South Korea compares Japan's 'rising sun' flag to swastika as Olympic row deepens

[beijingwalker]

So were British actions in Indian subcontinent , Africa and all the colonies .So should we ban union jack which was a symbol of British imperialism?
Just because allies won the war, their atrocities were whitewashed.

Some kind of law and order should exist in the international community, if every country just goes by might is right, there's no point to have UN now. The world now is running based on the world order set up after WWII.

And it's not smart for Japan to make south Korea an enemy country.

 

[Goku]

Some kind of law and order should exist in the international community, if every country just goes by might is right, there's no point to have UN now. The world now is running based on the world order set up after WWII.

And it's not smart for Japan to make south Korea an enemy country.

UN is useless ,anyways. Might is right will always prevail though. Self interest trumps everything

 

[mike2000 is back]

So were British actions in Indian subcontinent , Africa and all the colonies .So should we ban union jack which was a symbol of British imperialism?
Just because allies won the war, their atrocities were whitewashed.

Nope, that's different in regards to the fact that the US is defacto a Pacific/Asian power both physically and Geo politically and as such should they should have made sure to fully denazify Japan after the war, so that the region could move on and US allies could work with each other and be closer to each other. However, Britain has long lost its empire and most of its power that came with it, and we are not part of the region anymore . It doesn't help that Japan's former colonies and countries they invaded were their own neighbours as well and had similar culture/race/links with them. So this only made the repercussions for Japan's action even more serious for these countries. So it's always more traumatic when someone that's similar to you and your permanent neighbour invades your house and commit unlawful actions. You will always be more affected (especially if he hasn't fully recognised his actions) since he will always be your neighbour and you will always see him/deal with him. Compared to a far away person who isn't anywhere close to you in any aspect and you don't have to see or deal with as a permanent neighbour all the time.
It's for this reason that U.K ,France western powers took Nazi Germany actions in Europe far more seriously and acted on them to make sure it doesn't repeat itself again, compared to Japan's actions in Asia which we never really cared about(even though we fought a bloody war with Japan in Asia as well) and barley talk about since they are far away from us and not related to us in any way. Similarly Asian countries care more about Japan's actions in Asia during the war than they do with Germany's actions in Europe.
Same actions different repercussions.

 

[beijingwalker]

Nope, that's different in regards to the fact that the US is defacto a Pacific/Asian power both physically and Geo politically and as such should they should have made sure to fully denazify Japan after the war, so that the region could move on and US allies could work with each other and be closer to each other. However, Britain has long lost its empire and most of its power that came with it, and we are not part of the region anymore . It doesn't help that Japan's former colonies and countries they invaded were their own neighbours as well and had similar culture/race/links with them. So this only made the repercussions for Japan's action even more serious for these countries. So it's always more traumatic when someone that's similar to you and your permanent neighbour invades your house and commit unlawful actions. You will always be more affected (especially if he hasn't fully recognised his actions) since he will always be your neighbour and you will always see him/deal with him. Compared to a far away person who isn't anywhere close to you in any aspect and you don't have to see or deal with as a permanent neighbour all the time.
It's for this reason that U.K ,France western powers took Nazi Germany actions in Europe far more seriously and acted on them to make sure it doesn't repeat itself again, compared to Japan's actions in Asia which we never really cared about(even though we fought a bloody war with Japan in Asia as well) and barley talk about since they are far away from us and not related to us in any way. Similarly Asian countries care more about Japan's actions in Asia during the war than they do with Germany's actions in Europe.
Same actions different repercussions.

If Germany uses Nazi flag in the Olympic Games and tries to justify their invasion of European nations during WWII， What European countries will response?

 

[Suika]

To be fair, Japan's action in Asia during WWII wasn't any better than Nazi Germany(some claim it was even worse). From what I have red and documentaries I have watched Japan's invasion of Asia was very brutal to the local civilian population and it was sometimes backed at the very top of the military hierarchy. I think this is why people there had such a negative view of Japan even after the war.
I think the US made a mistake by not denazifying Japan the way we did with Nazi Germany. This would have put an end to all this issues once and for all and led to a more United East Asia similar to Europe today. This issue was never fully resolved and the US just turned a blind eye, due to the fact that they had some interests in some research(human experiments Japan conducted on Asian captors and other Japanese military techs) and findings they could profit from and they needed Japan against the emerging Soviet Union as well. Since they feared communism taking hold of Japan as well. So in this regard I understand US actions back then.
However, due to this, I think this issue will keep dividing east Asian countries for a long time to come. And it doesn't serves US interests today at all. Since from my own experience in Korea I could see that Koreans in general are even more anti Japan than China. So go figure. This means the possibility of Korea leaning towards China is far more likely in the event of a conflict between Japan and China. Luckily the threat of nuclear crazy fat Kim's N.Korea still stops South Korea from going fully hostile against Japan.
All this goes contrary to US interest in Asia . So I think past US actions has come back against them on this regard.

