistan today became majority hindu (hypothetically) and a giant statue of ganesh was erected in the middle of Islamabad, Chinese wouldn't give two sh!ts as long as their economic and geopolitical interests are safeguarded.

In fact, the Chinese would welcome Pakistan losing a strong robust Islamic identity as this would enable them to have one less Islamically assertive country on their border.

Man I dont know why you still hate Muslim Brotherhood until now.......I dont believe MB promote any LGBT movement. MB is part of Islamist movement.

Then you don't know anything about what their representatives in the West are doing; allowing homosexuality (LGBTQ) & Feminism to be normalized within the minds of the Muslim youth, thus corrupting entire generations of young Muslim minds.

 

[Dalit]

I'm not talking about the ordinary on-the-street Pakistanis (although about the defense gated community lot one can'tsay for certain), I'm talking about the Pakistani elites; the decision makers; the ones for whom Pakistan is a real-estate business that they rent out every now and then yo different countries.

Western Liberals and Chinese communists only different in their methods, but not in their one-goal which is exactly the same. Forcing Muslim women to wear short skirts and Muslim men to shave their beards is a common ingredient in both Chinese Communist society and Western Liberal society. Only difference being that Chinese forcefully do it while Westerners do it through social and cultural engineering (Feminism to take women out of the Hijab, LGBTQ to emasculate/efeminize men).

Both worldviews don't want a cohesive and wholesome Muslim identity to exist as it will rival their own.

As for the Pakistani elites, they are allowing Hinduism and other shirk religions to openly promote and expand themselves in the name of "religious tolerance" and "humanist values". Neither the Chinese nor the westerners care two hoots if Pakistan loses its Islamic identity. For them it is only geopolitics and economic rivalry. If Pakistan today became majority hindu (hypothetically) and a giant statue of ganesh was erected in the middle of Islamabad, Chinese wouldn't give two sh!ts as long as their economic and geopolitical interests are safeguarded.

In fact, the Chinese would welcome Pakistan losing a strong robust Islamic identity as this would enable them to have one less Islamically assertive country on their border.

Even our elites are now finally understanding that if you have to side with a power, it might as well be a neutral power. A power that respects your sovereignty and doesn't force you to be a slave of Hindustan. Whether some elites are profiting in the process is of little concern to me. I look at the bigger picture. I know for a fact that after Chinese investment has taken effect on the ground Pakistan is going to benefit. It won't be like the Western investment which resulted in extremism and Afghan Jihad in Pakistan.

Let's not judge China. China has genuine reasons to protect its hardwork and investment. We can disagree on the methods used, but something needs to be done to mainstream and integrate the rest of China. In this process you have to filter through disingenuous Western criticism aimed at China.

 

[Desert Fox]

A power that respects your sovereignty and doesn't force you to be a slave of Hindustan.

We are already a cultural slave to every nation, including Hindustan, except our own Islamic identity.

Today we erect Hindu temples, tomorrow we just might erect a statue of ganesh in Islamabad, it's not far fetched to believe that will happen at the current pace we are going.

Even our elites are now understanding that if you have to side with a power, it might as well be a neutral power. A power that respects your sovereignty and doesn't force you to be a slave of Hindustan. Whether some elites are profiting in the process is of little concern to me. I look at the bigger picture. I know for a fact that after Chinese investment has taken effect on the ground Pakistan is going to benefit. It won't be like the Western investment which resulted in extremism and Afghan Jihad.

Let's not judge China. China has genuine reasons to protect its hardwork and investment. We can disagree on the methods used, but something needs to be done to mainstream and integrate the rest of China. In this process you have to filter through Western disingenuous criticism towards China.

So you will choose to ignore the cultural changes that these very corrupt elites are allowing to spread in this country simply because now you all of a sudden think they're doing the "right thing"? The same elites you yourself claimed that allowed Afghan Jihad and terrorism but now you trust them enough to do other things unquestioningly? This is wishful thinking.

Daniel H is probably the only mainstream Islamic scholar who is pushing back they are others but like I said many Muslims in the US "view" from a Left/Right or Republican/Democrat lense they see everything Democrat and Liberal good but dont understand that both the mainstream left and right are just puppets of the US establishment class

Daniel Haqiqatjou is neither "mainstream" nor a "scholar" (he himself neither claims to be so).

By "mainstream" we are talking about mainstream American/Western "Islamic" celebrity Imams who get promotions from secular Liberal orientalist institutions.

DH is definitely a student of knowledge who has the backing of many traditional Islamic scholars who are calling out the celebrity imams for their acceptance and even advocacy for kufr ideas. Despite this, DH and his team has been doing a great job MashaAllah.

It is sad that it has come to this state of affairs but these events were foretold by the Prophet (SAW).

 

[TNT]

This was in the last "Aurat March" look at the Gay Pride flag @ 01:12

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@313ghazi @Aspen @Areesh @Dr. Strangelove @jamal18[/QUOTE]

Thata tje reality of aurat march. They want to dance openly in streets n wear what they want. They have no shame. Look at the men out there, these are beghairat, brought up on haram money.

In UK ive had discussions n they called me homophobic and narrow monded, yet they had no answer for my queries.
They consider homosexuality as normal and not something as a disease or disorder, they say well he just gets attracted to otjer men, he cant do anything abt it. Well so then pedophiles give same excuse, would u legalise them too?? Pedophilia is considered a disorder then why not homosexuality??

 

[Desert Fox]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1280530383172505601

@Desert Fox this is why I respect folks from the "Alt Right" more so than the Mainstream Left tho the only Leftists I can respect and admire are the old school Tankies

Exactly brother.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

We have a few proponents of LGTB on this forum. I won't mention them by name, but they tend to get very aggressive once you touch their sensitive LGTB nerve.

Let us discuss the topic freely, if they have a problem, simply avoid confrontation. I have very strong thoughts about this, I would hate it to be derailed.

Yaqeen Institute has Omar Soleman , he is a good speaker and scholar to my knowledge ..

He is the flagbearer of Muslim Brotherhood USA. Why do you think they all went after Nouman Ali Khan, and pressured various Imams to back them, after Nouman Ali Khan sued him for plagiarizing his videos?

He is heavily involved with Linda Sarsour and her women's march, which has heavy LGBT presence. He himself is pro-LGBT.

Muslim Brotherhood change their aqeedah based on changing ground realities, as I said earlier.

They have pressured Muslims in US to vote for their candidates and have co-opted our community, leading us to ruin and atheism. You should see some of the antics of their children, you would be shocked.

Daniel Haqiqatjou is neither "mainstream" nor a "scholar" (he himself neither claims to be so).

By "mainstream" we are talking about mainstream American/Western "Islamic" celebrity Imams who get promotions from secular Liberal orientalist institutions.

DH is definitely a student of knowledge who has the backing of many traditional Islamic scholars who are calling out the celebrity imams for their acceptance and even advocacy for kufr ideas. Despite this, DH and his team has been doing a great job MashaAllah.

It is sad that it has come to this state of affairs but these events were foretold by the Prophet (SAW).

He has his views that I disagree with at times, but for a layman Muslim, he has done phenomenal work exposing the kind of hypocrisy in these champions of Muslim causes.

He reminds me of some of the religious talk shows in Pakistan like Zamana Gawa He.