This debate is really two poles
@Secur and
@araz gentlemen let us respect that you both have differences of opinion and they are not small. So both of you read up on the issue in detail from different sources and make up your opinion and continue this privately in PM.
As for the topic at hand, every scholar has started from the basics. They read the Quran and then Sunnah and Hadith, after which they read tafsir and fiqh. And they all write that if any of what we say contradicts any of the above, please consider the Quran and hadith correct.
Not all knowledge is available to every scholar in the older times, and the understanding is also dependant on what has experienced in their life time. Thus it is best for us to study the life of the Prophet(Peace be upon him) before we move on to other books, as well as reading the Tafsir and the life of the Sahaba, so that we may understand things better.
As far as the relationship between man and woman is concerned, it is clearly laid out in the Quran, abundant Hadith, and to argue or debate them is not really the place of ours.
There is a difference between critical thinking and questioning the orders of the Prophet(peace be upon him) and sometimes in our debates we cross many lines that we should not. Discussing religion is not meant for this forum, because here there is no differentiation for those who are more learned and those who think themselves learned. There are many forums that cater to religious debates and they have scholars and people well versed in the intricate things many here believe themselves to be knowledgeable in.
As far as cursing or ridiculing any person,
@Zarvan and others, you do not know their life story, especially after they are dead. Even
IF they did wrong, we do not know if they did not spend their old age asking forgiveness for it, and we do not know their intentions on what they did write. So do not curse anyone, other then Shaytan, and do not curse those who are dead because if they have sinned they will be punished, and if they have not sinned they will be rewarded, but for cursing another Muslim, there is only punishment.
Rather then delete the post, you need to ask him what he means. Even I agree that the tableeghis have been too nice, and too peaceful. Now before you label someone
@syedali73 ask what they mean, because there is a role for the scholar in Islam. For example, when children in Thar are dying, it is the responsibility of the scholar of Islam to ask the Government why are they so apathetic to the condition rather then just ask for donations (which is a good thing but not the only responsibility). There is a middle ground between picking up arms and not saying anything and that is questioning the leader and asking him why is this happening in the country. We forget that Islam is more then just fulfilling the rights of Allah the Almighty, but also fulfilling the right of the people, and the scholars have to play a role in highlighting the mistakes that are causing death and misery to the people without being political about it.
@Secur read the following and tell me what is so gut wrenchingly violent about what he said
and a bit out of the topic, but remember that while debating Islamic topics, when we take the name of our Prophet (peace be upon him) we should send darood.
It was narrated from Husayn ibn ‘Ali ibn Abi Taalib that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “The miser is the one in whose presence I am mentioned and he does not send blessings upon me.” Narrated by al-Tirmidhi (3546) and classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in
Irwa’ al-Ghaleel (1/35).
It was narrated from Abu Hurayrah that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “May his nose be rubbed in the dust, the one in whose presence I am mentioned and he does not send blessings upon me.” Narrated by al-Tirmidhi (3545) and classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in
Saheeh al-Tirmidhi.