I don't know where to start.

Some quick points to consider.. about East Asia unity, do you know wht there is a north and south korea today? The US naively drew a line through half the peninsula in Aug/Sept 1945 and gave the northern half to the Soviets. So they got filled with communists, setting the stage for the Korean War. Far more Koreans would die in that war then the whole 35 years when it was part of Japan.

So you spent some time in Korea. Ok great, I have visited it too and enjoyed my time going through the Seoul shopping streets late at night, walking around in Gyeongbokgung castle, or seeing the tanks or Korean wooden warship at the Korean war memorial. But.. remember that South Korea has been a dictatorship until 1988. That means much of the population was under state control education. It is not a scholastically honest place. Some reading homework...
https://fsi.stanford.edu/publications/divided_memories_history_textbooks_and_the_wars_in_asia
https://www.nippon.com/en/in-depth/...s-history-textbooks-and-the-wars-in-asia.html
https://parkyuha.org/archives/4368

As for unit 731... I'm sure none of the documentaries that you have watched mentioned anything in the following.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unethical_human_experimentation_in_the_United_States

I don't think you understand the holocaust and genocide in general... Japan carried out none of it. There were massacres and fair to call them war crimes. But the atom bombs were war crimes to be the same definition. But no genocide.

Have you consider the atrocities that the Nationalists Chinese have carried out on other Chinese? Consier the following quote:
The military was formed through bloody and inhumane conscription campaigns. These are described by Rudolph Rummel as:

This was a deadly affair in which men were kidnapped for the army, rounded up indiscriminately by press-gangs or army units among those on the roads or in the towns and villages, or otherwise gathered together. Many men, some the very young and old, were killed resisting or trying to escape. Once collected, they would be roped or chained together and marched, with little food or water, long distances to camp. They often died or were killed along the way, sometimes less than 50 percent reaching camp alive. Then recruit camp was no better, with hospitals resembling Nazi concentration camps like Buchenwald.[45]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Revolutionary_Army

Or how about CKS's the river flooding, killing 500,000 or whatever ridiculous number of Chinese
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1938_Yellow_River_flood

Bear in mind the Japanese weren't committed so many of the killing in Japanese controlled areas. Japanese controlled areas had Chinese manned armies even, with guns. If the Japanese were really that bad, then why didn't these Chinese not rebel? Maybe the Japanese were tough on control but more or less reasonable? Imagine that? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collaborationist_Chinese_Army
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wang_Jingwei_regime

And finally, one more point, after Japan was defeated in WW2, had the Japanese Army been allowed to remain in China under the command of CKS, then that Imperial Japanese Army could have been utilized against the Chinese communists. Afterall, in all honesty, CKS hated communism more than even Imperial Japan. And the Imperial Japanese hated communism more than CKS. Even though that huge Imperial Japanese Army in mainland China had to disband because of conditional surrender, some few Japanese still voluntarily fought for the Nationalists Chinese after WW2.
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/what-is-your-impression-of-china.638471/page-3#post-11818850

Enjoy your homework.

 

[beijingwalker]

I don't know where to start.

Some quick points to consider.. about East Asia unity, do you know wht there is a north and south korea today? The US naively drew a line through half the peninsula in Aug/Sept 1945 and gave the northern half to the Soviets. So they got filled with communists, setting the stage for the Korean War. Far more Koreans would die in that war then the whole 35 years when it was part of Japan.

So you spent some time in Korea. Ok great, I have visited it too and enjoyed my time going through the Seoul shopping streets late at night, walking around in Gyeongbokgung castle, or seeing the tanks or Korean wooden warship at the Korean war memorial. But.. remember that South Korea has been a dictatorship until 1988. That means much of the population was under state control education. It is not a scholastically honest place. Some reading homework...
https://fsi.stanford.edu/publications/divided_memories_history_textbooks_and_the_wars_in_asia
https://www.nippon.com/en/in-depth/...s-history-textbooks-and-the-wars-in-asia.html
https://parkyuha.org/archives/4368

As for unit 731... I'm sure none of the documentaries that you have watched mentioned anything in the following.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unethical_human_experimentation_in_the_United_States

I don't think you understand the holocaust and genocide in general... Japan carried out none of it. There were massacres and fair to call them war crimes. But the atom bombs were war crimes to be the same definition. But no genocide.

Have you consider the atrocities that the Nationalists Chinese have carried out on other Chinese? Consier the following quote:
The military was formed through bloody and inhumane conscription campaigns. These are described by Rudolph Rummel as:

This was a deadly affair in which men were kidnapped for the army, rounded up indiscriminately by press-gangs or army units among those on the roads or in the towns and villages, or otherwise gathered together. Many men, some the very young and old, were killed resisting or trying to escape. Once collected, they would be roped or chained together and marched, with little food or water, long distances to camp. They often died or were killed along the way, sometimes less than 50 percent reaching camp alive. Then recruit camp was no better, with hospitals resembling Nazi concentration camps like Buchenwald.[45]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Revolutionary_Army

Or how about CKS's the river flooding, killing 500,000 or whatever ridiculous number of Chinese
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1938_Yellow_River_flood

Bear in mind the Japanese weren't committed so many of the killing in Japanese controlled areas. Japanese controlled areas had Chinese manned armies even, with guns. If the Japanese were really that bad, then why didn't these Chinese not rebel? Maybe the Japanese were tough on control but more or less reasonable? Imagine that? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collaborationist_Chinese_Army
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wang_Jingwei_regime

And finally, one more point, after Japan was defeated in WW2, had the Japanese Army been allowed to remain in China under the command of CKS, then that Imperial Japanese Army could have been utilized against the Chinese communists. Afterall, in all honesty, CKS hated communism more than even Imperial Japan. And the Imperial Japanese hated communism more than CKS. Even though that huge Imperial Japanese Army in mainland China had to disband because of conditional surrender, some few Japanese still voluntarily fought for the Nationalists Chinese after WW2.
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/what-is-your-impression-of-china.638471/page-3#post-11818850

Enjoy your homework.

They didn't hate you for nothing, are you suggesting that in the future if some foreign powers took Japan, as long as they won't kill too much and show some restraint in killing, raping and pillaging, it will be ok?

 

[Suika]

They didn't hate you for nothing, are you suggesting that in the future if some foreign powers took Japan, as long as they won't kill too much and show some restraint in killing, raping and pillaging, it will be ok?

Desperate troll.

 

[+4vsgorillas-Apebane]

Japan has been playing the victim all along.

Its a manipulative strategy used by narcissistic people. The term for this behaviour is called 'Gas lighting' where the perpetrator blames the victim and turns the truth upside down.

If you come across people like that in a relationship, GTFO right away!
In the case of Japan, its gas lighting at the national level.

Unless they get their lying and manipulative attitude fixed, China and Korea will distance themselves even further.

Desperate troll.

WOOF WOOF WOOF!

AROOOOOOOOOOOOO!

GRWWWWWWWWWWWW!

Im trying to speak your language....

 

[beijingwalker]

Desperate troll.

You are trying to justify Japan's role in WWII which long had international consensus, basically you are challenging the whole post war international laws and orders and the legitimacy of the United Nations which was established by the allied countries and I just asked you some simple questions and you started calling me a troll, you forget this is my thread, not yours.

 

[+4vsgorillas-Apebane]

You are trying to justify Japan's role in WWII which long had international consensus, basically you are challenging the whole post war international laws and orders and the legitimacy of the United Nations which was established by the allied countries and I just asked you some simple questions and you started calling me a troll, you forget this is my thread, not yours.

Japan can never lead Asia, the one time in their history that they were hegemon they rampaged and brought misery to the whole Asian continent.

Better for them to be a subservient dog.

"But most fortunate of all are those who are not yet born. For they have not seen all the evil that is done under the sun."

Under the Japanese sun that is.

 

[Suika]

Japan has been playing the victim all along.

Its a manipulative strategy used by narcissistic people. The term for this behaviour is called 'Gas lighting' where the perpetrator blames the victim and turns the truth upside down.

If you come across people like that in a relationship, GTFO right away!
In the case of Japan, its gas lighting at the national level.

Unless they get their lying and manipulative attitude fixed, China and Korea will distance themselves even further.



WOOF WOOF WOOF!

AROOOOOOOOOOOOO!

GRWWWWWWWWWWWW!

Im trying to speak your language....

Saying things that I said does not mean that I'm also saying that Japan should retract the many apology statements it had made for the great amount of loss and destruction caused by Japanese soldiers.

But the main point I am putting fourth is that it went both ways.

Ultimately war is hell. From a historical perspective, the other party members are as much at fault for the loss of life and destruction.

You are trying to justify Japan's role in WWII which long had international consensus, basically you are challenging the whole post war international laws and orders and the legitimacy of the United Nations which was established by the allied countries and I just asked you some simple questions and you started calling me a troll, you forget this is my thread, not yours.

Stop assuming what my objective might be and just read the straight facts of history in totality.

Japan can never lead Asia, the one time in their history that they were hegemon they rampaged and brought misery to the whole Asian continent.

Better for them to be a subservient dog.

"But most fortunate of all are those who are not yet born. For they have not seen all the evil that is done under the sun."

Under the Japanese sun that is.

Bad at history, all of it over your head. Or rather, not willing to learn.

So much for the "Japan is of China" argument now

 

[+4vsgorillas-Apebane]

Saying things that I said does not mean that I'm also saying that Japan should retract the many apology statements it had made for the great amount of loss and destruction caused by Japanese soldiers.

But the main point I am putting fourth is that it went both ways.

Ultimately war is hell. From a historical perspective, the other party members are as much at fault for the loss of life and destruction.



Stop assuming what my objective might be and just read the straight facts of history in totality.

Nonsense.

Ive personally dealt with gas lighting fcukers before, they always frame a problem as someone else's fault.

Go to your neighbours house, murder the whole family, rape the little girls, bayonet babies, spray chemicals and biological agents all over and then blame them for smoking pot.

fcuking narcissists with fake apologies.

Saying things that I said does not mean that I'm also saying that Japan should retract the many apology statements it had made for the great amount of loss and destruction caused by Japanese soldiers.

But the main point I am putting fourth is that it went both ways.

Ultimately war is hell. From a historical perspective, the other party members are as much at fault for the loss of life and destruction.



Stop assuming what my objective might be and just read the straight facts of history in totality.



Bad at history, all of it over your head. Or rather, not willing to learn.

So much for the "Japan is of China" argument now

Im bad at learning fake Japanese victim history.

Fcuking pathetic.

 

[Suika]

Nonsense.

Ive personally dealt with gas lighting fcukers before, they always frame a problem as someone else's fault.

Go to your neighbours house, murder the whole family, rape the little girls, bayonet babies, spray chemicals and biological agents all over and then blame them for smoking pot.

fcuking narcissists with fake apologies.



Im bad at learning fake Japanese victim history.

Fcuking pathetic.

What's pathetic is that you're acting like a sheltered kid that has never read anything about war except the second Sino-Japanese War.

These youtube videos that grab people off the street can freely edit and select the people that give the opinion that they are looking for. Also, because of the political correct nature of talking about war, no one that actual knows about it is going to start talking about it on the street with someone they don't know.

Grow up and stop being obedient in avoiding taking an objective approach in understanding the history and being emotionally fixated on selective specific examples barbarity that is found in most wars.

 

[+4vsgorillas-Apebane]

What's pathetic is that you're acting like a sheltered kid that has never read anything about war except the second Sino-Japanese War.

These youtube videos that grab people off the straight can freely edit and select the people that give the opinion that they are looking for. Also, because of the political correct nature of talking about war, no one that actual knows about it is going to start talking about it on the street with someone they don't know.

Grow up and stop being obedient in avoiding taking an objective approach in understanding the history and being emotionally fixated on selective specific examples barbarity that is found in most wars.

HAHAHAHAHAHA

Objective?

You are the uneducated one presuming that Japanese atrocities only pertain to the second world war. Look up the Imjin war. Look up the invasion of the Ryukus. Atrocities after atrocities, its the Japanese way.

All talk about honor, bushido (bullshito?) and apologies but when it comes to actions, Japan fail again and again.

Words are cheap, action speaks louder.

Your about as educated as those in the video.

 

[Suika]

HAHAHAHAHAHA

Objective?

You are the uneducated one presuming that Japanese atrocities only pertain to the second world war. Look up the Imjin war. Look up the invasion of the Ryukus. Atrocities after atrocities, its the Japanese way.

All talk about honor, bushido (bullshito?) and apologies but when it comes to actions, Japan fail again and again.

Words are cheap, action speaks louder.

Your about as educated as those in the video.

Imjin War? So you're reaching back over 400 years ago now.

Do us all a favor and quit world history